Whats going on in Chicago?

[oldshadow]

First guns are not going away in the US it's part of who we are and the majority support that freedom.

The good thing is states and cities can make their own restrictions as long as they meet the constitution.

The rest of the people don't need and don't want to be punished and lose their freedoms because some people misuse that freedom.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

From this very thread:



You're looking at an anecdote, not a trend. These are the trends.

That's not an anecdote my dude, it's the largest Indian Reservation in the US and the poorest region w/ a per capita income of 4000. Yes, 4000 w/ 80% unemployment and rampant, almost unbelievable amount of alcoholism even though it's forbidden/banned (I have been there for a friends funeral).

The violent crime rate is higher than the national average, but the murder rate is staggeringly low.

edit: clearly economic happenstance has a correlation w/ murder rates, but it certainly isn't the end all/be all, or else Idaho would have waaaaayyyyy more muders than it does

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

I'm not presenting my comment as valid research in an academic setting. As I have published academic papers, I know what sort of rigors you have to go through to get into a reputable journal. A blog is not a valid source of information, particularly when the individual has no credentials other than the fact he is an unabashed and proud racist.

I really don't know what you're trying to defend, aside from that you, too, are a racist and pretty proud of it.

Lol what have I said that's racist? Do you believe, for example, a Fijan native would have the same IQ as an Asian American were they both to have the exact same schooling from birth? Or they would be just as strong as each other if they followed the same exercise routine?

You're so caught up in your own bullshit you think anyone that acknowledges there is differences between the races, however obvious they are, is racist. Have you travelled much? Serious question?

 

[BrianFantana]

Sure it does.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

good job minimizing/x'n out the porn tabs, pro move right there

respect

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Just seen the numbers for 2016 and surely these numbers cant be true?
4331 shooting victims
762 homicide

This place seems lawless and there seem to be so little talk about it. Is Americas way of dealing with places where there is no laws just pretend they dont exist? On average almost 12 shootings a day and more than 2 people get killed every day? I thought my hometown was a mess with 16 murder in 2016 and 30 murders in our whole state in Sweden.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-bloodiest-12-months-20-YEARS-Windy-City.html

There are laws, lots of laws, but there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do with people who won't follow them. 762 homicides is the highest murder total in 20 years, but certainly not the highest ever in that city. There were actually more murders in 1970 than there were in 2016. The homicide rate there had actually been trending down there for a long time before last year. There was a large spike last year, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will turn into a long term trend. Sometimes you just have years with a large murder spike. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago, much like New York, gentrifies its way into a much lower homicide rate. There were 2500 murders in New York in 1990. Now it's closer to 500 every year. One of the worst crime ridden housing projects in Chicago, Cabrini-Green, is now a luxury condo complex.

 

[Ichibanner]

Meanwhile one of Brian Fantana's sources for his vast knowledge has given us this: http://www.uvm.edu/~econ/documents/TwinkieDefense.pdf

They get so wrapped around the axle in looking at the mechanisms by which a sugary diet may lead to or correlate to violent behavior they can't comprehend something as simple as adolescents who are allowed to eat crappy food and wash it down with soda probably have crappy parents. When all is said and done the research added nothing to already existing notions that diet can affect behavior. But hey, they came close to giving us something by having a sampling group (50% Black or multi-racial 9% / White, the rest Other Races) that isn't representative of the National average.

Guns don't lead to violence, Twinkies and Soda do!

 

[BrianFantana]

That's not an anecdote my dude, it's the largest Indian Reservation in the US and the poorest region w/ a per capita income of 4000. Yes, 4000 w/ 80% unemployment and rampant, almost unbelievable amount of alcoholism even though it's forbidden/banned (I have been there for a friends funeral).

The violent crime rate is higher than the national average, but the murder rate is staggeringly low.

edit: clearly economic happenstance has a correlation w/ murder rates, but it certainly isn't the end all/be all, or else Idaho would have waaaaayyyyy more muders than it does

It is not the only factor, you're absolutely right. However, the strongest correlation is between socioeconomic status and crime rate.

 

[BrianFantana]

Lol what have I said that's racist? Do you believe, for example, a Fijan native would have the same IQ as an Asian American were they both to have the exact same schooling from birth? Or they would be just as strong as each other if they followed the same exercise routine?

You're so caught up in your own bullshit you think anyone that acknowledges there is differences between the races, however obvious they are, is racist. Have you travelled much? Serious question?

Do you believe IQ is a valid indicator of intelligence across a broad spectrum? Do you believe there are any biases within the IQ testing process that tilt the results?

And serious answer: I've travelled to over 40 countries between central America, western Europe, eastern Europe, Scandinavia, north Africa, and southeast Asia. I travel a ton.

 

[Squarechoke]

You will hear nothing from Obama and the liberal media about Chicago and the violence there. But if a thug from Ferguson attacks a store clerk and a cop and gets shot, Obama will hold press conference and it's all over the national media. Because it must have been racism.

To be fair the same thing goes for the US when the conservatives here hear about murder in Europe.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

It is not the only factor, you're absolutely right. However, the strongest correlation is between socioeconomic status and crime rate.

I actually agree w/ much of what you're saying, it just comes across as you're making 'economic indicators' the ONLY reason why said murders happen, and not just Part of the reason

I only pointed out Idaho to show, no that's not the whole story, people don't want to say it but clearly the inner city urban culture has issues w/ violence and murder. Watching literally any episode of First 48 shows that much.

 

[BrianFantana]

Meanwhile one of Brian Fantana's sources for his vast knowledge has given us this: http://www.uvm.edu/~econ/documents/TwinkieDefense.pdf

They get so wrapped around the axle in looking at the mechanisms by which a sugary diet may lead to or correlate to violent behavior they can't comprehend something as simple as adolescents who are allowed to eat crappy food and wash it down with soda probably have crappy parents. When all is said and done the research added nothing to already existing notions that diet can affect behavior. But hey, they came close to giving us something by having a sampling group (50% Black or multi-racial 9% / White, the rest Other Races) that isn't representative of the National average.

Guns don't lead to violence, Twinkies and Soda do!

Grade: F. Does not recognize the difference between symptomatology and causality.

 

[BrianFantana]

I actually agree w/ much of what you're saying, it just comes across as you're making 'economic indicators' the ONLY reason why said murders happen, and not just Part of the reason

I only pointed out Idaho to show, no that's not the whole story, people don't want to say it but clearly the inner city urban culture has issues w/ violence and murder. Watching literally any episode of First 48 shows that much.

I'm most virulently opposed to the contention by that one meatball that says: black people are predisposed to violence by genetic factors.

A few hours back I posted a ton of research journals looking into the gun violence issue. I find it really interesting because the US seems incapable of sober reflection on the issue. It's extremely pervasive, escalating with time, and there is a caustic moat between all sides of the argument.

Frankly, guns themselves are a problem. I know "guns don't kill people", and the like, but a gun is a symbol of power and dominance and oppression. It has been elevated to a talisman for a political movement, and serves to silence those who disagree by threat. Guns are a strange disease permeating a great nation and, while not causing violence in themselves, correspond to a greater impact and death toll in the wake of the violence that does occur. Women and children are disproportionately affected by gun violence, and in the inner city, guns are viewed as a status symbol. It's truly fucked.

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

Do you believe IQ is a valid indicator of intelligence across a broad spectrum? Do you believe there are any biases within the IQ testing process that tilt the results?

And serious answer: I've travelled to over 40 countries between central America, western Europe, eastern Europe, Scandinavia, north Africa, and southeast Asia. I travel a ton.

I was using the term IQ as interchangeable with intelligence here. I work all over and the differing levels of intelligence is just as obvious as the physical attributes. Does it really make sense to you that the indigenous people in every corner of earth would have the exact same mental capabilities?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

honestly it's a cycle, through poverty and prison time, that is really really hard to break and I'm not sure what the answers are.

Its a fact that 2/3 of all black children live in single parent households (I'm assuming the grandparents aren't being counted there, b/c no way that many single moms live by themselves); whether that's due to the dad just leaving or going to jail or god forbid dying or whatever, that's a major issue no matter how you look at it.

That then clearly results in less supervision, especially if the single parent is working/going to school to try and get by and not just mooch. No father figure in the house, maybe guys coming over to smash mom here and there hopefully giving some semblance of a adult male figure in the life, etc....

The problem becomes bringing this all up, without seeming like you're entirely scapegoating the current situation for Black people in the US, so that some from of constructive thinking can try and address some of these issues and not lead to the 'f em, it's their fault' or 'its not their fault at all' camps shining brightly.

We can say 'certain segments of society don't seem to value education or success legitimately' and that may be somewhat true in a sense, but that's also entirely related to the points above. Asians, who do have strong education values generally, tend ot have much more stable households in terms of parents/crime.

It's a tough issue man, and I'm not sure how it's going to change anytime soon. You can't address the issues of, per my man Fabolous,:
'and young n*****s read like they slow// but you give them a blunt, bet they roll the weed like a pro' and
'no Sesame Street, kids watch BET// look up to dudes that don't got a GED'
until you can at least somewhat stabilize the normal state of the black household

clearly the war on drugs needs to stop, as that appears to be the absolute number one factor in all this, at least IMO

 

[ripskater]

To be fair the same thing goes for the US when the conservatives here hear about murder in Europe.

what do you mean?

 

[BrianFantana]

I was using the term IQ as interchangeable with intelligence here. I work all over and the differing levels of intelligence is just as obvious as the physical attributes. Does it really make sense to you that the indigenous people in every corner of earth would have the exact same mental capabilities?

Do you believe you come from a race of people that is genetically superior in terms of psychological attributes to other peoples?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

also, Nigerian Immigrants and other recently emigrated professionals from Africa dispel the whole black people automatically equal violence or being poor motif

Granted they come here w/ resources and an education/skill, but still they are the most successful segment of the US population, even over Asians. It's not nature man, it's nurture (or perhaps lack thereof)

 

[Ichibanner]

It is not the only factor, you're absolutely right. However, the strongest correlation is between socioeconomic status and crime rate.

A change in socioeconomic status should have a great affect on someone's predilection towards committing crime if your statement is correct, no? Aaron Hernandez, Ray Lewis, Rae Carruth, Darrell Russell, Eric Naposkie, Jovan Belcher, Ryan Leaf, Robert Rozier, Mike Tyson, and many other athletes who saw a huge change in socioeconomic status still ended up arrested for murder, manslaughter, unlawful possession of a firearm, rape, possession with intent to distribute, and countless other crimes. I'd be hard pressed to find so many people outside of sports that earned six figures or more a year breaking these serious laws. I wonder what most of these athletes have in common? Maybe poor parenting, lack of self control, and little to no morals?

I think parenting (or lack thereof) has a stronger correlation to crime rate than "socioeconomic status". I served in the military with others who were from a lower socioeconomic background but had at least one good parent that gave a damn. They weren't any trouble.

Grade: F. Does not recognize the difference between symptomatology and causality.

I agree the paper deserves an F as does some of the other "research" that you posted.

Link to your published papers please since you seem eager to mention them?

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

Do you believe you come from a race of people that is genetically superior in terms of psychological attributes to other peoples?

Lol nice baiting. I believe there are ethnicities which are on average both more and less intelligent than my own. Just as there are ethnicities which are on average physically superior and inferior.