Whats going on in Chicago?

[Roca]

How can America even consider itself a first-world country, or a civilized nation?

 

[oldshadow]

If I cared what people in 1776 thought about how things should work, I'd have to get rid of my indoor plumbing, throw out my computer and cell phone, and start panning for gold on the riverbank. Then I'd come home to a nice meal prepared by my slaves and whip my children for speaking too loudly at dinner.

It's 240 years in the future from when a document was drafted by a bunch of old white dudes fearing an imminent invasion from Britain. It's time to assess the present rather than looking to the past for guidance.

Well they came up with a good thing and that includes a way to make changes for the future, if changes are wanted.

You may not like it because people don't want to do things your way but the majority in the majority of the states like the system.

In fact the system allows that if you don't like it you can move to a state and a place more in line with the way you like things. And never have to go to places you don't like the way they run things.

So all in all those old white dudes did it right.

 

[oldshadow]

How can America even consider itself a first-world country, or a civilized nation?

We don't it's a terrible place and people should never try to come here especially illegaly.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

st Louis, DC, Baltimore, Chicago, Little Rock, Memphis, N. Las Vegas, Dallas, etc...

There's a pretty strong correlating Cause in all these cities, just saying

 

[Roca]

We don't it's a terrible place and people should never try to come here especially illegaly.

It's unfortunate that the nation is unable to house and feed so many, that so many do not have access to clean water, that so many are murdered every day, that corruption and corporation control so much. These are not things I associate with an advanced civilized society

 

[oldshadow]

It's unfortunate that the nation is unable to house and feed so many, that so many do not have access to clean water, that so many are murdered every day, that corruption and corporation control so much. These are not things I associate with an advanced civilized society

We have programs to help the poor here and in fact our poor live better and have more then most anywhere in the world.


Where are you getting the poor here don't have food, water or shelter here?

Hell they have big screen TV and cable also, well most do.

 

[Roca]

We have programs to help the poor here and in fact our poor live better and have more then most anywhere in the world.

What is it then that causes so many to turn to crime?

 

[livingdeadmoose]

How can America even consider itself a first-world country, or a civilized nation?

This kind of violence is concentrated to small areas. I've lived in different states and different major cities and always felt safe. Even in Chicago, the violence is concentrated to certain areas. I've been to that city a lot and never had problems. The nice areas are safe to visit. I've also lived in Austin, Dallas/Ft Worth Area, visited San Antonio, Houston, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Tennessee a lot. Ive always felt safe in these cities. Unless you plan on visiting the ghettos of these cities and get involved in turf wars, you'll be fine

Don't let the headlines fool you

 

[oldshadow]

What is it then that causes so many to turn to crime?

Because they want to make shit loads of money and the fastest and "easy" way is crime, especially drugs.

 

[BrianFantana]

Well they came up with a good thing and that includes a way to make changes for the future, if changes are wanted.

You may not like it because people don't want to do things your way but the majority in the majority of the states like the system.

In fact the system allows that if you don't like it you can move to a state and a place more in line with the way you like things. And never have to go to places you don't like the way they run things.

So all in all those old white dudes did it right.

Constitutional amendments are extremely difficult. Remember that none of the amendments have ever been successfully proposed by constitutional convention.

And what does "the majority in the majority of the states" really mean? That the people in the largest states, that have the strongest economies, and that benefit from those economies, like a system that prioritizes them because they are economic drivers? That's... obvious. I'm talking about social policy, though, which is disparate from economic interests. It would also see measures in place to improve the earning potential of lower-SES people, which have been repeatedly shut down by Republican state and federal legislatures over the years, not to mention through injunctions by fairly activist judges.

America achieved its "great" status as the land of opportunity. It is no longer the land of opportunity for a great many people. If it's going to be "great again", that is going to have to return.

 

[BrianFantana]

We have programs to help the poor here and in fact our poor live better and have more then most anywhere in the world.

Where are you getting the poor here don't have food, water or shelter here?

Hell they have big screen TV and cable also, well most do.

This is objectively untrue!

 

[Roca]

Because they want to make shit loads of money and the fastest and "easy" way is crime, especially drugs.

It appears that American poor are incarcerated at a far greater rate than other nations, to what would you attribute that?

 

[Roca]

This kind of violence is concentrated to small areas. I've lived in different states and different major cities and always felt safe. Even in Chicago, the violence is concentrated to certain areas. I've been to that city a lot and never had problems. The nice areas are safe to visit. I've also lived in Austin, Dallas/Ft Worth Area, visited San Antonio, Houston, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Tennessee a lot. Ive always felt safe in these cities. Unless you plan on visiting the ghettos of these cities and get involved in turf wars, you'll be fine

Don't let the headlines fool you

I once gave a black man a high-five. I wasn't scared.

 

[livingdeadmoose]

I once gave a black man a high-five. I wasn't scared.

I don't know what you're talking about but I wasn't talking about black people.

 

[Roca]

I don't know what you're talking about but I wasn't talking about black people.

Me neither.

@oldshadow started going on about lazy people and drug dealers trying to make easy money.

 

[Pwent]

Democrats running the place for too long

Their social programs pay more if you're single and even more if you have kids. The result is a shitload of single parents

The biggest indicator of success is whether someone has a mother and father in their home when growing up

Chiraq is a perfect example of people trying to legislate a solution to all of societies problems

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

BrianFantana must be either retarded or just have low IQ.

 

[oldshadow]

This is objectively untrue!

Which part, the big TV, well maybe not huge ones but TVs and I have no problem with that especially the working poor. They deserve to be helped if they are working and doing the best they can.

It appears that American poor are incarcerated at a far greater rate than other nations, to what would you attribute that?

Because we actually send criminals to prison.

We should however decriminalization simple possession and let people have some weed. That would clear out prisons a bit.

Me neither.

@oldshadow started going on about lazy people and drug dealers trying to make easy money.

Drug dealing is not just a black thing or a white light
thing. We have examples from all races.

 

[lifelessheap]

Oh, I know what the idea is. The idea hasn't worked for two centuries, but they keep clinging to the notion it will work. The US has over 300 million guns, and the highest rate of gun violence anywhere in the world. The guns aren't protecting anyone to any significant degree.

But everyone knows that. They may be less familiar with what happened in Australia, after strict gun law reform was introduced in 1996 following a string of mass shootings: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362.

I will let anyone and everyone peruse that study (they will not) and offer pointed criticisms of same (charming, I know).

Why don't the strict gun laws work in Chicago? Is it because the criminals ignore the laws? Yes.

Your solution is retarded. You could ban and confiscate all the guns you want and the Chicago ghetto trash will still be shooting each other.

And, when you take out the shootings by inner city trash America's gun violence and murder in general don't even look bad. Ignoring the ghettos makes America have a murder rate like most European countries.

 

[BrianFantana]

Why don't the strict gun laws work in Chicago? Is it because the criminals ignore the laws? Yes.

Your solution is retarded. You could ban and confiscate all the guns you want and the Chicago ghetto trash will still be shooting each other.

And, when you take out the shootings by inner city trash America's gun violence and murder in general don't even look bad. Ignoring the ghettos makes America have a murder rate like most European countries.

As I stressed earlier in this thread, which you can go ahead and read, the gun laws don't work "in Chicago" because guns are readily available in neighbouring counties within less than an hour's drive. The patchwork structure of gun access and sale provisions in the US make enforcement nearly impossible. Those European nations you refer to have centralized gun control regulations, which are much simpler to enforce and maintain.

And I would hardly call Chicago a ghetto.

Notwithstanding all of those awful theories are the pesky "facts" that indicate you are plainly wrong. The murder rate, by state, goes from highest to lowest:

1. DC;
2. Louisiana;
3. Maryland;
4. Missouri;
5. South Carolina;
6. Nevada;
7. New Mexico;
8. Michigan;
9. Mississippi;
10. Tennessee;
11. Arizona;
12. Delaware;
13. Georgia;
14. Pennsylvania;
15. Florida;
16. Oklahoma;
17. Texas;
18. California;
19. North Carolina;
20. Virginia; ...

New York rolls in at 24. Illinois is at 29.

So, getting the "inner city trash" out makes the murder rate... still the highest in the developed world and it isn't even close. Curse those "retarded" facts, am I right?