what is the proper response to Russia & China?

[Deleted member 457759]

If corporations didn't run America, what they should do in theory is bring the manufacturing home and cripple China.

 

[Orgasmo]

If corporations didn't run America, what they should do in theory is bring the manufacturing home and cripple China.

That would go against the laws of economics. Corporations are trans-national entities. They won't stay in one country out of patriotism, but rather where they can maximize profit. You seem to think they owe some type of loyalty to US when it's only wealth they're after. At most, their loyalty is to their shareholders.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

That would go against the laws of economics. Corporations are trans-national entities. They won't stay in one country out of patriotism, but rather where they can maximize profit. You seem to think they owe some type of loyalty to US when it's only wealth they're after. At most, their loyalty is to their shareholders.

I realize that. I was trying to be creative. That still leaves us with the problem of corporatism.

It's evil, it's the beast.

None the less, it would fix americas problems.

 

[IGIT]

And has Obama has shown with Syria (and basically everything else), policy will be dictated without even a little bit of popular support.

lfd0311,

actually, there has been robust support from the GOP (who control the House) for action regarding Syria for almost the last year now.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

If a rising tide truly lifts all boats, work to promote stability world wide and stop instigating chaos to further a short term agenda. Unless long term instability is a goal of the US.

hello OldGoat,

you must getting Mr. Obama confused with Mr. W. Bush....the current POTUS has done nothing to instigate chaos, nothing at all.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

'evening James,

He doesn't have the balls to go against the public (thankfully) nor the ability to sway the public on foreign policy. So all he does is what the public wants, which as is generally the case with the US (or probably any public in any country) is not much at all. And almost never boots on the ground, unless americans were killed first by the people at that ground.

yep. i'd agree that Mr. Obama has hewed closely to what the public has wanted, in terms of his foreign policy.

So he looks stupid by overplaying what he is actually willing/able to do. He could have gotten to the same result without looking like a bluffer who doesn't follow through, that may be a problem in the future. People judge foreign policy based on what happens down the road. For example Chamberlain got the peace that most brits probably wanted too when he appeased Hitler. Now he looks like a fool.

Mr. Obama hasn't overplayed his hand, though. when Syria crossed "the thin red line", he immediately asked for authorization from Congress to act. isn't this what we all wanted all along?

in terms of China and Russia, what is it you want Mr. Obama to do that he hasn't?

a military strike on one of those countries?

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

What? What President have you been watching? Continues to meddle around in Syria, despite it being massively unpopular with the public. Contiunes to press Obamacare despite nobody wanting it, etc, etc.

lfd0311,

the current POTUS has barely placed his finger on the scales of Syria, my friend...and the ones clamoring for action against the Assad regime have been the GOP.

- IGIT

 

[Kevin Rudd]

Maybe some parts of it, but it's a Communist country. The govt has absolute and total control over everything, that's how they've risen to the position they are in, namely being the world's only real super power.

lol so much fail in this post. Nothing you've stated here is even close to being true.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

If we are going to do anything, we are going to have to wright the ship at home, and make some more useful allies, and stop draining our resources over things that have no clear benefit. Leaving Israel to the wolves would be one of the things that need to happen first.

 

[Tseren**]

China's and Russia's actions are themselves a response to American over-involvement in China's and Russia's backyards.

Imagine China starts stirring shit up in Mexico, America does something about it, and then the Chinese ask themselves -"what are we going to do about this?"

 

[Tseren**]

If we are going to do anything, we are going to have to wright the ship at home, and make some more useful allies, and stop draining our resources over things that have no clear benefit. Leaving Israel to the wolves would be one of the things that need to happen first.

Could probably find a better way to express this idea lol

 

[GhostZ06]

OK, that's all well and good, except for two things. You could destroy every major urban area of China and it would affect a small % of their population. Secondly, all the troops in the area is meaningless, there are more smokers in China then there are people living in the US.

lol what? That probably cut the population in half.



China will destroy itself over time. Not many people understand that china's greatest threat is itself. A lot of people have hard no's for china and Russia. Beijing can only do so much to hold the country together an that task on its on is very hard to do. Considering the size and diversity of the country's people

 

[Striderxdj]

The response is obviously do whatever the opposite of Obama says is, unless what he does/says works, then just mention obamacare and benghazi.

 

[SirDiddymus]

How about minding our own fucking business??? The west engages in illegal wars for oil, we really shouldn

 

[Tseren**]

How about minding our own fucking business??? The west engages in illegal wars for oil, we really shouldn

 

[ZroC]

lol what? That probably cut the population in half.



China will destroy itself over time. Not many people understand that china's greatest threat is itself. A lot of people have hard no's for china and Russia. Beijing can only do so much to hold the country together an that task on its on is very hard to do. Considering the size and diversity of the country's people

The trouble tends to come from the "countries or states" they're occupying e.g Tibet. Even during the Tienanmen protests the people never wanted to really throw out communism, they wanted to reform it. To them Communism is their path to democracy. This could be seen back during the protests, as one of the biggest demands they were making was to get better food in their communes. They had no intention of throwing it out. And as we've discussed here before, revolutions tend to happen when the people are really struggling. Even if their government is corrupt they won't do anything about it while they're eating like fat pigs. The reality is the Chinese have probably never had it better than they do now.

While Tibetan culture does get suppressed, you have to keep in mind that life under the religious order before communism was much worse. At least these days people are more equal, they're free to open their own stores, and they get to eat. The Chinese also brought in medicine. So even if Tibetans are suppressed culturally (for example China saying they control reincarnation) the Tibetans know they're living well, and so long as people are living well there won't be any major change.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Knock on China's door and tell them that Russia has been talking behind their back saying they have little dicks. Then go to Russia, knock on their door and tell them China says they are racist. Spread rumors about how either one says they could beat the other in a fight.

 

[weed]

sell them Blu Rays of Kanye & Kim's wedding, with Jaden smith in the white knight costume.


they gon' git jeeyelous.

 

[IGIT]

hello MadSquabbles,

If we are going to do anything, we are going to have to wright the ship at home, and make some more useful allies,

so on one hand you'd like the POTUS to turn his attentions inward, to the nation, but at the same time we withdraw from the world stage you want him to make "useful allies"?

Leaving Israel to the wolves would be one of the things that need to happen first.

i'm sure the folks at the State Department consider Israel very much a useful ally.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

China's and Russia's actions are themselves a response to American over-involvement in China's and Russia's backyards.

Imagine China starts stirring shit up in Mexico, America does something about it, and then the Chinese ask themselves -"what are we going to do about this?"

hello Tseren,

so then you agree that Mr. Obama's cautious and restrained response to China and Russia is the most prudent course of action?

- IGIT