Where do you rank Mir and Lesnar amongst Heavyweights?

[filthybliss]

The question is pretty much summarized in the title. Lesnar had a shorter career to dissect but Mir had the longevity to pick at. I personally would put them in the Top 15 range, I think they both are on a tier beneath the obvious S Tier HWs like Fedor, Stipe, Cain,DC, Big Nog and Werdum. A notch below guys in like the A tier with Couture, Cro-cop, Ngannou, and Ubereem. How would y'all rank them? I think they are on the same level as Sylvia and Rizzo

 

[HavokHarmon]

Mir yes Lesnar no. I think Brock in his prime would have been a problem for a lot of top guys but he doesn’t come close to having a top 15 body of work, there’s just no way.

 

[filthybliss]

Mir yes Lesnar no. I think Brock in his prime would have been a problem for a lot of top guys but he doesn’t come close to having a top 15 body of work, there’s just no way.

You don't think so? There are only 20 UFC HW champs. I think I would put Lesnar over guys like Sylvia or Arlovski.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

The question is pretty much summarized in the title. Lesnar had a shorter career to dissect but Mir had the longevity to pick at. I personally would put them in the Top 15 range, I think they both are on a tier beneath the obvious S Tier HWs like Fedor, Stipe, Cain,DC, Big Nog and Werdum. A notch below guys in like the A tier with Couture, Cro-cop, Ngannou, and Ubereem. How would y'all rank them? I think they are on the same level as Sylvia and Rizzo.

For me Mir has a special place right up there at the top. A living legend.

 

[markg171]

Woah woah why is DC an S-Tier HW? He has Monson, Bigfoot, Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Stipe, and Lewis at HW.

How is that 2 levels higher than Brock's Herring, Randy, Mir, Carwin, Hunt?

 

[BJJ4Tone]

Lesnar only lost to champions, but didn't beat many great fighters.
Mir lost to Ian Freeman and Pe De Pano, but also beat a lot of legends.
They both suck as people, so I'll just give them both two thumbs down.

 

[Vampire life]

The question is pretty much summarized in the title. Lesnar had a shorter career to dissect but Mir had the longevity to pick at. I personally would put them in the Top 15 range, I think they both are on a tier beneath the obvious S Tier HWs like Fedor, Stipe, Cain,DC, Big Nog and Werdum. A notch below guys in like the A tier with Couture, Cro-cop, Ngannou, and Ubereem. How would y'all rank them? I think they are on the same level as Sylvia and Rizzo.

Top 10 for each
No more than that

 

[filthybliss]

Woah woah why is DC an S-Tier HW? He has Monson, Bigfoot, Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Stipe, and Lewis at HW.

How is that 2 levels higher than Brock's Herring, Randy, Mir, Carwin, Hunt?

I mean Stipe is the GOAT UFC HW, DC beat him despite pushing 40. That should count for more than all of the Brock's win. No shot in hell, any of those guys are more established than Stipe.

 

[filthybliss]

For me Mir has a special place right up there at the top. A living legend.

He's an excellent orator, they should really get him for commentary. I don't know how many "he's hurt, Joe"s that I have left in me.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Both absolute studs. Top 15 for sure. You could even make an argument for top 10.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

He's an excellent orator, they should really get him for commentary. I don't know how many "he's hurt, Joe"s that I have left in me.

Word. Tho maybe it's not an option because he would have too many scruples to be directed to do biased commentary and give directive advice to fighters and refs as part of his role.

I see you added pics. Damn Lesnar's tattoo is horrible. lol

 

[blaseblase]

You don't think so? There are only 20 UFC HW champs. I think I would put Lesnar over guys like Sylvia or Arlovski.

Lol how? They have the same number of title defenses and Arlovski has way more wins.

Fabricio Werdum
Tim Sylvia
Frank Mir
Bigfoot Silva
Vladimir Matyushenko
Ben Rothwell
Roy Nelson
Travis Browne

 

[Dr. Rose]

Mir beat Big Nog twice, that makes it hard for me to place Nog above him. But Big Nog had way better competition.

With that said, if Mir did not have the motorcycle accident, he might be viewed with Fedor-like admiration with a possible 4-5 year run. I don't who in the UFC could beat him before the PRIDE merger. I think his losses after the accident would not have occurred if it did not happen.

 

[markg171]

I mean Stipe is the GOAT UFC HW, DC beat him despite pushing 40. That should count for more than all of the Brock's win. No shot in hell, any of those guys are more established than Stipe.

Gonna be real awkward when you look up who Stipe is actually tied with for most UFC HW title wins.

 

[Bork Neslar]

1 and 2.

 

[filthybliss]

Gonna be real awkward when you look up who Stipe is actually tied with for most UFC HW title wins.

Stipe was on an insane streak beating Hunt, Arlovski, Werdum, Reem, JDS and Ngannou. DC stopped that. S Tier might be hasty, fine. But DC is easily A tier in the realm of Cro-Cop and Ngannou.

 

[filthybliss]

Mir beat Big Nog twice, that makes it hard for me to place Nog above him. But Big Nog had way better competition.

With that said, if Mir did not have the motorcycle accident, he might be viewed with Fedor-like admiration with a possible 4-5 year run. I don't who in the UFC could beat him before the PRIDE merger. I think his losses after the accident would not have occurred if it did not happen.

I mean Holloway swept the floor with Aldo 2x but nobody seems to say that Holloway is better than Aldo.

 

[filthybliss]

Lol how? They have the same number of title defenses and Arlovski has way more wins.

Fabricio Werdum
Tim Sylvia
Frank Mir
Bigfoot Silva
Vladimir Matyushenko
Ben Rothwell
Roy Nelson
Travis Browne

I mean Arlovski has been around the block for ages so naturally, he’ll have more wins.

I understand having him above Lesnar due to sheer volume. Mir is where things get fuzzy.

 

[don't ask]

The question is pretty much summarized in the title. Lesnar had a shorter career to dissect but Mir had the longevity to pick at. I personally would put them in the Top 15 range, I think they both are on a tier beneath the obvious S Tier HWs like Fedor, Stipe, Cain,DC, Big Nog and Werdum. A notch below guys in like the A tier with Couture, Cro-cop, Ngannou, and Ubereem. How would y'all rank them? I think they are on the same level as Sylvia and Rizzo



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It's not often I completely agree with someone's ideas about the HW division, but I do here.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Woah woah why is DC an S-Tier HW? He has Monson, Bigfoot, Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Stipe, and Lewis at HW.

How is that 2 levels higher than Brock's Herring, Randy, Mir, Carwin, Hunt?

Lol Herring was washed up and never won another meaningful fight again

Randy was 45 years old and never won another meaningful fight again

Carwin lol never won another meaningful fight again

Hunt was washed up AF

DC beat peak Barnett who was 9-1 in his last 10 with the one loss being to Nog

Bigfoot was coming off a win over Fedor and went to the UFC after to beat Reem when he was the closest to his Ubereem form and then BF fought for a title.

Knocked out Prime Stipe in round 1.

Beat Lewis and Lewis went on to beat Volkov and Blades.


You sound like a Brock fanboy. Not surprising considering you've been an absolute chump when it comes to every other topic of discussion on this forum.