Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[pankrat]

I hear what you're saying, but sometimes completely dominating another elite fighter for 5 rounds is more impressive than a single KO (even though that's more exciting)

sometimes yeah, but not when that KO is preceeded by outclassing your opponent, not like a KO coming off a exchange or something even remotely flukey. In a rematch, nobody doubts Silva would do similar shit.

It makes Okami look bad until you look back to him fighting legitimate top5 competition in Franklin, Marquardt or Shields, all of them in their prime, and see that none of them didnt look good at all or even got a dominant round on Yushin.

None of GSP's tittle challengers would be a massive favourite over Okami - not if they were matched up at 170, let alone at 185 -.some would be favoured, some others don't, but not like we are talking about different leagues

 

[D'z]

Easy, Fitch. And it's not even close.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

sometimes yeah, but not when that KO is preceeded by outclassing your opponent, not like a KO coming off a exchange or something even remotely flukey. In a rematch, nobody doubts Silva would do similar shit.

It makes Okami looks bad until you look back to him fighting legitimate top5 competition in Franklin, Marquardt or Shields, all of them in their prime, and see that none of them didnt look good at all or even get even a dominant round on Yushin.

None of GSP's tittle challengers would be a massive favourite over Okami - not if they were matched up at 170, let alone at 185 -.some would be favoured, some others don't, but not like we are talking about different leagues and definitely not in Fitch's comparison to justify a dec is a superior performance than outclassing and finishing your opponent in a fight.

Funnily enough I watched that Silva v Okami fight a few weeks ago and it was pretty much a shut out as well, so yeah fair enough.

 

[Poatan Power]

Anderson actually finished Okami. Fitch got beat down for 5 rounds, but finishes are what is impressive and matters

not true at all. not that Silva's finishes weren't gasmworthy, but GSP's dominance of Fitch was unworldly. Fitch had nothing for GSP, as if he was a beginner.

 

[pankrat]

Tell me where im biased plz.

21-3 run
Okami was top 5 ranked, and #2 MW much longer than you say by many media

 

[ThunderStruck]

sometimes yeah, but not when that KO is preceeded by outclassing your opponent, not like a KO coming off a exchange or something even remotely flukey. In a rematch, nobody doubts Silva would do similar shit.

It makes Okami look bad until you look back to him fighting legitimate top5 competition in Franklin, Marquardt or Shields, all of them in their prime, and see that none of them didnt look good at all or even got a dominant round on Yushin.

None of GSP's tittle challengers would be a massive favourite over Okami - not if they were matched up at 170, let alone at 185 -.some would be favoured, some others don't, but not like we are talking about different leagues and definitely not in Fitch's comparison to justify a dec is a superior performance than outclassing and finishing your opponent in a fight.

Silva was -600 against Okami, despite the fact that Silva was just 1 min away from being completely dominated by Chael in his very previous fight. Considering that Okami is a grappler, one would think that odds would be better after such a bad performance by Silva, but nope. Thats cause Okami really never was that good and everyone one knew it, including the oddsmakers. Guys that knows mma more than you.

 

[ThunderStruck]

21-3 run
Okami was top 5 ranked, and #2 MW much longer than you say by many media

Prove it then. I never talked about top 5, i talked about top 2. And he was only ranked top 2 for a couple months, and he didnt even deserve it. Only because Chael lost to Silva, being 1 min away from snatching the belt off him. Chael should have never lost his number 2 spot after that fight. Especially not to Okami on a 3 win streak including a split.

Oh and about the "21-3 run" why do you decide when the run ends and begins? Thats ridiculous. What run exactlty? If you're going to go 24 fights back, why not go all the way to the beginning? Ridiculous.

 

[acannxr]

Im having a debate with @pankrat and we would like to know sherdog's opinion.

Please mods add a poll.

Which was the best win :

1. Silva's win against Okami (tko round 2)
Okami was ranked number 2 MW in some medias at the time, stayed at that spot for about 2-3 months. He was on a 3 fights win streak at the time. He also lost his very next fight against Boetsh before moving to the minor leagues.

2. GSP's win against Fitch (UD 50-43, 50-44, 50-43)
Fitch was ranked number 2 WW in all mma medias at the time and stayed at that spot for around 3 years. He was also ranked top 10 p4p in some mma medias. He was on a 16 fights winning streak at the time. After the fight, he went 5-0-1 before losing to Hendricks.

Fitch is the better win, but you biasedly framed your post (Okami went 3-1 after the Boetch fight before getting cut, he didn't go "to the minor leagues" immediately after that fight).

 

[youguysneverfought]

Beating up somebody leading to a 50-43 scorecard is pretty damn impressive.

GSP over Fitch.

In what world is a decision win more impressive? There are no little kids dreaming of becoming MMA stars thinking like this. "Wow, i want to make a carrer winning by decisions!" No movies where the protagonist is a big decision winner who never finishes.The only people insecure enough to pretend it is like that are GSP fanboys who think they can't apreciate both Silva and GSP at the same time.

You get a decision if you CAN"T finish, either by not having the ability or not being willing to risk yourself. Every fighter if given the choice would like to finish their fights, just watch your local gym, the diference when someone comes back from competition saying they got a fnish from someone who got a decision.The place i train even gives small gifts when an ammy gets a finish.

 

[pankrat]

Prove it then. I never talked about top 5, i talked about top 2. And he was only ranked top 2 for a couple months, and he didnt even deserve it. Only because Chael lost to Silva, being 1 min away from snatching the belt off him. Chael should have never lost his number 2 spot after that fight. Especially not to Okami on a 3 win streak including a split.
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Regarding Okami's standing in the MW division.

In 2008 he actually earned a title shot so was considered #1 MW by UFC
In 2009, listen to the reporter:

In 2010, he won a tittle eliminator to grab the #1 contender spot
In 2011, he fought for the tittle.
In 2013, he was #3 coming into the Jacare fight.

In 2006 he got robbed of the top5 spot he held at WW in a highly controversial decision in favour of Shields who got booed by the American audience in attendance.

Regarding the split you talk about, once again textbook fight finder rat. The split is one the reasons of the Cecil Peoples meme. You again embarrassing yourself. Slapped right and left lol

 

[ThunderStruck]

-600 which is a testament of Silva's greatness. That's why he was #1 in p4p rankings if you didnt notice.

Now that you go that route, none of GSP's tittle challengers would be a massive favourite over Okami - not if they were matched up at 170, let alone at 185 -.some would be favoured, some others don't, but not like we are talking about different leagues and definitely not in Fitch's comparison



Those guys are the same that, despite Okami coming off a KO loss, 4 KO Ls in his last 8, moving down a division for the first time in 8 years...

...those same guys you say that know more than you and me have Okami as the favourite over Fitch lol, despite being Fitch in his prefered weight class and looking as ripped as ever in his late 30s and actually a proven juicer.

https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998

-600 is a testament of Okami's averageness. Any good grappler would have better odds than that after seeing Silva vs Sonnen 1.

"Now that you go that route, none of GSP's tittle challengers would be a massive favourite over Okami" Thats purely speculation my son. I talk rankings and odds, actual facts. you talk fantasy. Thats the difference between you and me.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Regarding Okami's standing in the MW division.

In 2008 he actually earned a title shot so was considered #1 MW by UFC
In 2009, listen to the reporter:

In 2010, he won a tittle eliminator to grab the #1 contender spot
In 2011, he fought for the tittle.
In 2013, he was #3 coming into the Jacare fight.

In 2006 he got robbed of the #3 spot he held at WW in a highly controversial decision in favour of Shields who got booed by the American audience in attendance.

Regarding the split you talk about, once againtextbook fight finder rat. The split is one the reasons of the Cecil Peoples meme. You again embarrassing yourself. Slapped right and left lol

Show me the rankings that had him number 2 MW for more than a couple months. Im waiting.

 

[Death By Samson]

GSP over Fitch

 

[ThunderStruck]

Fitch is the better win, but you biasedly framed your post (Okami went 3-1 after the Boetch fight before getting cut, he didn't go "to the minor leagues" immediately after that fight).

I remembered wrong. Somehow i thought he left the ufc right after the Boetch fight. IIl correct my OP.

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

I think the way Anderson drained every ounce of confidence out of Okami with one strike was more impressive, personally.

 

[gono btw]

Tell me where im biased plz.

This is some truly heavy biased shit, tho...

When it suits you, you say:

1. Silva's win against Okami (tko round 2)
before moving to the minor leagues.

...forgettin´that half of that Fitch winnin´streak happened in those so-called 'minor leagues'...

2. GSP's win against Fitch (UD 50-43, 50-44, 50-43)
He was on a 16 fights winning streak at the time. .

Meanwhile... as usual...& jus´like about the Okami vs Shields fight that absolutely no No Rush ´tard watched, Fitch had a shamelessly controversial fight against Jeff Joslin in the middle of that run, @ Freedom Fight in 2005...
A SD that should have been scored a UD for Jeff... or a TKO since Fitch himself called (!) a timeout in the 3rd Rd...
Hobbery.

 

[ThunderStruck]

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Those guys are the same that, despite Okami coming off a KO loss, 4 KO Ls in his last 8, moving down a division for the first time in 8 years...

Yup thats how washed up Fitch was, and he still won against your boy. Embarrassing right?

 

[AbominableJoman]

GSP clearly. Any other answer is just dishonest…

 

[ThunderStruck]

This is some truly heavy biased shit, tho...

When it suits you, you say:



...forgettin´that half of that Fitch winnin´streak happened in those so-called 'minor leagues'...

YEah like Okami never had his fair share of split decisions right? Shields fight should have been a draw. That was still a Shields that didn't hit his prime yet.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Stop crying, sis. The posts let it very clear.
I dont just bring you "a ranking", I give it to you from the GOAT's reporter mouth lol

But here you have what you ask, no other than the holly sherdog rankings:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131

Okami #2 MW.

Tha'ts in 2009.

In 2010-2011 he won a title eliminator over Marquardt, who is as good if not better than anybody in Fitch's win column in UFC.

Your cheeks are burning. Stop and go play with you buddy @dildos that's how low you have fallen

Still not ranked number 2 for more than a couple months. Prove me with 2 rankings back to back. Fitch was ranked number 2 for years.