Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Ghostoftheville]

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Yushin Okami

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Yushin Okami's profile at Tapology

Association: Wajutsu Keishukai Tokyo
Pro Debut Date: 2002-09-08
Pro Record: 36-14-0

Win Finish %: 50.0%
Quality Perf. %: 52.0%

Last Ranked: 1/01/2021
#88 Middleweight

Highest Quarterly Ranking: 7/01/2013
#4 Middleweight

All-Time Rank:
#19 Middleweight


Last Loss Date: 8/02/2019
Last Loss: [#163 WW] James Nakashima
Opponent's Last 5: W W W L L

UFC Record: 14-7-0
Octagon Time: 4:12:14
Title Bouts: 0-1-0
Longest Win Streak: 4 (2006-2007)
Next Best Win Streak: 3 (2012-2013)
UFC Debut: 2006-08-26
Last UFC Fight: 2018-12-01



Quarterly Generated Historical Rankings
Rating bar represents the fighter's standing relative to the top of the division at the time

Date ↑ ↓ Rank Record Points
01/01/2021 8 #88 Middleweight 36-14-0
73

10/01/2020 5 #80 Middleweight 36-14-0
82

07/01/2020 2 #85 Middleweight 36-14-0
82

04/01/2020 5 #87 Middleweight 36-14-0
82

01/01/2020 45 #82 Middleweight 36-14-0
82

10/01/2019 16 #127 Middleweight 35-14-0
55

07/01/2019 NR #111 Middleweight 35-13-0
56

04/01/2019 4 #70 Welterweight 35-12-0
147

01/01/2019 13 #66 Welterweight 35-12-0
147

10/01/2018 9 #53 Welterweight 35-11-0
183

07/01/2018 3 #44 Welterweight 35-11-0
183

04/01/2018 #47 Welterweight 34-11-0
170

01/01/2018 5 #47 Welterweight 34-11-0
175

10/01/2017 7 #42 Welterweight 34-11-0
175

07/01/2017 2 #35 Welterweight 33-10-0
189

04/01/2017 1 #37 Welterweight 33-10-0
189

01/01/2017 3 #38 Welterweight 33-10-0
189

10/01/2016 29 #41 Welterweight 32-10-0
174

07/01/2016 2 #70 Welterweight 31-10-0
120

04/01/2016 9 #68 Welterweight 31-10-0
122

01/01/2016 NR #59 Welterweight 30-10-0
123

10/01/2015 3 #21 Middleweight 30-9-0
227

07/01/2015 1 #18 Middleweight 30-9-0
231

04/01/2015 1 #19 Middleweight 30-9-0
235

01/01/2015 5 #18 Middleweight 30-9-0
239

10/01/2014 4 #13 Middleweight 30-8-0
304

07/01/2014 2 #9 Middleweight 30-8-0
311

04/01/2014 1 #11 Middleweight 30-8-0
319

01/01/2014 2 #12 Middleweight 29-8-0
322

10/01/2013 6 #10 Middleweight 29-8-0
322

07/01/2013 2 #4 Middleweight 29-7-0
405

04/01/2013 #6 Middleweight 29-7-0
405

01/01/2013 9 #6 Middleweight 28-7-0
358

10/01/2012 2 #15 Middleweight 27-7-0
248

07/01/2012 #17 Middleweight 26-7-0
238

04/01/2012 11 #17 Middleweight 26-7-0
245

01/01/2012 2 #6 Middleweight 26-6-0
321

10/01/2011 #4 Middleweight 26-6-0
321

07/01/2011 2 #4 Middleweight 26-5-0
321

04/01/2011 1 #6 Middleweight 26-5-0
321

01/01/2011 11 #5 Middleweight 26-5-0
321

10/01/2010 2 #16 Middleweight 25-5-0
197

07/01/2010 2 #18 Middleweight 24-5-0
190

04/01/2010 1 #16 Middleweight 24-5-0
190

01/01/2010 7 #15 Middleweight 23-5-0
187

10/01/2009 2 #8 Middleweight 23-4-0
235

07/01/2009 2 #10 Middleweight 23-4-0
235

04/01/2009 #8 Middleweight 23-4-0
235

01/01/2009 1 #8 Middleweight 23-4-0
235

10/01/2008 #9 Middleweight 22-4-0
207

07/01/2008 1 #9 Middleweight 22-4-0
207

04/01/2008 #8 Middleweight 22-4-0
207

01/01/2008 2 #8 Middleweight 21-4-0
195

10/01/2007 #10 Middleweight 20-4-0
167

07/01/2007 3 #10 Middleweight 20-4-0
167

04/01/2007 2 #13 Middleweight 19-3-0
138

01/01/2007 4 #11 Middleweight 19-3-0
138

10/01/2006 #15 Middleweight 17-3-0
138

07/01/2006 NR #15 Middleweight 16-3-0
130

04/01/2006 NR #4 Welterweight 14-2-0
170

01/01/2006 NR #29 Heavyweight 13-2-0
66

10/01/2005 1 #16 Middleweight 12-2-0
99

07/01/2005 1 #17 Middleweight 11-2-0
95

04/01/2005 4 #16 Middleweight 10-2-0
75

01/01/2005 17 #20 Middleweight 9-2-0
67

10/01/2004 6 #37 Middleweight 8-2-0
46

07/01/2004 4 #43 Middleweight 8-2-0
46

04/01/2004 29 #39 Middleweight 8-1-0
43

01/01/2004 17 #68 Middleweight 6-1-0
31

10/01/2003 9 #51 Middleweight 6-0-0
35

07/01/2003 89 #42 Middleweight 5-0-0
35

04/01/2003 NR #131 Middleweight 4-0-0
18

 

[Fioretti]

@Ghostoftheville

Oh, thank you so much for clarifying. Here's the thing, though.....fightmatrix is known for being inaccurate, and even give a disclaimer about their rankings:

"These ranking sets have been generated by a recent version of the software, using recent data and will not match previously published issues of the rankings, especially since a majority of these generated sets are for dates much earlier than the site’s inception."

They are not actual rankings. They are computer generated rankings. I gave you the actual rankings before.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

@Ghostoftheville

Oh, thank you so much for clarifying. Here's the thing, though.....fightmatrix is known for being inaccurate, and even give a disclaimer about their rankings:

"These ranking sets have been generated by a recent version of the software, using recent data and will not match previously published issues of the rankings, especially since a majority of these generated sets are for dates much earlier than the site’s inception."

They are not actual rankings. They are computer generated rankings. I gave you the actual rankings before.

Fair enough, but now you're arguing schematics and not the topic of this thread, with Fitch being viewed as the better fighter in the larger scope of things. I'm wrong in the rankings of where he stood month to month, but Okami isn't viewed as being as good as Fitch. Silva knocked out a good fighter within 3 rounds. GSP dominated a slightly better fighter for 5 rounds.

 

[Fioretti]

Fair enough, but now you're arguing schematics and not the topic of this thread, with Fitch being viewed as the better fighter in the larger scope of things. I'm wrong in the rankings of where he stood month to month, but Okami isn't viewed as being as good as Fitch. Silva knocked out a good fighter within 3 rounds. GSP dominated a slightly better fighter for 5 rounds.

This is where you're wrong....again. I'm not arguing "schematics", I believe you meant "semantics", but I'm not arguing that either. I've actually been analyzing each fighter and have given a pretty thorough analysis filled with objective facts and statistical data. The fanatical GSP crowd "views" Fitch as a better, sure, but that doesn't mean it's true. That's all any of you can say. His questionable 16 fight win streak with 1 ranked win and his favorable ranking after the GSP fight do not make him "better" than Okami at all. They sure as shit do not make him so much better that a finish is eclipsed by a decision. Silva finished the more accomplished, more experienced, and slightly better fighter who was finished less often..... in only 7 minutes.

Okami had 3 more years experience, 10 more fights, 4x the top 10 wins, 7x the ranked fights that Fitch did - over 3 different weight classes - and was finished only once in 32 fights. There is no statistical or factual data that pits Fitch as the "better" fighter. Only hyperbole and revisionist fanboyism.

You're not staying on the topic at hand, and you've provided literally nothing of substance to back up your views, opinions, or stance on how Fitch was better. I've showed you that Okami literally had him matched 10 fights prior to him fighting Silva. Their records, winning percentage, finishing percentage, and top 10 wins were identical at 22 fights into their careers. Okami going 8-2 in the UFC after this point, with 3 top 10 wins and only losing to top 5 fighters, doesn't somehow make him worse than Fitch. It makes him better, more experienced, and a higher quality win. GSP was only the second ranked fighter that Fitch fought in his career. Fitch was finished in every loss prior to GSP. Decisioning Fitch was not a better performance than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. Fitch was not a higher caliber opponent.

 

[dmwalking]

I guess it depends on what you care about more. Do you care more about rankings and quality of opponents? Or do you care more about finishes? Entertainment value? It’s all subjective.

for me, I’d much rather re-watch GSP dominate Fitch than Silva’s fight against Okami.

I guess I appreciate the entertainment factor above everything else. I know it wasn’t a finish, but to me, GSP’s 25 minute ass whooping was more entertaining than Silva’s tko.

 

[Jack Bauer]

@Ghostoftheville

Oh, thank you so much for clarifying. Here's the thing, though.....fightmatrix is known for being inaccurate, and even give a disclaimer about their rankings:

"These ranking sets have been generated by a recent version of the software, using recent data and will not match previously published issues of the rankings, especially since a majority of these generated sets are for dates much earlier than the site’s inception."

They are not actual rankings. They are computer generated rankings. I gave you the actual rankings before.

You gave Sherdog rankings. Fightmatrix is unbiased and when you say inaccurate, that is simply your opinion. Generated sounds a lot more unbiased to be frank.

Fitch beat Okami, so you really cant call him better. Is Okami more accomplished? I agree its debatable. But looking at unbiased rankings, Fitch is better. Fitch had numerous wins against fighters who were just outside the top 10. Fightmatrix having Fitch accruing points to be Top 5 for 5 years is no accident. Career wise, Fitch is more accomplished. When theyhad their title shots I agree it's close. Very comparable.

I feel that GSPs win was against the slightly bigger threat. Anderson's finish can be considered better for sure. Anderson was always a more lethal finisher whereas George's was more of a neutralizer who didnt have Anderson's lethal finishing ability (but was dominant AF in his way). Its apples and oranges to me. To be honest I hate comparing them. It feels toxic to nitpick them. They were both brilliant in their ways and both have strong GOAT cases.

I chose Fitch, but your Okami argument was persuasive. Which was better? You could make an argument for both.They were both amazing victories.

 

[Fioretti]

You gave Sherdog rankings. Fightmatrix is unbiased and when you say inaccurate, that is simply your opinion. Generated sounds a lot more unbiased to be frank.

Fitch beat Okami, so you really cant call him better. Is Okami more accomplished? I agree its debatable. But looking at unbiased rankings, Fitch is better. Fitch had numerous wins against fighters who were just outside the top 10. Fightmatrix having Fitch accruing points to be Top 5 for 5 years is no accident. Career wise, Fitch is more accomplished. When theyhad their title shots I agree it's close. Very comparable.

I feel that GSPs win was against the slightly bigger threat. Anderson's finish can be considered better for sure. Anderson was always a more lethal finisher whereas George's was more of a neutralizer who didnt have Anderson's lethal finishing ability (but was dominant AF in his way). Its apples and oranges to me. To be honest I hate comparing them. It feels toxic to nitpick them. They were both brilliant in their ways and both have strong GOAT cases.

I chose Fitch, but your Okami argument was persuasive. Which was better? You could make an argument for both.They were both amazing victories.

This line: "These ranking sets have been generated by a recent version of the software, using recent data and will not match previously published issues of the rankings, especially since a majority of these generated sets are for dates much earlier than the site’s inception." - says all you need to know about fightmatrix. Having a disclaimer speaks for itself, but the underlined portion is very important, and is the source of them being inaccurate. They're not reflecting actual rankings.

Fitch beat Okami years after they were both relevant, when Okami was 35, in his 42nd professional fight, and in his first fight at WW in almost a decade. Not very relevant when you're talking about where they were when they each had their title shots. Okami being top 5 for 5 years in actual rankings is no accident either. It's real life, not a computer generated ranking based on whatever criteria the developer(s) seemed fit. Okami was absolutely more established when he had his title shot than Fitch was when he got his. It's not debatable, it's fact. Okami literally matched what Fitch had done (when Fitch fought for the title) 5 years prior to getting his title shot. Same winning percentage, same finishing percentage, same exact number of top 10 wins. By the time he got his title shot, he had faced 7x the ranked fighters than Fitch had, and had 4x the ranked wins. Fitch was only ranked for a little over 10 months when he got his title shot. Okami had been top 5 for 3 years already, top 10 for 4 years. Fitch had numerous wins outside of the top 10, so did Okami, but Yushin also had numerous wins INSIDE the top 10. There's a big difference there. Fightmatrix is notoriously inaccurate, my dude, for a reason. It wasn't even that close when they had their title shots, Okami is clearly the more established, more accomplished, and higher quality opponent when you're comparing where they each were at the time they fought for the title. Yet, they're still comparable. That's literally the point here. Fitch wasn't SOOOO good that decisioning him was a better performance than KO'ing Okami. Fitch was statistically and historically easier to finish on top of all the other shit I just listed for the 87th time.

Fitch was only a bigger "threat" to GSP if you look at betting lines, but it's not because he was a higher caliber fighter than Okami. It's because Silva was a higher caliber fighter than GSP. GSP lost his first ever title defense less than a year and a half prior, while Silva hadn't lost in over 5 years (DQ when KO'ing Okami from his back), had already set multiple UFC records, was 13 fights into his record setting streak, was ranked #1 p4p, and just fresh off of being the first man to KO Vitor by front kicking him in the face. Silva would've been a heavy favorite fighting Jesus at this point in time, bro. Fitch realistically had nothing for GSP. GSP was only the second ranked fighter he ever fought, and he had no physical or technical advantages over Georges.

I don't see anybody making a compelling or objective argument for GSP's win over Fitch being a better performance than Silva KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. It's all about "feel" or "viewed" or "I think" and whatnot. It's a perception thing, and when asked to elaborate, nobody provides anything of substance to back up their feelings. Fitch wasn't a higher quality opponent. He wasn't even ranked for a year yet, he didn't have but 1 top 10 win, and he was finished in 100% of losses. There's no contest there. Fitch would have had to be significantly more experienced, accomplished, and/or established for this decision victory to be able to eclipse a flawless 7 minute KO. He wasn't. There's literally no case for Fitch.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

This is where you're wrong....again. I'm not arguing "schematics", I believe you meant "semantics", but I'm not arguing that either. I've actually been analyzing each fighter and have given a pretty thorough analysis filled with objective facts and statistical data. The fanatical GSP crowd "views" Fitch as a better, sure, but that doesn't mean it's true. That's all any of you can say. His questionable 16 fight win streak with 1 ranked win and his favorable ranking after the GSP fight do not make him "better" than Okami at all. They sure as shit do not make him so much better that a finish is eclipsed by a decision. Silva finished the more accomplished, more experienced, and slightly better fighter who was finished less often..... in only 7 minutes.

Okami had 3 more years experience, 10 more fights, 4x the top 10 wins, 7x the ranked fights that Fitch did - over 3 different weight classes - and was finished only once in 32 fights. There is no statistical or factual data that pits Fitch as the "better" fighter. Only hyperbole and revisionist fanboyism.

You're not staying on the topic at hand, and you've provided literally nothing of substance to back up your views, opinions, or stance on how Fitch was better. I've showed you that Okami literally had him matched 10 fights prior to him fighting Silva. Their records, winning percentage, finishing percentage, and top 10 wins were identical at 22 fights into their careers. Okami going 8-2 in the UFC after this point, with 3 top 10 wins and only losing to top 5 fighters, doesn't somehow make him worse than Fitch. It makes him better, more experienced, and a higher quality win. GSP was only the second ranked fighter that Fitch fought in his career. Fitch was finished in every loss prior to GSP. Decisioning Fitch was not a better performance than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes. Fitch was not a higher caliber opponent.

typo on my part, but oh well.
It can be viewed as revisionist history all you want but Okami's best wins over his ranked opponents didn't age well. Because Jon Fitch continued to be a top fighter after losing his title bout even after moving on from the UFC and beating Okami. You choose to look at the result but ignore all context. "Fitch was finished in every loss prior to GSP", His first pro fight, and then against a 205er in Wilson Gouveia, let's just completely ignore the other 20 fights he participated in. Should I discredit Okami for running from Sulev in his prior TKO loss?

Okami was top 5, but he lost when he faced the best in the division, and that wasn't just once he got older. Fitch maintained his spot and no one wanted to face him until Hendricks got him, and at that point UFC wanted him gone because he was still likely to beat most of the people put in front of him.

 

[Fioretti]

typo on my part, but oh well.
It can be viewed as revisionist history all you want but Okami's best wins over his ranked opponents didn't age well. Because Jon Fitch continued to be a top fighter after losing his title bout even after moving on from the UFC and beating Okami. You choose to look at the result but ignore all context. "Fitch was finished in every loss prior to GSP", His first pro fight, and then against a 205er in Wilson Gouveia, let's just completely ignore the other 20 fights he participated in. Should I discredit Okami for running from Sulev in his prior TKO loss?

Okami was top 5, but he lost when he faced the best in the division, and that wasn't just once he got older. Fitch maintained his spot and no one wanted to face him until Hendricks got him, and at that point UFC wanted him gone because he was still likely to beat most of the people put in front of him.

Okami was top 5 for 3 years and beat 4 top 10 fighters before fighting Silva. Fitch was ranked for 10 months and beat 1 top 10 guy before fighting GSP.

Okami was the higher quality win. What they did after is irrelevant, and Okami still has Fitch more than doubled in top 10 wins over their careers. There is literally no case for Fitch being a better win or a decision over him being a better performance than a 7 minute KO over Okami. Giving excuses for Fitch being finished in all of his losses doesn't make him harder to finish than Okami.

 

[pankrat]

Fitch beat Okami, so you really cant call him better. Is Okami more accomplished? .

This conclussion is pretty dishonest.
Okami was clearly in the decline and making his way down to WW for the first time in 8 years. Fitch, on the other hand, had just popped for PEDs and looking as shredded in his late 30s as ever before.

In top of that, first half of the fight was extremely close, in no case refflects Fitch as the betterfighter, until the proven juicer took over in the latter part of the fight against a deplated Yushin.

If Okami and Fitch were matched up in their prime, odds would be extremely close. And you know it. If they were matched up at 185, Okami would be the favourite.

Yet going to a 25 minuts decision is somehow superior to a flawless finish inside 7 minuts....the bias is strong there

 

[ThunderStruck]

This conclussion is pretty dishonest.
Okami was clearly in the decline and making his way down to WW for the first time in 8 years. Fitch, on the other hand, had just popped for PEDs and looking as shredded in his late 30s as ever before.

In top of that, first half of the fight was extremely close, in no case refflects Fitch as the betterfighter, until the proven juicer took over in the latter part of the fight against a deplated Yushin.

If Okami and Fitch were matched up in their prime, odds would be extremely close. And you know it. If they were matched up at 185, Okami would be the favourite.

Yet going to a 25 minuts decision is somehow superior to a flawless finish inside 7 minuts....the bias is strong there

As you keep saying : "simpleton logic" at its finest (what a terrible expression).

Destroying the superior opponent for 25 mins is better than finishing an opponent that came for a paycheck.

 

[pankrat]

As you keep saying : "simpleton logic" at its finest (what a terrible expression).

Destroying the superior opponent for 25 mins is better than finishing an opponent that came for a paycheck.

Good morning, uber simpleton nerdy

 

[HuskySamoan]

Here we go time to myth bust...

Dan hardy
Serra
Koscheck X2
Alves
Condit
Almost 40 hughes
Lw bj penn

This is not an elite schedule for a ww champ. Its one of the weakest assorment of pedestrian and averags fighters aside from two legends one almost 40 ajd the other out of weight class.

Alves was a killer on his rise to the title and beat legitimate guys to earn his shot. 17-5, 5 fight winstreak, beat Karo, Lytle, Hughes and Kos.

Both of Hughes losses to GSP were when he was closer to 30 than 40 age wise....and still definitely in his prime.

Condit was 28-5, 5-1 in the UFC with wins over Kim, Ellenberger, Rory and Nick Diaz....He was the last reigning WEC WW Champ too, an incredibly impressive challenger for a champion.

BJ Penn wasn't a "LW" he was the former LW Champion, Former WW champion, top 5 pound for pound fighter at both times he fought GSP. Usman beat up a lot of far lesser Lightweights.

Kos was a fair challenger, a heavy handed elite wrestler and athlete. The guy in his prime is easily better than top 10 dudes of today like Neil Magny, Michael Chiesa and Jorge Masvidal to say the least. But also Koscheck was nothing special in terms of a contender.

Hardy and Serra were trash.

So your assessment is either 1. Blatantly dishonest or 2. Youre completely uneducated and revise the history of fighters careers but their endings only. Maybe you have an agenda though.

People like you are fans yet at the same time diminish the very sport youre a fan of, truly sad.

 

[pankrat]

Alves was a killer on his rise to the title and beat legitimate guys to earn his shot. 17-5, 5 fight winstreak, beat Karo, Lytle, Hughes and Kos.

Both of Hughes losses to GSP were when he was closer to 30 than 40 age wise....and still definitely in his prime.

Condit was 28-5, 5-1 in the UFC with wins over Kim, Ellenberger, Rory and Nick Diaz....He was the last reigning WEC WW Champ too, an incredibly impressive challenger for a champion.

BJ Penn wasn't a "LW" he was the former LW Champion, Former WW champion, top 5 pound for pound fighter at both times he fought GSP. Usman beat up a lot of far lesser Lightweights.

Kos was a fair challenger, a heavy handed elite wrestler and athlete. The guy in his prime is easily better than top 10 dudes of today like Neil Magny, Michael Chiesa and Jorge Masvidal to say the least. But also Koscheck was nothing special in terms of a contender.

Hardy and Serra were trash.

So your assessment is either 1. Blatantly dishonest or 2. Youre completely uneducated and revise the history of fighters careers but their endings only. Maybe you have an agenda though.

People like you are fans yet at the same time diminish the very sport youre a fan of, truly sad.

That guy is obviously a GSP hater and posts BS but you werent much better calling Hardy and Serra "trash".

Serra who, despite being a LW, KTFO GSP and also gave a tough fight to Hughes deserves some respect. He would give a tough fight to many that you acknowledge as legitimate contenders so why do you call him trash?

Anyways, relating to the thread, the point is that Okami wasnt trash neither by any mean, and that finishing is always superior than decisioning when facing similar caliber of competition

 

[pankrat]

Beating up somebody leading to a 50-43 scorecard is pretty damn impressive.

GSP over Fitch.

And if he had finished him inside 7 minuts in a flawless performance would be even more impressive than a 25 minuts decision, by 50-43 or by 50-40.

So you could have just said "Im a GSP fanboy" instead of trying a biased argument.

 

[HuskySamoan]

That guy is obviously a GSP hater and posts BS but you werent much better calling Hardy and Serra "trash".

Serra who, despite being a LW, KTFO GSP and also gave a tough fight to Hughes deserves some respect. He would give a tough fight to many that you acknowledge as legitimate contenders so why do you call him trash?

Anyways, relating to the thread, the point is that Okami wasnt trash neither by any mean, and that finishing is always superior than decisioning when facing similar caliber of competition

For an atg great champion, Serra and Hardy were relatively pretty poor opponents. This is relative.

Okami was a perennial top 5/10 guy and legit contender. That said, the Fitch win was more impressive, Fitch simply won more and was more dominant a contender. Finishing isnt always superior, factually false, if you think Anderson vs Sonnen is superior than a Khabib decision your opinion is worthless. There's a lot to take into consideration.

 

[trollkin]

GSP was never convicted of PEDs so he wins

 

[Islam Imamate]

Fitch is a better win than Okami but Silva's win over Hendo is a better win that Fitch and most of GSP's wins except for maybe Shields and Hughes.

 

[pankrat]

For an atg great champion, Serra and Hardy were relatively pretty poor opponents. This is relative.
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I get it.
I just dont think it's fair to give full credit as legitimate contenders to some, and at the same time calling Serra "trash", when in my opinion the skill level wasnt so disparate between them

Okami was a perennial top 5/10 guy and legit contender. That said, the Fitch win was more impressive, Fitch simply won more and was more dominant a contender. Finishing isnt always superior, factually false, if you think Anderson vs Sonnen is superior than a Khabib decision your opinion is worthless. There's a lot to take into consideration.

"Simply won more".

Well, that's a pretty simpleton - or dishonest - argument since I could bring plenty of people with long winning streaks, yet the point is against who....and you know it.

The funnny thing is that it's not even true. When they both fought for the tittle, Okami had more wins and, especially, more ranked wins than Fitch.

If Okami vs Fitch would get matched up back then, odds would be extremely close even at 170, let alone at 185 where would be most likely be in favour or Yushin.


Do not bring Khabib to dodge the question. We are talking about these two particular fights and to say a flawless perfamance flollowed by a finish inside 7 minuts isnt superior than a decision, as dominant as it was, is dishonest as fuck. If Silva struggled before the finish you could have a point (maybe) but it wasnt the case, at all.

100% you would not use that same logic if any fighter not named GSP were involved in the discussion, and the only argument you used (Fitch won more) is not only simpleton - and you know it - it's actually false. That's why the bias seems too obvious here.

 

[HuskySamoan]

I get it.
I just dont think it's fair to give full credit as legitimate contenders to some, and at the same time calling Serra "trash", when in my opinion the skill level wasnt so disparate between them



"Simply won more".

Well, that's a pretty simpleton - or dishonest - argument since I could bring plenty of people with long winning streaks, yet the point is against who....and you know it.

The funnny thing is that it's not even true. When they both fought for the tittle, Okami had more wins and, especially, more ranked wins than Fitch.

If Okami vs Fitch would get matched up back then, odds would be extremely close even at 170, let alone at 185 where would be most likely be in favour or Yushin.


Do not bring Khabib to dodge the question. We are talking about these two particular fights and to say a flawless perfamance flollowed by a finish inside 7 minuts isnt superior than a decision, as dominant as it was, is dishonest as fuck. If Silva struggled before the finish you could have a point (maybe) but it wasnt the case, at all.

100% you would not use that same logic if any fighter not named GSP were involved in the discussion, and the only argument you used (Fitch won more) is not only simpleton - and you know it - it's actually false. That's why the bias seems too obvious here.

Lol