Whats going on in Chicago?

[Gervinho]

Chicago has some of the strictly gun laws out there but that's not the problem. They day they need to make the rest of the country have just as strick or tighter gun control. In other words it's not their fault it the rest of the US because they will not do as we say.

The problem is Chicago doesn't have the guts to do what needs to be done because people would scream racism.

Most of the violence is committed by gangs and known criminals.

So what they need is criminal control.

First decriminalization simple drug possessions.

The start giving out real time for criminals, felons in possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime. Say ten years for having a gun if you are a felony and twenty years is you use it in a crime in addition to the sentence for the crime. No parole not time off for good behavior. You do the full time on gun charges.

Is this going to happen, no because the people that want gun control would rather blame the object and not the person responsible. Also some of these same people would cry racism if they started doing what I stated.

Why not life time? I mean if you gonna ruin someones life, then make sure they dont come back to the same community. You gonna give a kid who was handed a gun 10 years prison without doing anything with it? Its a cultural problem, but to say lets lock up people for long time and hopefully we dont have to deal with them make no sense. That kid you gave 10 years will come out of prison 10 years later as a real criminal

 

[MusterX]

I'll fix this thread.

Murica

Spoiler

 

[BrianFantana]

The reason why it works is because those countries don't have 400,000,000 guns in circulation. Let that number sink in for a second.

You mean it works OK in countries with lower numbers of Blacks and South Americans. The idea of removing guns from law abiding citizens in the US is completely insane.

Not as insane as blatant racism, whee!

Chicago has some of the strictly gun laws out there but that's not the problem. They day they need to make the rest of the country have just as strick or tighter gun control. In other words it's not their fault it the rest of the US because they will not do as we say.

The problem is Chicago doesn't have the guts to do what needs to be done because people would scream racism.

Most of the violence is committed by gangs and known criminals.

So what they need is criminal control.

First decriminalization simple drug possessions.

The start giving out real time for criminals, felons in possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime. Say ten years for having a gun if you are a felony and twenty years is you use it in a crime in addition to the sentence for the crime. No parole not time off for good behavior. You do the full time on gun charges.

Is this going to happen, no because the people that want gun control would rather blame the object and not the person responsible. Also some of these same people would cry racism if they started doing what I stated.

Now there are other things you need to do along with the above to help the people that want and need it in these areas especially the young kids to give them a chance to make a better life. You also have to change the adatude about education.

seems legit

they just need more guns

All, see:

Ok, let's look at the facts, shall we:

1. Guns are used in self-defence in approximately 0.9% of gun victimization crimes (in a study of 14,000 gun crimes): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743515001188
2. The number of guns present does not affect overall crime rate. However, the prevalence of gun ownership does correlate directly with the violent crime rate: http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=law_and_economics; https://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/1#v; https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html
3. The rate of gun ownership correlates with an increase of homicide of women by men: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2015.0047
4. The current system of background checks is deficient in a number of ways (the "gun show loophole" is not really a thing): https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf; https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf
5. States with more rigorous background checks have lower rates of violent crime and gun violence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222085810_State_background_checks_and_firearms_homicides
6. Gun buy-back programs have proved ineffective in the past: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ent_crimes/links/541d58fa0cf203f155bde894.pdf
7. Sweeping gun control measures nation-wide can have a tremendous impact on lowering rates of gun violence and violent crime: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2530362
8. The gun homicide rate in the US is 25.2x higher (2,520% higher) than the average developed country: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/pdf

Buried in there are the statistics on gun purchasing. Most gun crimes are committed by people who bought their guns not from a dealer; that doesn't mean the "black market", it means a private sale. Most guns used in crimes were initially purchased legally, then changed hands.

I encourage people to root through these for their betterment.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

That's not how they even get guns though.

He's a stupid lib shit. He thinks his logic stops at the Mexican border that his ilk wants open. Let that sink in and relate it to gun control. Fucking joke.

 

[Gervinho]

Ok, let's look at the facts, shall we:

1. Guns are used in self-defence in approximately 0.9% of gun victimization crimes (in a study of 14,000 gun crimes): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743515001188
2. The number of guns present does not affect overall crime rate. However, the prevalence of gun ownership does correlate directly with the violent crime rate: http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=law_and_economics; https://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/1#v; https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html
3. The rate of gun ownership correlates with an increase of homicide of women by men: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2015.0047
4. The current system of background checks is deficient in a number of ways (the "gun show loophole" is not really a thing): https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf; https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf
5. States with more rigorous background checks have lower rates of violent crime and gun violence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222085810_State_background_checks_and_firearms_homicides
6. Gun buy-back programs have proved ineffective in the past: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ent_crimes/links/541d58fa0cf203f155bde894.pdf
7. Sweeping gun control measures nation-wide can have a tremendous impact on lowering rates of gun violence and violent crime: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2530362
8. The gun homicide rate in the US is 25.2x higher (2,520% higher) than the average developed country: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/pdf

Buried in there are the statistics on gun purchasing. Most gun crimes are committed by people who bought their guns not from a dealer; that doesn't mean the "black market", it means a private sale. Most guns used in crimes were initially purchased legally, then changed hands.

I encourage people to root through these for their betterment.

I dont believe the gun laws make much difference at all. They are not reason so many people get shot or so many people have so little regard for other peoples life. We are talking about 12 victims a day

 

[DragRacer]

Ok then, Ellen. So your point is, that Chicagos gun laws are ineffective , and are only keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? I agree with you.

Easy, Rush. Chicago is a short drive to a number of counties with very lax gun laws, which creates a void in the effectiveness of gun control as a policy.

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

Not as insane as blatant racism, whee!

Stating facts is racist now? You think all races commit the same amounts of crime??

 

[Gervinho]

Well, you are over simplifying the issue, but it's a fair assumption that if America only had White and Asian people there wouldn't be anywhere near as much gun crime.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

I agree,,,,black and latinos commit a lot more crimes, but a lot of their crimes are petty as well like shooting a kid for area code. while the other 2 commit the real big crimes. But the question is can anything be done about it or is it simply up to black and latinos to clean their own houses?

 

[Hankooks]

Why not life time? I mean if you gonna ruin someones life, then make sure they dont come back to the same community. You gonna give a kid who was handed a gun 10 years prison without doing anything with it? Its a cultural problem, but to say lets lock up people for long time and hopefully we dont have to deal with them make no sense. That kid you gave 10 years will come out of prison 10 years later as a real criminal

He's talking about a felon who is caught with a gun, not some child.

 

[Lanx]

Just seen the numbers for 2016 and surely these numbers cant be true?
4331 shooting victims
762 homicide

This place seems lawless and there seem to be so little talk about it. Is Americas way of dealing with places where there is no laws just pretend they dont exist? On average almost 12 shootings a day and more than 2 people get killed every day? I thought my hometown was a mess with 16 murder in 2016 and 30 murders in our whole state in Sweden.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-bloodiest-12-months-20-YEARS-Windy-City.html

It's cuz these fat fucks think that fucking pizza has to be a fucking real pie

This is what real pizza should look like

 

[BrianFantana]

I dont believe the gun laws make much difference at all. They are not reason so many people get shot or so many people have so little regard for other peoples life. We are talking about 12 victims a day

Well, perhaps you should read through those studies I took the time to bring to your attention.

 

[BrianFantana]

Ok then, Ellen. So your point is, that Chicagos gun laws are ineffective , and are only keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? I agree with you.

No. The point is that, with regional guns laws differing widely from one another, there is no effective national strategy to keep someone in a district with tight provisions from driving 30 minutes to somewhere what does not.

 

[BrianFantana]

Stating facts is racist now? You think all races commit the same amounts of crime??

I don't care what I think. I do care what the FBI thinks: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

 

[MusterX]

Not as insane as blatant racism, whee!





All, see:

Let me be more clear. In the U.S. we have an actual gun culture. Gun control is ineffective. You could try to ban guns but there is the Constitution to get around and even if you get around that then there would likely be a bloody conflict. Even with that said, we can't even keep marijuana from coming over the border. Once you outlaw guns the Mexican crimelords are going to bring in guns by the truckload because you just opened up a new market for them. Even with that all said if you try to confiscate guns, we have about 400 million of them, it would take 100 years to get them all.

In the U.S. guns are an entirely different problem than the rest of the world.

 

[Gervinho]

Well, perhaps you should read through those studies I took the time to bring to your attention.

but the gun laws are not the reason for this mess. you want to make things harder for bunch of people who want to kill others. But the real question is why do so many people want to kill and take another life for really petty reasons.

 

[oldshadow]

Odd that it works in pretty much every country that isn't the US.

ETA: you can hardly argue that the current state of gun law purchasing in the US at large is "gun control". I can still get a gun with a criminal record check and a valid driver's licence in about 15 minutes in half the states in the country.

And you should get at least 10 years if you are caught with it first the first offense.

Ok, let's look at the facts, shall we:

1. Guns are used in self-defence in approximately 0.9% of gun victimization crimes (in a study of 14,000 gun crimes): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743515001188
2. The number of guns present does not affect overall crime rate. However, the prevalence of gun ownership does correlate directly with the violent crime rate: http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=law_and_economics; https://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/1#v; https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html
3. The rate of gun ownership correlates with an increase of homicide of women by men: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2015.0047
4. The current system of background checks is deficient in a number of ways (the "gun show loophole" is not really a thing): https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf; https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf
5. States with more rigorous background checks have lower rates of violent crime and gun violence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222085810_State_background_checks_and_firearms_homicides
6. Gun buy-back programs have proved ineffective in the past: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ent_crimes/links/541d58fa0cf203f155bde894.pdf
7. Sweeping gun control measures nation-wide can have a tremendous impact on lowering rates of gun violence and violent crime: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2530362
8. The gun homicide rate in the US is 25.2x higher (2,520% higher) than the average developed country: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/pdf

Buried in there are the statistics on gun purchasing. Most gun crimes are committed by people who bought their guns not from a dealer; that doesn't mean the "black market", it means a private sale. Most guns used in crimes were initially purchased legally, then changed hands.

I encourage people to root through these for their betterment.

Most guns are through straw purchase or a shady gun dealer.

I support long prison time for both.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Guns are used aproxmently 1.5 million (Clinton study) 2.5 million (NRA) for self-defence. The largest number of times the weapon is not fired. That's the fact the anti gun people like to leave out in their numbers. They only like to countil the numbers using the times the gun owners shoot the criminals as self-defence verse crime.

Why not life time? I mean if you gonna ruin someones life, then make sure they dont come back to the same community. You gonna give a kid who was handed a gun 10 years prison without doing anything with it? Its a cultural problem, but to say lets lock up people for long time and hopefully we dont have to deal with them make no sense. That kid you gave 10 years will come out of prison 10 years later as a real criminal

They kid would only get the time in my post if they were a convicted felon.

If you are a felony in possession of a gun then it would be 10 for the first time, 20 for the second and then life for the third time.

 

[ILLogic]

black lives matter... just not to black people.

And Chicago sucks no doubt, but it's getting press due to its combination of shittyness and size. Other cities such as St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Newark, New Orleans all sport higher gun homocide per capita figures.

That's also fairly alarming.

Do all black people share the sentiment that you've instilled in them?

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

I don't care what I think. I do care what the FBI thinks: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

What were you hoping to achieve with these stats?

Violent crime -

Whites - 232,180 with 63% of population
Blacks - 140,543 with 12% of population

Weapons carrying -

Whites - 63,961 with 63% of population
Blacks - 44,284 with 12% of population

Do you realize these stats display blacks committing wildly disproportionate amounts of violent/ weapon crime? Truly bizarre you shared this.



EDIT: Most shocking of all -

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter:

Whites: 3908 with 63% of population
Blacks: 4,347 with 12% of population

 

[DragRacer]

Yet, 30 minutes away in a different state , there isn't a shooting every few minutes. It would appear that there's a problem with the people and their leadership, since guns are just a tool.

No. The point is that, with regional guns laws differing widely from one another, there is no effective national strategy to keep someone in a district with tight provisions from driving 30 minutes to somewhere what does not.

 

[Lord of Lies]

Fake news.

Ok, let's look at the facts, shall we:

1. Guns are used in self-defence in approximately 0.9% of gun victimization crimes (in a study of 14,000 gun crimes): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743515001188
2. The number of guns present does not affect overall crime rate. However, the prevalence of gun ownership does correlate directly with the violent crime rate: http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=law_and_economics; https://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/1#v; https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html
3. The rate of gun ownership correlates with an increase of homicide of women by men: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2015.0047
4. The current system of background checks is deficient in a number of ways (the "gun show loophole" is not really a thing): https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf; https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf
5. States with more rigorous background checks have lower rates of violent crime and gun violence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222085810_State_background_checks_and_firearms_homicides
6. Gun buy-back programs have proved ineffective in the past: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ent_crimes/links/541d58fa0cf203f155bde894.pdf
7. Sweeping gun control measures nation-wide can have a tremendous impact on lowering rates of gun violence and violent crime: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2530362
8. The gun homicide rate in the US is 25.2x higher (2,520% higher) than the average developed country: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/pdf

Buried in there are the statistics on gun purchasing. Most gun crimes are committed by people who bought their guns not from a dealer; that doesn't mean the "black market", it means a private sale. Most guns used in crimes were initially purchased legally, then changed hands.

I encourage people to root through these for their betterment.