Where do you place nick diaz overall

[Dirge]

I'd put him in the top 15 of all time but that's about it. And this is coming from someone that is a huge fan of his.

His great wins are bookended with disappointing losses to wrestlers.

You'd think that he and Nate training with guys with great wrestling like Shields and Gil would have developed a solid wrestling base.

Then again their builds and fighting style aren't really suited to wrestling.

Perhaps the most disappointing fights of his career were Condit and Silva. I blame condit for their fight as he did the running man. The Silva fight was almost equally bizarre. Silva refused to engage and picked at him from the outside. You'd think someone as heavily juiced as Silva was for that fight might have been a bit more aggressive.

 

[BFoe]

Nick was a career-gatekeeper who's attitude and demeanor made him resonate with a lot of mma fans, to point where he has consistently been overrated. The guy was a good, well-rounded fighter, but far from elite. Let alone on an all-time scale.

His all-time resume is about one notch above Lytle's, and one notch below Kos' IMO.

I don’t think it’s fair to call him a career gatekeeper. He’s a former WEC and Strikeforce welterweight champ. He never got a UFC title, but I wouldn’t call him a career gatekeeper.

 

[JKS]

Nick is not a top 10 WW IMO, doesn't have the names and record. I would place GSP, Woodley, Hughes, Lawler, Hendricks, Condit, Wonderboy, Fitch, Usman, Rory, Maia over him. He's 11-15

 

[MCS]

Nick was a career-gatekeeper who's attitude and demeanor made him resonate with a lot of mma fans, to point where he has consistently been overrated. The guy was a good, well-rounded fighter, but far from elite. Let alone on an all-time scale.

His all-time resume is about one notch above Lytle's, and one notch below Kos' IMO.

Kos, really?

 

[bjpenngoat]

I feel like we are all on the same page here that diaz was awesome in intangibles and as a unique real personality but as a fighter counting wins and losses he isnt an all time great or close to it.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

I'd place him in a retirement home, since he's retired

He's not among the best ever. Had a fun style and an annoying personality but then decided he would rather do anything else other than fight, so he hasn't fought in 5+ years and his legacy is wasting a lot of his prime years on other ventures - which is fair because he doesn't need the brain damage if he can make money elsewhere. Good for him.

But don't get confused and put him so high up. He was an above average fighter, nothing more, and he literally refused to learn new things, which destroyed any potential he could have had to be better than just above average

 

[CasualBot]

Right below Fedor.
Right above Anderson.

 

[Stagliano]

I'd put him in the top 15 of all time but that's about it. And this is coming from someone that is a huge fan of his.

His great wins are bookended with disappointing losses to wrestlers.

You'd think that he and Nate training with guys with great wrestling like Shields and Gil would have developed a solid wrestling base.

Then again their builds and fighting style aren't really suited to wrestling.

Perhaps the most disappointing fights of his career were Condit and Silva. I blame condit for their fight as he did the running man. The Silva fight was almost equally bizarre. Silva refused to engage and picked at him from the outside. You'd think someone as heavily juiced as Silva was for that fight might have been a bit more aggressive.

Lol come on. Silva was 40 years old and he was coming back from a very hard injury.

 

[Dirge]

Lol come on. Silva was 40 years old and he was coming back from a very hard injury.

And juiced to the gills.... Why anyone tries to defend Silva any longer is just plain odd...

 

[bend24]

Extremely overrated tbh. As you mentioned in OP he lost pretty much every time there was a big step up in competition.

I’m not saying he wasn’t a good fighter, he was, but people pretending he is some all time great ww is nonsense. Let’s not forget dude lost three fights in a row to Sanchez, Riggs, and Sherk when he washed out of the UFC. Then he won a bunch of fights against average to above average guys and lost when he had to step up in competition gsp/condit

 

[bjpenngoat]

Is it fair to say that a win over him isnt a legacy win just a good win. I guess for joe riggs and kj noons thats a big name on their resume but for someone like oh idk georges lets say, it isnt really a great win, its a good win over a fan favorite and awesome all time mma personality, but an average win in the spectrum of all time.greats.

 

[Coolkid666]

Place him in rehab. I love the guy but, rehab.

 

[mortal]

I see the "young Robbie" thing keeps on going. Daily reminder: Nick was also young in that fight. Sherdog's boy (well, one of them) received a legit beatdown so you guys will have to live with that.

Nick will always be underrated around these parts.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

I'd consider him highly entertaining

 

[tonysmasseuse]

Anywhere he wants.

Nick bless.

 

[Fredwreck619]

Personally I’d place him in rehab.

 

[pankrat]

He might edge top 10 WW but definitely not even close to top 30 fighter of all time.

EDIT
Usman
GSP
Hughes
Hendricks
Woodley
Condit
Lawler
Shields
Militech
Wonderboy
Fitch
Nick


Thats 12 but hard to say who doesnt get the nod in top 10

Lol at Miletich being a better fighter than Nick Diaz

 

[gspieler]

I don’t think it’s fair to call him a career gatekeeper. He’s a former WEC and Strikeforce welterweight champ. He never got a UFC title, but I wouldn’t call him a career gatekeeper.

Who are his elite wins? Semtek? 2012 BJ?

Gatekeeper is not an insult. If you're good beat one, you're good enough to be contend for a title. But semantics aside, Nick was a fringe top 5 ww, for about 5 years. He was never better than peak versions of GSP, Hendricks, Condit, Fitch, Kos, Hughes, Lawler, Shields, and probably a few other guys who's careers overlapped the same time period as his.

 

[gspieler]

Kos, really?

More names on his resume. And if they fought, Kos would've wrestle-fucked Nick. And there's little Nick could to stop it.

 

[BFoe]

Who are his elite wins? Semtek? 2012 BJ?

Gatekeeper is not an insult. If you're good beat one, you're good enough to be contend for a title. But semantics aside, Nick was a fringe top 5 ww, for about 5 years. He was never better than peak versions of GSP, Hendricks, Condit, Fitch, Kos, Hughes, Lawler, Shields, and probably a few other guys who's careers overlapped the same time period as his.

I know you didn’t mean it as an insult. I’m just saying you can’t really call someone a career gatekeeper if they were the champ. Nick wasn’t a gatekeeper in Strikeforce, he was the champ. I do get your point though, Nick definitely has a ceiling as to who he can beat and who he can’t. I’d say Daley and Gomi are probably his best wins. Over on the UFC side of things, you had GOAT candidate GSP as champ, and he’s tough for anyone to beat. The UFC welterweight division was so wrestler-heavy (GSP, Fitch, Koscheck) that Nick was always doomed to struggle there.