Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Franklin U.]

Going to plead the 5th on this one.
However at days end, again :
Andy> Georges

 

[Noraaq]

Okamis resume leading up to the fight with Silva was much stronger. He was also a more versatile fighter with a path to beat Silva via wrestling.

Fitch was extremely one dimensional and his one dimension is heavily countered by GSPs strength, TDD.

Taking those into account and adding that Silva finished Okami, he gets my vote.

 

[pankrat]

Okami had a a lot of size on guys he could clinch against the cage, nobody outsized Silva at MW though.

I mostly agree with your post but this is false, friend. Okami was not a big MW and Silva wasnt the biggest neither. Size is not just lenght.

- Okami fought almost half of his career at WW, before and after UFC
- He weighted in a 202lbs with his clothes on for a LHW bout despite it was in short notice.
- Fought last two years at WW in ONE, where severe dehydration pre-fight isnt allowed.

That's not a big MW.
Former opponents of Okami as Franklin, Muñoz, Boetsch, Branch, McDonald, Linhares, Starnes....were naturally bigger men and did cut more weight than him to make 185.
If Yushin often managed to push dudes vs the fence is because he excelled at forcing the clinch off exchanges and he was a very strong, skillled grappler. It was not a matter of size advantage.

Let alone compared with truly big MWs as Rockhold, Costa or Cannonier, these guys are all-around way bigger dudes than Okami except maybe the size of the head lol (Okami had a disproportionately big head, I'd even say it played a role on the missconception about his size)

Anyways, which fights did Okami won by pushing his opponent against the fence?? The closest would be vs striking specialists Swick and Belcher (who is bigger than Okami)....2 out of 13 wins at MW in UFC. Doesnt seem like a pattern.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Wow, the Don Quixote of this forum, fighting his imaginary enemies.

Calm down, fattie.You got the wrong guy and you're embarassing yourself.

Then, notsosure? I know you got banned not long ago. Don't try to fool me.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Choosing which facts to present is bias. If you were trying to be unbiased you would just ask which win was better and not cherry pick which facts to include. You’re trying to sway people with the way you presented the question.

Also, “destruction” ends with a finish. You didn’t destroy something if it’s still going when the final bell ends. That’s why I said dominated, which is accurate and fair.

I stated the same facts for both fights, the streak before and after their fights against the goat. Let me know exactly where its biased.

 

[ThunderStruck]

You lie, like the uneducated nerd rat you are, I correct you in your lies for the 16th time, then you cry desperately.
The story of your life.

LOL nice comeback. How many months was Okami top 2 MW? Fitch was top 2 WW for 32 out of 42 months. Im still waiting.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Okami's performances vs Marquardt, Shields and Franklin, all of them in their prime, are already as legit if not more than the fights you mentioned. You need to watch the fights though, the impression you get from reading fight finder is another story.

Apart from proving he belonged vs top5 competition in those fights, Okami beat - and dominated - plenty of fringe top10 ranked.

Anyways those guys you mentioned in Fitch's win column weren't cans. They weren't world-beaters but no cans neither. A good sign to identify shertards is when they throw around the word "can" very loosely and when they jusge fighters based on W/L colum....you match both Im afraid :S

2 losses and a UD.

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

fitch, as much as i love okami he came into that fight terrified already. okami was on a 3 fight streak and fitch was on a 16 fight streak.


GSP GOAT.

 

[ThunderStruck]

The fact that Fitch was ranked so highly for so long, without having any top 5 wins, is just a testament to how shallow WW actually was in comparison to MW at the time. Okami winning title eliminators and still having to claw his way back to a title shot is a testament of how shallow MW wasn't.

Alves and Diego were top 5. Paulo Thiago too.

 

[countswagula]

Fitch was a much bigger win at that point in time

 

[ThunderStruck]

Keep trying until you reach the 50th lie. You have already 38 debunked in this thread. What a bitch.

Lol still clinging to calling me a liar. The irony of you saying their rankings were the same. Show me when Okami was ranked #2 MW for 32 out of 42 months.

 

[ThunderStruck]

For a forum rat who only check records in fight finder yep. Not for the rest of pundits and mma community. I don't expect you to understand it, already told you Im genuinely convinced you are kinda autist

Shields beat Okami. It was a draw at best. Someone debunked your shitty lie already. "Kicked shields' ass" LOLLLLL. And im the liar here right?

 

[GoofMaster93]

Gsps greatest flaw was his inability to finish average and pedestrian fighters in his prime. Silva is also much older than georges and still continues to fight to this day while georges has been retired for a decade aside from a cherry picked title fight against a lucky one eyed cyclops 40 year old champ.

Don't forget bro, GSP is also the natty GOAT who recently condemned all athletes who use peds

 

[ThunderStruck]

I mostly agree with your post but this is false, friend. Okami was not a big MW and Silva wasnt the biggest neither. Size is not just lenght.

- Okami fought almost half of his career at WW, before and after UFC
- He weighted in a 202lbs with his clothes on for a LHW bout despite it was in short notice.
- Fought last two years at WW in ONE, where severe dehydration pre-fight isnt allowed.

That's not a big MW.
Former opponents of Okami as Franklin, Muñoz, Boetsch, Branch, McDonald, Linhares, Starnes....were naturally bigger men and did cut more weight than him to make 185.
If Yushin often managed to push dudes vs the fence is because he excelled at forcing the clinch off exchanges and he was a very strong, skillled grappler. It was not a matter of size advantage.

Let alone compared with truly big MWs as Rockhold, Costa or Cannonier, these guys are all-around way bigger dudes than Okami except maybe the size of the head lol (Okami had a disproportionately big head, I'd even say it played a role on the missconception about his size)

Anyways, which fights did Okami won by pushing his opponent against the fence?? The closest would be vs striking specialists Swick and Belcher (who is bigger than Okami)....2 out of 13 wins at MW in UFC. Doesnt seem like a pattern.

Arguing that Okami was a WW doesn't help Silva's case you know?

 

[fortheo]

Fitch was the better win, but okami was a legit contender too.

 

[MCS]

Fitch was seen as a legit threat, great contender. One of the best of that time. Okami not on that very elite contender level. The story around that was the DQ in their first. Revenge. And that Okami finally got his shot after being so long in the UFC. And having a good record, being able to wrestle.

But as a contender he wasn't seen on the same level as Fitch. Not dominant enough with his wrestling or overall game. Also lost to Sonnen and Franklin. Fitch was on a 16-fight win streak and undefeated in the UFC. Beat Alves twice, and Alves was highly regarded, a serious threat to GSP.

Yet, there was criticism of Fitch's competition in those 16 fights. Posters listed Burkman, Diego and Alves as his only real good opponents. While MW was seen as weak division. By a large majority WW was seen as the better div. But also, there was criticism of WW contenders being on p4p lists above LW's and LHW's of back then, as the contenders in the UFC of back then were only really Fitch, Alves and Kos. And Fitch and Kos were AKA teammates, so wouldn't face each other, or Swick.

You're asking this board's opinion. This is my recollection of those. What was thought at the time of those fights is more important than what is thought today.

Other part is performance. GSP went to decisions all the time as champ, got flak for them, but in the Fitch fight he did damage. Knocked him down hard, mouthpiece off, and also outwrestled him. Anderson's performance was good, way better on the feet than almost all of his opposition. Coupled with the intimidation that froze opponents. And Okami's fear. I'd rate Anderson's showings against Vitor and Hendo as better. Peak. Vs Okami things that stood out to me were ring generalship and a power jab. But, he was getting old, and the 1st Sonnen fight was on minds of people watching that, that the real threat was looming. Of course he pulled that rematch off, but that and Bonnar was it, then. GSP was in prime form.

 

[ThunderStruck]

You lied regarding Okami's size, weight, rankings, performances... all you could lie about, you lied about it

And you was replied with facts and exposed as a liar regarding every single one of those.

I know you know it's true. I also know you are a coward and your only response is running forward and cry. It's normal.

I didn't lie about Okami's size and weight, you did. And you also lied about his rankings. And you have yet to show me that he was ranked #2 as long as Fitch did. Still waiting.

 

[ThunderStruck]

The commentators and the American people in attendance saw Okami as the superior fighter and thought he deserved the W. That's what matters to me when talking about caliber of opponent.

Whatever a tremendous nerd whose only knowledge comes from reading fight finder says 15 years later... You know, keep lying and crying dude

How do you score that fight?

First round cleat 10-9 shields. Second round was the closest round. 10-9 shields or Okami or 10-10. Third round clear 10-9 Okami. In no way it can be scored a 10-8 at that time. 10-8s were so rare and required an absolute ass kicking, which didn't happen in that round.

I think it was a draw. Ass kicking? You're lying and you know it.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Actual performance wise I'd say Okami was clearly much worse, he really folded mentally in their like Forrest did and offered very little.

Fitch maybe you could argue was a bad look for the division though given that many had him the second best guy of the era and GSP just utterly dominated him, question really how good was the division if a guy with that skill set can get so far?

 

[Oceanmachine]

GSP over Fitch he destroyed him ans his face surely broke tons of facial bones

Fitch also stayed dominant for a long time


Okami was idk never that threatning it seemed