Whats going on in Chicago?

[BrianFantana]

honestly it's a cycle, through poverty and prison time, that is really really hard to break and I'm not sure what the answers are.

Its a fact that 2/3 of all black children live in single parent households (I'm assuming the grandparents aren't being counted there, b/c no way that many single moms live by themselves); whether that's due to the dad just leaving or going to jail or god forbid dying or whatever, that's a major issue no matter how you look at it.

That then clearly results in less supervision, especially if the single parent is working/going to school to try and get by and not just mooch. No father figure in the house, maybe guys coming over to smash mom here and there hopefully giving some semblance of a adult male figure in the life, etc....

The problem becomes bringing this all up, without seeming like you're entirely scapegoating the current situation for Black people in the US, so that some from of constructive thinking can try and address some of these issues and not lead to the 'f em, it's their fault' or 'its not their fault at all' camps shining brightly.

We can say 'certain segments of society don't seem to value education or success legitimately' and that may be somewhat true in a sense, but that's also entirely related to the points above. Asians, who do have strong education values generally, tend ot have much more stable households in terms of parents/crime.

It's a tough issue man, and I'm not sure how it's going to change anytime soon. You can't address the issues of, per my man Fabolous,:
'and young n*****s read like they slow// but you give them a blunt, bet they roll the weed like a pro' and
'no Sesame Street, kids watch BET// look up to dudes that don't got a GED'
until you can at least somewhat stabilize the normal state of the black household

clearly the war on drugs needs to stop, as that appears to be the absolute number one factor in all this, at least IMO

This is a bit scattershot.

I cannot appreciate what it would be like to be a black man, because I'm white. It's easy to say: you should do something differently, but the fact remains there are guys like Beever arguing black men are genetically inferior in some way, which illustrates in a simple example the sorts of prejudices I will never face. I can't imagine how awful it would be to go to school and feel that's what your teacher, or your peers, or your administrators think of you. You don't have a fair shot, and everything becomes a contest to try and prove people wrong. When you're successful, you're patronized, and when you're not, it was a foregone conclusion in their eyes anyway. You can't win and the pressure must be fucking terrible.

Our legal system grossly discriminates against minorities in terms of arrest and sentencing rates for similar crimes. Our educational system sees school diverting their Pell Grant money, meant to bring more low-income kids to university, to cafeteria improvements for the wealthy students.

There are a ton of barriers in place against black Americans, and when a protest group rises up over the frequency of police shooting unarmed and/or young black men for trivial offences, they're shouted down with racial epithets, counter-slogans (All Lives Matter!) and veiled threats by a presidential candidate.

It's terrifying, frankly, and I can understand why there's so much resentment.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

This is a bit scattershot.

I cannot appreciate what it would be like to be a black man, because I'm white. It's easy to say: you should do something differently, but the fact remains there are guys like Beever arguing black men are genetically inferior in some way, which illustrates in a simple example the sorts of prejudices I will never face. I can't imagine how awful it would be to go to school and feel that's what your teacher, or your peers, or your administrators think of you. You don't have a fair shot, and everything becomes a contest to try and prove people wrong. When you're successful, you're patronized, and when you're not, it was a foregone conclusion in their eyes anyway. You can't win and the pressure must be fucking terrible.

Our legal system grossly discriminates against minorities in terms of arrest and sentencing rates for similar crimes. Our educational system sees school diverting their Pell Grant money, meant to bring more low-income kids to university, to cafeteria improvements for the wealthy students.

There are a ton of barriers in place against black Americans, and when a protest group rises up over the frequency of police shooting unarmed and/or young black men for trivial offences, they're shouted down with racial epithets, counter-slogans (All Lives Matter!) and veiled threats by a presidential candidate.

It's terrifying, frankly, and I can understand why there's so much resentment.

well tbf, if BLM never incited violence or blocked public roads nobody woulda gave a shit

but their right to complain isn't above our rights to get to work, they somehow don't comprehend that and why others don't back their motives

rioting over shit never helps either, generally the opposite effect of stigma being attached to that demographic will surely result

 

[BrianFantana]

A change in socioeconomic status should have a great affect on someone's predilection towards committing crime if your statement is correct, no? Aaron Hernandez, Ray Lewis, Rae Carruth, Darrell Russell, Eric Naposkie, Jovan Belcher, Ryan Leaf, Robert Rozier, Mike Tyson, and many other athletes who saw a huge change in socioeconomic status still ended up arrested for murder, manslaughter, unlawful possession of a firearm, rape, possession with intent to distribute, and countless other crimes. I'd be hard pressed to find so many people outside of sports that earned six figures or more a year breaking these serious laws. I wonder what most of these athletes have in common? Maybe poor parenting, lack of self control, and little to no morals?

I think parenting (or lack thereof) has a stronger correlation to crime rate than "socioeconomic status". I served in the military with others who were from a lower socioeconomic background but had at least one good parent that gave a damn. They weren't any trouble.

I agree the paper deserves an F as does some of the other "research" that you posted.

Link to your published papers please since you seem eager to mention them?

The ability for a parent to support a child, pay for daycare, tutors, college, and university is a marker of SES.

And giving someone who was raised in gangs a ton of money because they are good at a sport does not all of a sudden erase their personal history, come on man.

And the 'F' was for you. You can try and track down my papers on your own, if you like. They primarily concern the intersection of privacy law with medical practice. There's also a 1,000+ page report concerning the investigation of a soldier's death; I was one of four co-authors. Have at it.

 

[BrianFantana]

Lol nice baiting. I believe there are ethnicities which are on average both more and less intelligent than my own. Just as there are ethnicities which are on average physically superior and inferior.

I was baiting you. Because what you're proposing is abhorrent.

 

[Bubzeh]

Just uneducated Blacks being uneducated Blacks.

 

[Squarechoke]

what do you mean?

There's quite a few posters that jump hard on when something bad happens in Europe, saying how these countries are ruined, when the violence in their own places isn't exactly lower.

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

I was baiting you. Because what you're proposing is abhorrent.

I don't care if you find something, abhorrent; I care if something is true. Are you telling me you genuinely believe every group of people in every corner on earth evolved to have the exact same mental functions and behaviours? Even if they were isolated for thousands of years? Do you even know how ridiculous that is, or do you just not care because it sounds nice?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

There's quite a few posters that jump hard on when something bad happens in Europe, saying how these countries are ruined, when the violence in their own places isn't exactly lower.

tbh, I think that has more to do w/ the Governments announcements/handling of the violence, than the actual violence itself.

We're getting it here too now though, the Ohio State psycho had people praying for HIM, not the victims. wtf

 

[Sir Galahad]

Just seen the numbers for 2016 and surely these numbers cant be true?
4331 shooting victims
762 homicide

This place seems lawless and there seem to be so little talk about it. Is Americas way of dealing with places where there is no laws just pretend they dont exist? On average almost 12 shootings a day and more than 2 people get killed every day? I thought my hometown was a mess with 16 murder in 2016 and 30 murders in our whole state in Sweden.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-bloodiest-12-months-20-YEARS-Windy-City.html

 

[RockstarChris]

my dad opened a bottle of scotch tonight. im bigley drunk

 

[BrianFantana]

I don't care if you find something, abhorrent; I care if something is true. Are you telling me you genuinely believe every group of people in every corner on earth evolved to have the exact same mental functions and behaviours? Even if they were isolated for thousands of years? Do you even know how ridiculous that is, or do you just not care because it sounds nice?

Look, man, it's not that people evolved differently that's in issue. It's that you're trying to commute that to the idea that black men in the US are predisposed to violence on the basis of genetics, rather than the myriad present and historical social factors that provide overwhelming context to the issue of violent crime in the US. The "research" you've provided is one lunatic racist's attempt to couch his blatant bigotry in legitimacy, and you've bought it hook, line, and sinker.

You can go on thinking whatever you want, but the moment you drag that trash out in public you deserve to be called out for it.

 

[Ichibanner]

You can try and track down my papers on your own, if you like. They primarily concern the intersection of privacy law with medical practice. There's also a 1,000+ page report concerning the investigation of a soldier's death; I was one of four co-authors. Have at it.

Okay, I will. Co author's name or names?

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

Look, man, it's not that people evolved differently that's in issue. It's that you're trying to commute that to the idea that black men in the US are predisposed to violence on the basis of genetics, rather than the myriad present and historical social factors that provide overwhelming context to the issue of violent crime in the US. The "research" you've provided is one lunatic racist's attempt to couch his blatant bigotry in legitimacy, and you've bought it hook, line, and sinker.

You can go on thinking whatever you want, but the moment you drag that trash out in public you deserve to be called out for it.

Ok, so why is there so much violent crime in Africa as well? If poverty is the driving force why don't we see the same problems in China, for example?

 

[BrianFantana]

Okay, I will. Co author's name or names?

You're on your own, bud.

 

[BrianFantana]

Ok, so why is there so much violent crime in Africa as well? If poverty is the driving force why don't we see the same problems in China, for example?

Man, just stop while you're already soooo far behind. Don't make it worse. I don't have time to teach you entire courses on colonialism and government systems.

 

[Ichibanner]

You're on your own, bud.

Got it. There's a high probability that you're full of crap.

 

[My Spot]

So browse as a guest then.

 

[My Spot]

Got it. There's a high probability that you're full of crap.

Funny how he wants us to give him a specific link but he won't do the same. Gun Controll 101.

 

[BrianFantana]

Got it. There's a high probability that you're full of crap.

Good point. There's a high probability the only person in this thread providing support for (with links to) his position that are researched and peer-reviewed, is full of crap. The way I write, the way I structure sentences and paragraphs - it all points to crap-fullness.

You've got a very keen eye.

 

[BrianFantana]

Funny how he wants us to give him a specific link but he won't do the same. Gun Controll 101.

I want to read your study but can't. He wants to know who I am.

Equal concerns.