Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[acannxr]

I remembered wrong. Somehow i thought he left the ufc right after the Boetch fight. IIl correct my OP.

 

[sabretitan]

Gsp over fitch. Fitch was on a crazy win streak. Mw division was pretty thin

 

[gono btw]

Gsp over fitch. Fitch was on a crazy win streak. Mw division was pretty thin

That´s a myth, tho... The 8th fight of that streak was a shameless hobbery...

 

[ExitLUPin]

Aldo vs Edgar is the greatest win in any of the GOAT’s resumes

Nah Fedor over prime Nog is better. Aldo over Frankie was incredible tho and up there

 

[ExitLUPin]

Gsp over fitch. Fitch was on a crazy win streak. Mw division was pretty thin

Fitch was clearly better than Okami by any measure and then beat him later in the same stage of their careers at the end

but he wasnt on a "crazy" win streak. He had alot of wins sure but alot of cans or journeymen on that streak

Alves and Diego were the only top flight WWs he beat on that streak

otherwise its cans or run of the mill journeymen like Carneiro, Burkman, Larson. Luigi was considered one of Fitchs better wins back then and we found out that Luigi wasnt really a good fighter just beat a washed up Dave Menne

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

Gsps greatest flaw was his inability to finish average and pedestrian fighters in his prime. Silva is also much older than georges and still continues to fight to this day while georges has been retired for a decade aside from a cherry picked title fight against a lucky one eyed cyclops 40 year old champ.

Notice the loss to the 1 eyed cyclops. Bisping's easiest win of his career.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Okami had a a lot of size on guys he could clinch against the cage, nobody outsized Silva at MW though.

Fitch was always number 2 and although boring, he was the top WW for a long time. His striking was very rudimentary all he had was the grappling. GSP had a lot of physicality and was super hard to take down. I favored him there too.


I dont see one more than the other except Silva has the finish, but has Silva has waaay more finishes than GSP if we going by that.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

Gonna have to go with Silva. Okami became scared shitless to throw any strikes after getting cracked lol.

 

[Jonesisinnocent]

GSP over Fitch easily. No offense to Okami, but Fitch was a major force for many, many years. He won something like 15 or 16 fights ina row before GSP thoroughly dominated him, and then won another five in a row.

And hell, Fitch beat Okami.

/thread

 

[cade187]

I asked the question in a 100% unbiased way and stated only facts, no opinion in it.

And you obviously didnt watch GSP vs Fitch if you don't refer it as a destruction.

Choosing which facts to present is bias. If you were trying to be unbiased you would just ask which win was better and not cherry pick which facts to include. You’re trying to sway people with the way you presented the question.

Also, “destruction” ends with a finish. You didn’t destroy something if it’s still going when the final bell ends. That’s why I said dominated, which is accurate and fair.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

GSP over Fitch. Fitch was #2 before and a few years after GSP while Okami got knocked out by Tim Boetsch

Fitch had a draw with BJ after getting 10-8ed in the first round.....

Okami was beating up Tim and was up 2 clear rounds then got caught with a monster punch and got KOed in the 3rd.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Fitch is a different class of opponent to Okami

 

[tehMoose]

Fitch

 

[91 seconds]

I'll mostly always pick Silva over Gsp but that absolute savage beatdown of Fitch is one George fight I do remember even though I'm not the biggest fan of constant decision wins. I'll have to give this one to Gsp.

 

[Fioretti]

Gsp over fitch. Fitch was on a crazy win streak. Mw division was pretty thin

Fitch was on a 16-fight win streak over 5 years. Only 8 of those were in the UFC, out of the 8 that weren't: 3 were in some obscure one night tournament in Mexico against nobodies, the other 5 were all against unknown fighters except Shonie Carter, and that was a MW fight. Out of his 8 UFC victories: the only ranked guy he fought was Diego, and most people thought he should've lost that split decision. He ended up getting his title shot after beating Chris Wilson, who was making his UFC debut. His streak is nowhere near as impressive as people make it out to be, despite it being a fairly high number. Kinda like Fedor and Fulton padding their records vs unranked and unknown fighters. Okami was 10-2 in the UFC, losing only to former champ Rich Franklin and two-time title contender Chael Sonnen, while beating quite a few ranked fighters along the way. Okami was actually in 3 title eliminators throughout his UFC career at that point, winning two of them, and had his initial title shot cancelled due to injury. He then had to work his way back to another title eliminator over 2 years and 5 fights.

The MW division being thin is complete bullshit. Okami finally got his actual title shot after winning his second title eliminator against former UFC title contender and multi-time Pancrase Champion Nate Marquardt, while Fitch earned his shot over Chris fucking Wilson making his promotional debut. Which division seems thinner? Be real, homies.

 

[pankrat]

Fitch was clearly better than Okami by any measure and then beat him later in the same stage of their careers at the end

but he wasnt on a "crazy" win streak. He had alot of wins sure but alot of cans or journeymen on that streak

Alves and Diego were the only top flight WWs he beat on that streak

otherwise its cans or run of the mill journeymen like Carneiro, Burkman, Larson. Luigi was considered one of Fitchs better wins back then and we found out that Luigi wasnt really a good fighter just beat a washed up Dave Menne

Okami's performances vs Marquardt, Shields and Franklin, all of them in their prime, are already as legit if not more than the fights you mentioned. You need to watch the fights though, the impression you get from reading fight finder is another story.

Apart from proving he belonged vs top5 competition in those fights, Okami beat - and dominated - plenty of fringe top10 ranked.

Anyways those guys you mentioned in Fitch's win column weren't cans. They weren't world-beaters but no cans neither. A good sign to identify shertards is when they throw around the word "can" very loosely and when they jusge fighters based on W/L colum....you match both Im afraid :S

 

[ExitLUPin]

Okami's performances vs Marquardt, Shields and Franklin, all of them in their prime, are already as legit if not more than the fights you mentioned. You need to watch the fights though, the impression you get from reading fight finder is another story.

Apart from proving he belonged vs top5 competition in those fights, Okami beat - and dominated - plenty of fringe top10 ranked.

Anyways those guys you mentioned in Fitch's win column weren't cans. They weren't world-beaters but no cans neither. A good sign to identify shertards is when they throw around the word "can" very loosely and when they jusge fighters based on W/L colum....you match both Im afraid :S

The Shields fight was definitely close. Nate was a great win and the Rich performance was good for the 3rd round Yushin took. The first 2 rounds were dull and Rich edged it but not much happened. Crowd was even booing IIRC. You dont really get much points in losses unless the decision was controversial or could be argued for you in which case the Rich fight wasnt

Yushin was a perenial top 10 MW for a long time peaking at top 5 but Fitch was the #2 guy for a really long time and top 3 at worst for many years depending on how you saw Kos since they wouldnt fight each other

None of the fighters I mentioned there were called cans. I called them journeymen which they were. Reading comprehension is important :S

Cans Fitch beat on in that streak were the likes of Jorge Ortiz, Gabe Garcia, Mike Seal etc.

 

[Fioretti]

The Shields fight was definitely close. Nate was a great win and the Rich performance was good for the 3rd round Yushin took. The first 2 rounds were dull and Rich edged it but not much happened. Crowd was even booing IIRC. You dont really get much points in losses unless the decision was controversial or could be argued for you in which case the Rich fight wasnt

Yushin was a perenial top 10 MW for a long time peaking at top 5 but Fitch was the #2 guy for a really long time and top 3 at worst for many years depending on how you saw Kos since they wouldnt fight each other

None of the fighters I mentioned there were called cans. I called them journeymen which they were. Reading comprehension is important :S

Cans Fitch beat on in that streak were the likes of Jorge Ortiz, Gabe Garcia, Mike Seal etc.

The fact that Fitch was ranked so highly for so long, without having any top 5 wins, is just a testament to how shallow WW actually was in comparison to MW at the time. Okami winning title eliminators and still having to claw his way back to a title shot is a testament of how shallow MW wasn't.

 

[pankrat]

The Shields fight was definitely close. Nate was a great win and the Rich performance was good for the 3rd round Yushin took. The first 2 rounds were dull and Rich edged it but not much happened. Crowd was even booing IIRC. You dont really get much points in losses unless the decision was controversial or could be argued for you in which case the Rich fight wasnt

Yushin was a perenial top 10 MW for a long time peaking at top 5 but Fitch was the #2 guy for a really long time and top 3 at worst for many years depending on how you saw Kos since they wouldnt fight each other

None of the fighters I mentioned there were called cans. I called them journeymen which they were. Reading comprehension is important :S

Cans Fitch beat on in that streak were the likes of Jorge Ortiz, Gabe Garcia, Mike Seal etc.

The Shields fight was highly controversial not just close, even the American people in attendance booed the decision in favour of the American figther. There is no question who won the fight as a whole, and the only rounds you could give to Shields are very controversial.

On the other hand, Fitch's win over Joslin is not controversial but a straight up robbery.

You said the only top wins in Fitch's run were Diego by split and Alves. The rest are "journeymen or cans". Which I disagree.
But to say that and then claiming Fitch was in a different league than Okami is stupid, false and dishonest.

If Okami and Fitch were matched up in their prime none of them would be a big favourite over the other, not at 170, let alone at 185 where Okami would most likely be favoured.

Yushin was a perenial top 10 MW for a long time peaking at top 5 but Fitch was the #2 guy for a really long time and top 3 at worst for many years depending on how you saw Kos since they wouldnt fight each other
.

Yushin was more than just "a perennial top10". The bias is pretty obvious at this point:

- In 2008 he actually earned a title shot (missed by injury) so was considered #2 MW by UFC
- In 2009, he was ranked #2 by sherdog among other outlets. Not just top 10 but #2:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131
- In 2010, he won a tittle eliminator and was widely ranked #3 or #2 MW.
- In 2011 he fought for the tittle still ranked #2/3
- In 2013, he was #3 coming into the Jacare fight
Not to mention he got robbed of a top5 spot in 2006 with the Shields majority decision.

More like perennialy around top3 rather than just top10. Cut the bias and the BS.

 

[ExitLUPin]

The Shields fight was highly controversial not just close, even the American people in attendance booed the decision in favour of the American figther. There is no question who won the fight as a whole, and the only rounds you could give to Shields are very controversial.

Rumble on the Rock wasn't PRIDE rules so your opinion on "who won the fight as a whole" means literally nothing. Shields rightfully won the first 2 rounds. He didn't do much but got TDs even tho Yushin got back up. But Yushin was mainly on the defensive the first 2 rounds. You don't win rounds in combat sports mostly defending. Shields has won many rounds and eeked out close decisions that way.

You said the only top wins in Fitch's run were Diego by split and Alves. The rest are "journeymen or cans". Which I disagree.
But to say that and then claiming Fitch was in a different league than Okami is stupid, false and dishonest.

I said Fitch was clearly better not in a different league. Learn to read. A different league from these 2 would've been the perennial champions and threat to win the title type of fighters which neither were due to holes in their game and having a generally meat and potatoes game with little dynamism.

Yushin was more than just "a perennial top10". The bias is pretty obvious at this point:

- In 2008 he actually earned a title shot (missed by injury) so was considered #2 MW by UFC

Earning a title shot doesn't always mean you were considered #2 specially by the UFC who didn't even have an official ranking system. He was not #2 in 08. Rich most of the year was the clear #2 in UFC and that's not even counting MWs like Hendo, Misaki, Filho etc since some of the best MWs weren't in the UFC

- In 2009, he was ranked #2 by sherdog among other outlets. Not just top 10 but #2:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131

Sherdog had him there but there were plenty of publications that didn't

https://insidepulse.com/2009/07/26/ufc-total-rankings-july-2009/

https://rankingmma.com/world-mma-middleweight-rankings-2009/



This is a good timeline so he did hover around top 10, peaking #2 with months at top 5. And the latter when Strikeforce fighters were underrated by publications before they came into the UFC and rekt almost all of the top ranked UFC MWs (including Jacare starching Okami) to the point it wasn't long until most of the MW rankings consisted of Strikeforce fighters

- In 2010, he won a tittle eliminator and was widely ranked #3 or #2 MW.
- In 2011 he fought for the tittle still ranked #2/3
- In 2013, he was #3 coming into the Jacare fight

See above. LOL @ hovering or #2 for Okami as if that was possible in 2010/11. Sonnen was easily the #2 MW in the UFC in that span and dominated Okami as well as the guy who Okami got the title shot for beating

Not to mention he got robbed of a top5 spot in 2006 with the Shields majority decision.

More like perennialy around the top3 rather than just top10. Cut the bias and the BS.

Nope perennially top 10, peaking top 5. 2011 is the only year you could make the case he was perennially top 3 for and then he got KTFO by Tim Boetsch early in 2012. No one is biased against Okami here if anything your strong feelings towards him like you're related is the bias. He was a good never great fighter.