Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Deleted member 504083]

Please elaborate.

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[Fioretti]

tap

Is normal.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

Who's a fan of who is irrelevant to me, I'm more interested in knowing why you think Fitch was a better fighter? So much so that decisioning Fitch is "easily" better than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. Is it just your perception of where each fighter was, or is there something to back it up? If you analyze each fighters' career and accomplishments at the time of their title fight, Okami edges Fitch in overall quality. The issue here is one guy saying Fitch was "so much better" that decisioning him is somehow more significant than KO'ing Okami. I've listed tons of facts, numbers, insight, debunked false claims, and there is literally nothing that suggests Fitch was even remotely better, let alone so many leagues ahead that it overshadows a flawless 7 minute KO of Okami. They're very comparable fighters, but a slight edge to Okami in overall "quality of opposition". Factor in finish vs decision, and there's no case for Fitch being the better victory or performance.

That's why I asked if you could provide any insight. I'm at a loss for anybody trying to make a case for Fitch. All they can attribute to this is his win streak in which he only acquired 1 top 10 win. Nothing else.

Fitches record before and after the fight are both better... Okami fought better guys... and lost multiple times while Fitch was like 13 and 1 in the ufc fighting whoever they had come forward. Even after the UFC Fitch had a better career including beating Okami.... idk why this matters so much to you. But even the eye test Fitch was better than Okami.... Fitch was boring and noone liked him... but he is and was a better win on a resume than Okami.... I still love the spider and he made Okami look bad in that fight... but it isn't like GSP vs Fitch was some close fight. Fitch got humiliated ny GSP. Anyways.

 

[Fioretti]

Fitches record before and after the fight are both better... Okami fought better guys... and lost multiple times while Fitch was like 13 and 1 in the ufc fighting whoever they had come forward. Even after the UFC Fitch had a better career including beating Okami.... idk why this matters so much to you. But even the eye test Fitch was better than Okami.... Fitch was boring and noone liked him... but he is and was a better win on a resume than Okami.... I still love the spider and he made Okami look bad in that fight... but it isn't like GSP vs Fitch was some close fight. Fitch got humiliated ny GSP. Anyways.

Their win percentage and finishing percentage were almost identical going into their title fights, despite Okami having 10 more professional fights. When Fitch caught up to him in total fights (32), Okami's record was better, and both win and finishing percentages were better. Both guys were past it when they fought, and their careers after the UFC aren't much to talk about at all. Okami had 3 fights at the age of 38, and was clearly past it. Fitch had one fight per year from ages 39-42, and pissed hot somewhere right before or during that time period. Fitch has 3 top 10 wins throughout his entire career (not just UFC), one of them being flash-in-the-pan Paulo Thiago - who was only ranked for about 4-5 months, Okami has over double the top 10 wins. That's all irrelevant anyway, what matters here is where they were when their title fights happened.

Okami had 4 top 10 wins going into his fight with Silva, Fitch had 1 going into his fight with GSP. Okami went 10-2 in the UFC, beat 3 top 10 fighters (2 were top 5), and only lost to top 5 fighters. Fitch was 8-0 and only faced 1 top 10 guy. It's a lot easier to go 13-1 when you're not facing ranked guys, and it doesn't necessarily make you a "better" win on a resume than a guy who has more experience and better wins. I just don't see the logic there. 10-2 while facing 5 top 10 guys > 8-0 while facing 1.

GSP absolutely beat the shit out of Fitch, for sure. One of my favorite performances from GSP without a finish, but it still isn't somehow better or more significant than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. Especially when you factor in that Fitch had been finished in 100% of his losses, while Okami had only been finished in 20% of his losses, despite having more total losses. It was harder to finish Okami than it was to finish Fitch, and GSP couldn't pull it off, yet Andy did. No contest here, broheem. If Fitch was 20-0 with 17 finishes and had 6 or 7 top 10 wins, then the answer would undoubtedly be Fitch. They're very comparable fighters, very similar caliber of opponent, with the slight edge going towards Okami.

 

[315MMAFighter]

Georges, by far. American here btw

 

[Here's Johnny!]

Their win percentage and finishing percentage were almost identical going into their title fights, despite Okami having 10 more professional fights. When Fitch caught up to him in total fights (32), Okami's record was better, and both win and finishing percentages were better. Both guys were past it when they fought, and their careers after the UFC aren't much to talk about at all. Okami had 3 fights at the age of 38, and was clearly past it. Fitch had one fight per year from ages 39-42, and pissed hot somewhere right before or during that time period. Fitch has 3 top 10 wins throughout his entire career (not just UFC), one of them being flash-in-the-pan Paulo Thiago - who was only ranked for about 4-5 months, Okami has over double the top 10 wins. That's all irrelevant anyway, what matters here is where they were when their title fights happened.

Okami had 4 top 10 wins going into his fight with Silva, Fitch had 1 going into his fight with GSP. . Okami went 10-2 in the UFC, beat 3 top 10 fighters (2 were top 5), and only lost to top 5 fighters. Fitch was 8-0 and only faced 1 top 10 guy. It's a lot easier to go 13-1 when you're not facing ranked guys, and it doesn't necessarily make you a "better" win on a resume than a guy who has more experience and better wins. I just don't see the logic there. 10-2 while facing 5 top 10 guys > 8-0 while facing 1.

GSP absolutely beat the shit out of Fitch, for sure. One of my favorite performances from GSP without a finish, but it still isn't somehow better or more significant than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. Especially when you factor in the facts that Fitch had been finished in 100% of his losses, and Okami had only been finished in 20% of his losses, despite having more total losses. It was harder to finish Okami than it was to finish Fitch, and GSP couldn't pull it off, yet Andy did. No contest here, broheem. If Fitch was 20-0 with 17 finishes and had 6 or 7 top 10 wins, then the answer would undoubtedly be Fitch. They're very comparable fighters, very similar caliber of opponent, with the slight edge going towards Okami.

I guess man... I just think Fitch was the better fighter based on what I watched. That said you care a lot more than I do... like I said... I think Silva has the better wins ... I just don't think Okami was his best win... Hell it's unpopular but I think Griffin was a better win than Okami and that's unpopular. I think Griffin beats Okami pretty easily though...

 

[Fioretti]

I guess man... I just think Fitch was the better fighter based on what I watched. That said you care a lot more than I do... like I said... I think Silva has the better wins ... I just don't think Okami was his best win... Hell it's unpopular but I think Griffin was a better win than Okami and that's unpopular. I think Griffin beats Okami pretty easily though...

I agree on all points, other than Fitch being better than Okami. I never suggested Okami was one of Silva's best wins, I'm just touching on the topic at hand. The topic at hand is that someone suggested decisioning Fitch is somehow a better or more significant performance than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. I just don't see anything that supports that opinion other than more opinions. Does that make sense?

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

This is such an MMA nerd discussion 99.9% of MMA fans would find pointless which is why I love Sherdog

 

[Here's Johnny!]

I agree on all points, other than Fitch being better than Okami. I never suggested Okami was one of Silva's best wins, I'm just touching on the topic at hand. The topic at hand is that someone suggested decisioning Fitch is somehow a better or more significant performance than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. I just don't see anything that supports that opinion other than more opinions. Does that make sense?

You honestly might be right.... hard to say my man. 2008 Fitch vs 2011 Okami maybe Okami was the better win.. idk

 

[GearSolidMetal]

1. Silva's win against Okami (tko round 2)
Okami was ranked number 2 MW in some medias at the time, stayed at that spot for about 2-3 months. He was on a 3 fights win streak at the time. He also lost his very next fight against Boetsh then went 3-1 before moving to the minor leagues.

That's Silva's 'Best Win?'

I'd say it was TRT-Vitor, especially how he front-kick KOed him in the 1st.

 

[Fioretti]

You honestly might be right.... hard to say my man. 2008 Fitch vs 2011 Okami maybe Okami was the better win.. idk

He was for sure. Okami would've been the better win even if Silva won by decision.

 

[Fioretti]

That's Silva's 'Best Win?'

I'd say it was TRT-Vitor, especially how he front-kick KOed him in the 1st.

The topic is which win (decisioning Fitch or KO'ing Okami) was better. Nobody is saying either win is their "best" win. TS claimed that GSP's 5 round drubbing of Fitch was "better" than Silva's 7 minute flawless KO of Okami. He says this because he thinks Fitch was a more established fighter and a higher quality win. So much so, that the decision somehow eclipses the KO. He's wrong.

 

[WHITE ANDERSON]

Fitch was a better win at the time
but Okami was already past his prime

fitch had a terrible downslide until he was reborn in bellator and started drinking TJ dillashaw's juice

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Can't believe the results are so close.

Gsp beating Fitch like that was huge.

 

[Fioretti]

Fitch was a better win at the time
but Okami was already past his prime

fitch had a terrible downslide until he was reborn in bellator and started drinking TJ dillashaw's juice

Can't believe the results are so close.

Gsp beating Fitch like that was huge.

Revisionist at its finest. What had Fitch done at that point? He had 1 top 10 win in Sanchez. That's it.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

The win over Fitch was wildly more meaningful than the win over Okami.

The Okami match-up, even the way it was spoken about among fans, felt more like another desperate reach for the "threat" factor in Anderson's opponents. Yeah, there were strong voices saying that Yushin had a shot, but they often leaned too heavily on Yushin's "win" over Anderson in their first fight - and they were often Anderson haters more than objective observers.

Fitch had long established himself as a force and the clear #2 in GSP's division. He wasn't a great stylistic match-up for the champ. But he was a consistently dominant contender - and GSP destroyed him.

 

[WHITE ANDERSON]

Revisionist at its finest. What had Fitch done at that point? He had 1 top 10 win in Sanchez. That's it.

first: i don't think you know what "revisionist" means. nothing about my post was revisionist. the wins are not equal because they are not at equal points of their career when they fought.
also, what a dumb thing to say: the post compares two fights across multiple years. the very question itself is "revisionist" if you want to be strict about it.

okami was no longer seen as a credible threat when he lost to chael sonnen. the UFC was running out of opponents, they needed a big fight in brazil, so they had to market okami as the guy who beat anderson years ago. but no one thought okami would win at the time. his recent performances were mediocre at best.

fitch was on a long win streak. the guy had dominating wins over most guys. he wasn't exciting, but at least the UFC could hype him up as a prospect.

fitch had potential whereas okami was already a known commodity. at the time that the fights took place, fitch was a bigger win for GSP.

 

[Dirge]

Fitch was a better fighter than Okami fighting in a much higher talent level division at the time. 170 at its peak was the best overall weight class.

He was also ridiculously durable. As such a win over Fitch is easily better than a win over Okami.

 

[Fioretti]

The win over Fitch was wildly more meaningful than the win over Okami.

The Okami match-up, even the way it was spoken about among fans, felt more like another desperate reach for the "threat" factor in Anderson's opponents. Yeah, there were strong voices saying that Yushin had a shot, but they often leaned too heavily on Yushin's "win" over Anderson in their first fight - and they were often Anderson haters more than objective observers.

Fitch had long established himself as a force and the clear #2 in GSP's division. He wasn't a great stylistic match-up for the champ. But he was a consistently dominant contender - and GSP destroyed him.

Fitch wasn't #2 when he fought GSP, and only had 1 top 10 win in his entire career prior to his title shot: Diego Sanchez. He was long standing #2 in the division after his title shot, but only because it was so thin. He acquired 2 more top 10 wins in 6 victories across the next five years while maintaining #2. One of which, Paulo Thiago, was only ranked #7 for less than 6 months.

first: i don't think you know what "revisionist" means. nothing about my post was revisionist. the wins are not equal because they are not at equal points of their career when they fought.
also, what a dumb thing to say: the post compares two fights across multiple years. the very question itself is "revisionist" if you want to be strict about it.

okami was no longer seen as a credible threat when he lost to chael sonnen. the UFC was running out of opponents, they needed a big fight in brazil, so they had to market okami as the guy who beat anderson years ago. but no one thought okami would win at the time. his recent performances were mediocre at best.

fitch was on a long win streak. the guy had dominating wins over most guys. he wasn't exciting, but at least the UFC could hype him up as a prospect.

fitch had potential whereas okami was already a known commodity. at the time that the fights took place, fitch was a bigger win for GSP.

Revisionist is correct. You (among others) are trying to rewrite history. Fitch had a long streak, yes, but only 1 top 10 win. GSP was the second ranked guy he ever fought. He got his title shot after beating unranked UFC newcomer Chris Wilson. Okami got his shot after beating #3 ranked Nate Marquardt. Okami had previously beaten top 5 ranked former champ Evan Tanner to earn his shot, but had to pull out of that fight due to injury. Okami won 2 title eliminators, and earned his shot TWICE by beating top 5 guys. Fitch beat Diego Sanchez to crack the top 10 for the first time ever, then beat an unranked Wilson making his UFC debut.

Okami had 4 top 10 wins and had been finished in only 20% of his losses.
Fitch had 1 top 10 win and had been finished in 100% of his losses.
Finishing Okami > decisioning Fitch

This is reality. Fitch had absolutely nothing for GSP, but the lines were closer for this fight because GSP had lost to Serra not too long before. Silva was so fucking dominant for so long, the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and seemed invincible, so obviously was a bigger favorite in his fight.

The premise pushed by the TS here is that Fitch was such a higher caliber opponent (he wasn't) that decisioning him equates to a "better" performance than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes.

Ultimately, the TS is being deceptive and biased even in his topic title. It should read "Which was a better performance?" - yet, he's just trying to play to his like-minded fanatical GSP friends and try to make a poll to "prove" it, rather than just look at it for what it is.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Fitch wasn't #2 when he fought GSP

Whoops. My bad.