Regimen What would be a routine for Kickboxing / MMA ?

[ROcknrollracing]

I never said people need to know BJJ. I said skill and have specifically mentioned your striking claim. You are equating knowing multiple techniques with technical skill. I haven't said that.

Kron and Royce lost because they lacked the skills necessary to take the fight to the ground in a favourable position for them. They couldn't do basic wrestling and resorted to jumping guard or getting dropped to get to the ground.Their stand up skills were non existent. 100% they should have worked on wrestling at the least and developed their striking to a competent level. The issue was they stopped developing technically and everyone else caught up.

Why do you keep using examples that show that you need to develop skills to be successful in MMA? You keep making my point for me.

Because they are not good enough athletes to beat their competitors it is as simple as that. How much skill does it take to take somebody down and beat the crap out of them? Did you even listen to the videos? Do you think you can go into a cage and take down Eddie hall and beat him by only doing skill training?

Either you guys are completely delusional about what fighting is or you are purposefully or accidentally promoting that skill and technique is what wins fights and that it gets you in shape to win fights. I am a certified black belt in martial arts and im telling you that a belt doesn't mean anything. How much brain power does it take to know that a better athlete is a better fighter? How much brain power does it take to know that a stronger more athletic you is a better fighter than if you weren't? How much sparring do you think it takes and only sparring to be a better fighter? I have sparred more people in my life that I can basically cut my eyeballs out and be able to do it. This is now tiresome. This is now pointless.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

from chat GPT

No, sport specificity alone is not enough. While focusing on sport-specific movements and training can be beneficial for developing skills and improving performance, it's crucial to also consider general strength, conditioning, and injury prevention. A comprehensive approach that includes both sport-specific training and general physical preparation is more likely to lead to optimal athletic development. [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4]
Here's why sport specificity is not enough: [2, 2]

• General Physical Qualities: All athletes benefit from developing fundamental physical qualities like strength, speed, agility, and resilience, regardless of their sport. These qualities are transferable across different sports and can provide a solid foundation for specific training. [2, 2]
• Injury Prevention: Focusing solely on sport-specific movements can increase the risk of overuse injuries. A balanced approach that includes exercises that strengthen supporting muscles and improve joint stability is essential for injury prevention. [5, 5]
• Transfer of Training Effects: While sport-specific training is important, it's not always necessary or beneficial to mimic every movement exactly as it is performed in the sport. Some general strength and conditioning exercises can lead to significant improvements in performance, and these improvements can transfer to the sport. [6, 6, 7, 7]
• Long-Term Athlete Development: A balanced approach to training, including both general and specific exercises, is crucial for long-term athlete development. This allows athletes to build a strong foundation, improve their overall physical abilities, and reduce the risk of injury over time. [2, 2, 3, 3, 8]

In conclusion, while sport specificity is an important aspect of training, it should be integrated into a broader program that also addresses general physical qualities, injury prevention, and long-term athlete development. [1, 2, 3]

Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.relentlessathleticsllc.com/education/the-science-behind-sport-specificity
[2] https://simplifaster.com/articles/sport-specific-strength-training-pros-cons/
[3] https://sustainptperformance.com/sport-specific-training-vs-strength-and-conditioning/
[4] https://velocityspusa.com/myth-or-fact-speed-training-is-sport-specific/
[5] https://www.healthline.com/health/principle-of-specificity
[6] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9680266/
[7] https://www.strongfirst.com/specificity-transfer-trade-off/
[8] https://www.verywellfit.com/principle-of-specificity-definition-3120375

 

[maximus__]

Because they are not good enough athletes to beat their competitors it is as simple as that. How much skill does it take to take somebody down and beat the crap out of them? Did you even listen to the videos? Do you think you can go into a cage and take down Eddie hall and beat him by only doing skill training?

Either you guys are completely delusional about what fighting is or you are purposefully or accidentally promoting that skill and technique is what wins fights and that it gets you in shape to win fights. I am a certified black belt in martial arts and im telling you that a belt doesn't mean anything. How much brain power does it take to know that a better athlete is a better fighter? How much brain power does it take to know that a stronger more athletic you is a better fighter than if you weren't? How much sparring do you think it takes and only sparring to be a better fighter? I have sparred more people in my life that I can basically cut my eyeballs out and be able to do it. This is now tiresome. This is now pointless.

No they lacked the ability to take the fight into the area they needed to. They were ground specialists that had no way to take the fight to the ground... That's a major technical area they both had missing. Wrestling whilst someone strikes you is the hardest part of the sport.

Eddie Hall now trains MMA, ran a full boxing camp for the Thor fight and is an example of someone developing skills...fighting 2 people with no skills. Why do you keep giving examples of people with skills beating unskilled people?

Hall is linked to a fight with Marius Pudzianowski. Pudz is another strong guy who basically loses whenever he runs into a fighter with any technical skill.
Below Eddie Hall getting beaten by better technical fighters in the training room.
He says his strength was useless against these guys. He can't even pin Aspinall from side control starting there.
Tom uses basic frames and a hip escape initially, before adding in a butterfly hook and sweeping him
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Who cares about your kids karate belt. Nobody else brings stuff like that up because we don't care about our own versions of that. Half this forum has a black belt in some form of traditional martial arts over the age of 30.All you had to do was pay the grading fee.

Nobody is saying a belt or specific art is required. Nobody is saying being skilled AND stronger/more conditioned doesn't make you a better fighter. You aren't claiming that being skilled AND strong/conditioned is important. You have claimed that skill training is near useless multiple times.

 

[maximus__]

here is another one for you Maximus! it has nothing to do with skill.....if you wont listen to actual top trainers and respected trainers that I have posted in this thread then you are as delusional as mcdojo BJJ studios popping up all over America to force people to pay expensive fees to attain the level of black belt to somehow figure they can learn 600 different techniques and have them memorized and applying them during a combat situation and that is what makes them unbeatable.

side note You should consult Kron Gracies camp and reiterate that he just needs more skill to win a fight and that Royce Gracie would have beaten Matt Hughes soundly if he had just practiced technique more

I went back and watched that video.I made it 3 mins until he said he blocks people that send him videos ...

This video starts with the pimp slap to apology hug, he shows the Philly shell by dipping the back of his head to protect the chin (great self defence) and then the Dude literally is drilling techniques, doing reps and practicing skills in his gym. You can't help but pick examples that support that position.

 

[Cole train]

Heres jon jones deadlifting 120 kilos, this was when he was in ufc top 10 or 15 which makes him higher ranked than 99 percent of guys competing



Not very strong strength wise

Gsp could do 8 pullups while in ufc top 10 if i recall correctly, hardly monster on gyn standards.

Prime bj penn isnt a liftiing monster either looking at vids on youtube



Personally never walked out thinking i should bench more or deadlift after i lost, it was always either learn to kick or wrestle better or more cardio

 

[ROcknrollracing]

What does squat bench and deadlifts have to do with MMA? You do not have to squat bench or deadlift at all to be an mma fighter. When did I say that a powerlifter makes the best mma fighter? I dont know exactly what you guys are looking for me to say? Do you want me to sit here and say that just sparring and doing drills is enough to be a competitive MMA fighter?


If so then ok sure guys. If you want to be a great athlete only spar, shadow box and do drills and that is enough for fighting.

You shouldn't care about my black belts in martial arts because they dont mean anything anyways in my ability to fight. The fights that ive been in and all of the sparring I did never mattered and since YOU guys said it they may as well have never even happened.

You happy now?

 

[dentalplan]

You said the belts matter when they actually don’t in any martial art or mma. All a belt represents is your knowledge it doesn’t represent your fighting ability.

Shouldn't you yourself be able to fight before making a claim like that?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Shouldn't you yourself be able to fight before making a claim like that?

No you are right I cant fight. So whatever you say is what I will believe.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

here is another chat GPT search......

While a black belt signifies a significant level of training and proficiency in a martial art, it doesn't automatically guarantee a person is a skilled fighter. It represents a milestone of dedication and mastery of fundamental techniques, but factors like experience, physical attributes, and the specific style of martial art all play a role in one's actual fighting ability.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Black belt as a milestone:
  In many martial arts systems, a black belt is the highest rank attained during the initial stages of training. It signifies that a student has demonstrated proficiency in the basic techniques, forms, and principles of the art.
  
  
• Not a guarantee of fighting ability:
  While black belts have a strong foundation in their martial art, it's not a guarantee of success in a real fight. Factors like experience, sparring proficiency, and the specific application of techniques can vary greatly between individuals.
  
  
• Variations in black belt standards:
  The meaning and requirements for achieving a black belt can differ significantly between martial arts styles and even within the same style depending on the school.
  
  
• Importance of continued training:
  Many black belts recognize that their journey is not over once they achieve the black belt rank. They continue to train and refine their skills to improve their fighting abilities.
  
  
• Other factors in fighting ability:
  Beyond martial arts training, factors like size, strength, speed, and experience in real-world situations can also influence a person's ability to effectively figh

 

[Trabaho]

You should have bowed out when you claimed it takes an hour to learn how to strike and started talking about the streetz.

he even said in 5 minutes in the stand up forum section

None of us know anything. That's why we talk about Strength and Conditioning on an MMA sub forum that used to recommend everyone just do the big 3 lifts for every single sport.

lol do the big 3 was the answer to everything, strong stronk stroink. Like this sub was captured by overweight powerlifters who couldn´t fight.

Fix the gym and Strength training part. Atleast join the Kickboxing gym man. You don't have to fight, just do it for fun and help hold pads etc.

what gym do you decide to go to

 

[Trabaho]

here is another chat GPT search......

While a black belt signifies a significant level of training and proficiency in a martial art, it doesn't automatically guarantee a person is a skilled fighter. It represents a milestone of dedication and mastery of fundamental techniques, but factors like experience, physical attributes, and the specific style of martial art all play a role in one's actual fighting ability.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Black belt as a milestone:
  In many martial arts systems, a black belt is the highest rank attained during the initial stages of training. It signifies that a student has demonstrated proficiency in the basic techniques, forms, and principles of the art.
  
  
• Not a guarantee of fighting ability:
  While black belts have a strong foundation in their martial art, it's not a guarantee of success in a real fight. Factors like experience, sparring proficiency, and the specific application of techniques can vary greatly between individuals.
  
  
• Variations in black belt standards:
  The meaning and requirements for achieving a black belt can differ significantly between martial arts styles and even within the same style depending on the school.
  
  
• Importance of continued training:
  Many black belts recognize that their journey is not over once they achieve the black belt rank. They continue to train and refine their skills to improve their fighting abilities.
  
  
• Other factors in fighting ability:
  Beyond martial arts training, factors like size, strength, speed, and experience in real-world situations can also influence a person's ability to effectively figh

dude you got a black belt in karate from a school that doesn´t do full contact fights.

You don´t got a black belt in bjj or judo. You don´t got a record in wrestling, MMA, boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai.

To me your black belt doesn´t count and is from a MC Dojo.

Don´t use the word black belt as a thing accross different sports. Your sport is some karte kid movie stuff in my opinion. It´s a Mc Dojo. It does not count.

There are combat sports like grappling (bjj, judo, wrestling) and striking (boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai) and there are TMA traditional martial arts which are full of Mc Dojos.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

dude you got a black belt in karate from a school that doesn´t do full contact fights.

You don´t got a black belt in bjj or judo. You don´t got a record in wrestling, MMA, boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai.

To me your black belt doesn´t count and is from a MC Dojo.

Don´t use the word black belt as a thing accross different sports. Your sport is some karte kid movie stuff in my opinion. It´s a Mc Dojo. It does not count.

There are combat sports like grappling (bjj, judo, wrestling) and striking (boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai) and there are TMA traditional martial arts which are full of Mc Dojos.

Yes because all martial artist who never competed in a sanctioned fight are incapable of fighting because you said so. Got it!

 

[maximus__]

he even said in 5 minutes in the stand up forum section



lol do the big 3 was the answer to everything, strong stronk stroink. Like this sub was captured by overweight powerlifters who couldn´t fight.


what gym do you decide to go to

I lift weights in my well equipped home gym and have trained at a gym with active competitors and fighters for years.
I regularly spar with fighters prepping for fights, though not as much these days as my goals are outside BJJ/MMA.
I have also gone to Thailand and Bali to train at Pro MMA gyms at different points.

 

[maximus__]

here is another chat GPT search......

While a black belt signifies a significant level of training and proficiency in a martial art, it doesn't automatically guarantee a person is a skilled fighter. It represents a milestone of dedication and mastery of fundamental techniques, but factors like experience, physical attributes, and the specific style of martial art all play a role in one's actual fighting ability.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Black belt as a milestone:
  In many martial arts systems, a black belt is the highest rank attained during the initial stages of training. It signifies that a student has demonstrated proficiency in the basic techniques, forms, and principles of the art.
  
  
• Not a guarantee of fighting ability:
  While black belts have a strong foundation in their martial art, it's not a guarantee of success in a real fight. Factors like experience, sparring proficiency, and the specific application of techniques can vary greatly between individuals.
  
  
• Variations in black belt standards:
  The meaning and requirements for achieving a black belt can differ significantly between martial arts styles and even within the same style depending on the school.
  
  
• Importance of continued training:
  Many black belts recognize that their journey is not over once they achieve the black belt rank. They continue to train and refine their skills to improve their fighting abilities.
  
  
• Other factors in fighting ability:
  Beyond martial arts training, factors like size, strength, speed, and experience in real-world situations can also influence a person's ability to effectively figh

Are you quoting Chat GPT as a source of why you are right?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Are you quoting Chat GPT as a source of why you are right?

So since you are somehow smarter than every coach in the sport then go ahead and lay out how you would make a top fighter? With your own thoughts and instructions and not looking up any other information on training for athletics.

 

[maximus__]

Yes because all martial artist who never competed in a sanctioned fight are incapable of fighting because you said so. Got it!

Nobody is saying anyone is incapable of fighting. You literally said learning technical skill is a waste of time because you can just get bigger and more athletic instead. Then you posted videos of technical fighters and people building technical skills to disprove your own point.

I think you personally are incapable of fighting, because you are disillusioned and think that you will just rise to the occasion because you are "that guy".

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Nobody is saying anyone is incapable of fighting. You literally said learning technical skill is a waste of time because you can just get bigger and more athletic instead. Then you posted videos of technical fighters and people building technical skills to disprove your own point.

I think you personally are incapable of fighting, because you are disillusioned and think that you will just rise to the occasion because you are "that guy".

Never did I once say technical skill was a waste of time.

 

[maximus__]

So since you are somehow smarter than every coach in the sport then go ahead and lay out how you would make a top fighter? With your own thoughts and instructions and not looking up any other information on training for athletics.

When have I ever said I was smarter than every coach in the sport? Why because I said you require a basic level of technique to be successful ? What coach disagrees with that position? If that was the case Crossfitters would be the ultimate MMA athletes.

Even the people that get exposed for lacking a skill set (usually wrestling) have a high level of technical skill somewhere else when they cross over. They are still sparring, learning technical skills and what to do in those situations. They just don't always execute it against a higher skilled athlete. They aren't hitting the big 3 after watching some Youtuber say how to throw a punch for their fight camps...

 

[maximus__]

Never did I once say technical skill was a waste of time.

You literally said you can learn to strike in an hour...

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You literally said you can learn to strike in an hour...

You can.