Media Whenever you feel compelled to mindlessly hate on Rogan

[joy2day]

So, why go out of your way to attack / argue with me?

You have a strong opinion on something but are unwilling to hear any opposition?

Seems coward energy and haterism go hand in hand.

Now you are blocked. Goodbye kiddo, we can talk when you grow up (I am not reading any of these BTW, just seeing that you one of these little children that need attention badly)

 

[AstralPanda]

He got compromised by his financial wealth

Went from common sense guy, supporting bernie sanders, supporting democracy and common people to being a bitch ass traitor supporting oligarchy, authoritarianism and fucking vladimir putin

Fuck Joe Rogan

But he is a great advocate of our sport, hes commentary is part of the UFC experience and he is actually a funny comedian

I respect this actually

There's nothing wrong with disliking anyone.

So long as it's actually thought out and reasonable.

I think it's unfortunately all too common that people decide to dislike someone, and become unwilling to acknowledge anything positive or worthy they've done.

If they're a villain in one area, they must be a villain in every area and that isn't how things work.

 

[AstralPanda]

Now you are blocked. Goodbye kiddo, we can talk when you grow up (I am not reading any of these BTW, just seeing that you one of these little children that need attention badly)

When I grow up, yet mindlessly hates, attacks me, then runs away at the first sign of opposition then blocks.

Too many men full of estrogen these days

 

[Poatan Power]

Whenever I have the urge, I just remember that people say stupid shit all the time (especially on here) but they don't have an audience of half a billion people critiquing them on it. And those that do have that type of audience typically don't say anything interesting or thought provoking.

 

[joy2day]

Guy is simping hard and vomiting meaningless word salad in order to try and beat people down with verbiage. Imagine sucking on one of the most popular people in the world as if to put them in some 'king' spot and then ironically using "peasant mentality" on other people multiple times. It's like calling people who criticize the foot "boot lickers" while tongue deep between some toes

Imagine what a sad and pathetic life one would have to have to need to go around acting like that on the internet. Not really any other possible explanation other than having a really lonely and troubling situation in that person's life. That's the sole way the desperate person can get attention from others- negative interactions on the internet. Sad.

 

[AstralPanda]

Imagine what a sad and pathetic life one would have to have to need to go around acting like that on the internet. Not really any other possible explanation other than having a really lonely and troubling situation in that person's life. That's the sole way the desperate person can get attention from others- negative interactions on the internet. Sad

This is someone who went out of their way to attack me on an anti hate, seeing the best in people post.

How you can twist this in a way that attempts to make another person seem negative and toxic is concerning and speaks volumes.

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

this thread went off the rails quick

 

[AstralPanda]

Still sounds like a godawful estimate, and I've actually defended his martial arts background here.

There are near 8 billion people on the planet and at a certain point size matters.

Joe is 5'5" on a good day, I'd take plenty of the 300 lbs+ NFL players, Rugby athletes, strongman competitors. Really anyone who can pick up Joe and slam him to the ground.

It'd be one thing if Joe was an actual pro MMA fighter but he's just a well experienced martial arts hobbyist.

Jiu jitsu is about technique and leverage overcoming raw power.

Royce Gracie was the runt of the family and they sent him to prove that point.

There's many big strong guys who could pick Joe up and slam him the ground, but they would need to finish him almost instantly.

The moment he gets ahold of a limb, it's over. That's the reality of jiu jitsu. Whether he's a pro fighter or not is irrelevant, he's a high level black belt in jiu jitsu with 40 years of martial arts experience.

An untrained person with the right physical attributes can definitely beat him, depending on the situation, but people really underestimate just how vulnerable someone is when they don't have jiu jitsu.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

No, perhaps you never trained. Height and reach are not huge advantages at similar weight and strength, whilst training makes a HUGE difference (Rogan is a lifelong practitioner of both BJJ and striking).

I've seen countless times highly trained females easily handle untrained big guys in sparring; obviously it wasn't "to the death" and likely the outcomes might be different if the guys were going all out with maximum violence, but the idea that a 200 pound untrained man is going to beat a 200 pound highly trained man just because the untrained one is taller, is completely foolish IMO.

Height is a fairly unimportant variable in fighting: experience, skill, techniques, durability, mindset, cardio, power, strength, weight, all come before height. Rogan would be superior to most people in most of those, height being his main - largely irrelevant - disadvantage.

They have weight classes for a reason.

A lot of men have an amateur type athletic background.

Women are far weaker then men in combat sports. Sure, we have Clarissa Shields, but most of the time they lose. Sparring does not equal fighting.

Of course Joe beats a lot of 200 pound 6 foot men. His claim though is outrageous. Pure ridiculousness. Only 50 in the world or something? That is the alphacrack talking.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Imagine what a sad and pathetic life one would have to have to need to go around acting like that on the internet. Not really any other possible explanation other than having a really lonely and troubling situation in that person's life. That's the sole way the desperate person can get attention from others- negative interactions on the internet. Sad.

Yeah, cuz even though Rogan is connected to the UFC, this is a subforum of the "fight discussion" forum, so imagine how bad it is to take something as irrelevant to what people are here for as blowing Rogan to such a degree that you start going "To the death, Georges" in the comments of his behalf, insulting anyone who disagrees with the guy and getting so big mad that he'll even reply twice to the same comment.

I've basically written him off, or at least his vibe reading on people, ever since he tried to go in on me but was way off the mark for a comment I made about another user. He acted like I make my mind up about someone once and that's how I always see them, but anyone who has EVER interacted with me here knows damn well I don't really remember many people, and most of the time, don't even know if the person I'm blowing up in my reply is someone who agrees with me and likes all my posts most of the time. It just so happened I remembered this other user because I literally had to teach the guy how to count to five, so he was kind of hard to forget, but Astral went on a little tiffy fit cuz I guess I was supposed to be open to this other guys opinion. A guy who had almost never been NOT on double yellows because of all his bullshit posting, that no one on this forum takes seriously. I'm the asshole there.

Unfortunately, me writing off Astral's ability to vibe check after that technically does make him right about me writing people off in this case though, so I'll give him points for that

 

[Söze Aldo]

Jiu jitsu is about technique and leverage overcoming raw power.

Royce Gracie was the runt of the family and they sent him to prove that point.

There's many big strong guys who could pick Joe up and slam him the ground, but they would need to finish him almost instantly.

The moment he gets ahold of a limb, it's over. That's the reality of jiu jitsu. Whether he's a pro fighter or not is irrelevant, he's a high level black belt in jiu jitsu with 40 years of martial arts experience.

An untrained person with the right physical attributes can definitely beat him, depending on the situation, but people really underestimate just how vulnerable someone is when they don't have jiu jitsu.

I know all about jiu-jitsu I train (still a novice not trying to brag). Yes, it's great and it's enough to defend or beat the majority of untrained people in a one on one situation.

However, I've personally seen high level brown belts, get nullified by relative newbs who have a significant size and athleticism advantage.

I responded to the claim a poster made agreeing that there are only 50 untrained humans on earth who can beat Joe Rogan in a fight. That's utter nonsense.

 

[AstralPanda]

I know all about jiu-jitsu I train (still a novice not trying to brag). Yes, it's great and it's enough to defend or beat the majority of untrained people in a one on one situation.

However, I've personally seen high level brown belts, get nullified by relative newbs who have a significant size and athleticism advantage.

I responded to the claim a poster made agreeing that there are only 50 untrained humans on earth who can beat Joe Rogan in a fight. That's utter nonsense.

Word

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of variables and potentials, especially in the chaos of a street fight situation.

Jiu jitsu should give you that edge most of the time, but it's that 15% where anything can happen really.

 

[BodybagJohnny**]

Rogan could handily beat most untrained guys, over 99% probably, but globally that still leaves way more than 50 freaks (huge size, violent instincts, crazy viciousness, etc) who would destroy him even without any formal fight training.

Everyone always harps on about him being a midget, but in a street fight against untrained opponents height isn’t such a critical factor if you’re reasonably strong and heavy (which Rogan is) as well as skilled in both striking and grappling (which he also is).

The 50 quote is clearly mathematically wrong, but he absolutely beats the hell out of 99% of untrained men regardless of size and age.

Yeah this. People who don't train have no idea how much better a person who trains regularly is at fighting .

Hurr hurrr he short I chin him!

No, you throw a sloppy haymaker, eat a roadhouse to your outside thigh and are ready to quit, but Joe is already taking you down and choking you

 

[jeskola]

This thread is compromised

 

[AstralPanda]

Yeah, cuz even though Rogan is connected to the UFC, this is a subforum of the "fight discussion" forum, so imagine how bad it is to take something as irrelevant to what people are here for as blowing Rogan to such a degree that you start going "To the death, Georges" in the comments of his behalf, insulting anyone who disagrees with the guy and getting so big mad that he'll even reply twice to the same comment.

I've basically written him off, or at least his vibe reading on people, ever since he tried to go in on me but was way off the mark for a comment I made about another user. He acted like I make my mind up about someone once and that's how I always see them, but anyone who has EVER interacted with me here knows damn well I don't really remember many people, and most of the time, don't even know if the person I'm blowing up in my reply is someone who agrees with me and likes all my posts most of the time. It just so happened I remembered this other user because I literally had to teach the guy how to count to five, so he was kind of hard to forget, but Astral went on a little tiffy fit cuz I guess I was supposed to be open to this other guys opinion. A guy who had almost never been NOT on double yellows because of all his bullshit posting, that no one on this forum takes seriously. I'm the asshole there.

Unfortunately, me writing off Astral's ability to vibe check after that technically does make him right about me writing people off in this case though, so I'll give him points for that

I don't mind being disagreed with. I think there's just a lot of hate and disagreement going around that doesn't have a solid base.

It's short sighted, petty, biased.

Usually when I say things, I'm taking a lot of stuff into account, rather than just one post. I'm like Jon Jones, I notice patterns and tendencies. I actually remember that engagement and the guy was a bit of a troll, says some off the wall shit that rightfully should be critiqued.

At the same time, I understand that nobody is ever just one thing. There's nuances and complexities to their words, thinking and process. There's a tendency with many people to disagree with someone about one thing, which is then used to villainize every aspect of their personality, character and soul In a very absolute way.

Things are just more complex than that. Things cannot be approached In such a black and white manner and expect to arrive at any sort of truth.

I've seen this same pattern with you and others on many topics and it's very common.

There's far too much conviction, too little critical thought and too much mindless hate, all of which create an unfortunate stew of bad analysis on a multitude of topics.

We probably agree about more things than not, but any time these factors are at play, we see very quickly how fast things devolve to the lower tiers of public consciousness and thinking.

Overall you aren't that bad though.

Most fall victim to these holes of thinking and awareness, it takes time and a lot of inner work to correct them and begin seeing beneath the layers. A lot of walls need to be brought down, which is a very destabilizing process. It's much easier to just double down on whatever narrative we choose to believe in, rather than acknowledging other truths.

Like bruce Lee said, be like water. It's much easier not to hate when we recognize the impermanence and superfluous nature of things. No idea is absolute, there are always deeper layers to things we are not seeing. Only a foolish man holds strong convictions.

 

[Last Falconry]

this thread sucks almost as much as the man himself

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

this thread sucks almost as much as the man himself

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Arms are too short to box with sherdog gods.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Looks slow af. Most athletic people in their twenties would crush him in a fist fight pretty fast. Full out MMA?? He'd definitely do much better. Doesn't he have bad knees though? Not sure how that would go attempting to bring people to the ground.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

And also would like to point out if he was 40 this would be a totally different conversation. He is mid 50s. Too slow to take anyone down, highly unlikely he can avoid punches well if at all.

Where is the footage of him actually fighting with someone fighting back? His sparring with JWP is what 10+ years old? I'm not even sure at that time he would be favored over any prime aged male who is relatively powerful/not a puss.

Not to mention he has been on the gas for what 20+ years? Remove that and the number of average Joes who would BBQ him goes up tremendously. From a solid 1-3% of males to at least 30%.