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what is best running shoes?

Once you found the brand and model that works for you, better stock up before they stopped production or they update. Unless the guide model hasn't changed that much with every iteration.

Exactly. I stocked up on Guide 14s a few years ago and still use them. The 17s were released last year and it sounds like they're great but I'm perfectly happy with my stash of 14s. I'll probably move on to the 17s/18s in a year or two.
 
Really depends on your needs. Vomeros are quite popular for serious runners.
Oh, I'm sure they still put out tons of stuff for elite runners, that is the very foundation of the company, after all, I'm just saying, when I go to their website, now, unlike then, I see a shitload of shoes catering to this market, like all the Air Max classic running shoe lines, I guess which double for the retro fashion effect, and these new models that have Zoom Air cushioning stacked as thick as old double-pocketed Airmax basketball shoes. It appears to me they adapted after seeing how companies like New Balance and Saucony (and it looks like maybe Brooks?) have done so well with people just casually trying to stay fit. But I don't know for sure. I'd have to ask a sneakerhead.
 
Oh, I'm sure they still put out tons of stuff for elite runners, that is the very foundation of the company, after all, I'm just saying, when I go to their website, now, unlike then, I see a shitload of shoes catering to this market, like all the Air Max classic running shoe lines, I guess which double for the retro fashion effect, and these new models that have Zoom Air cushioning stacked as thick as old double-pocketed Airmax basketball shoes. It appears to me they adapted after seeing how companies like New Balance and Saucony (and it looks like maybe Brooks?) have done so well with people just casually trying to stay fit. But I don't know for sure. I'd have to ask a sneakerhead.
I have a pair of airmax for casual wear and tried running in them. They're bad. On the flipside, my lunarlons were fantastic. Nike mostly caters to casuals and collectors nowadays. Serious runners probably go to physical stores to try out the models. And that's where Nike fuct up.

 
Exactly. I stocked up on Guide 14s a few years ago and still use them. The 17s were released last year and it sounds like they're great but I'm perfectly happy with my stash of 14s. I'll probably move on to the 17s/18s in a year or two.
You could check out Puma Foeverrun nitro which are stability shoes like Saucony guides. I've been looking at those but can't commit on a pair of quality running shoes since I'm also spending a lot on my bikes. Got me some duramo speed instead.
 
I have been using Asics for the last 15 years. I suspect though that they are too tight on the toes area. Thing is I have strange camel feet with beta ankles yet alpha wide feet.

I think I might go for sometjing with more room for toes next, while also not compromising stability on the heel area. Perhaps ON? I hear good things but I also suspect they are a bit gimicky. Maybe someone with an opinion can tell me.
 
I have been using Asics for the last 15 years. I suspect though that they are too tight on the toes area. Thing is I have strange camel feet with beta ankles yet alpha wide feet.

I think I might go for sometjing with more room for toes next, while also not compromising stability on the heel area. Perhaps ON? I hear good things but I also suspect they are a bit gimicky. Maybe someone with an opinion can tell me.
Just google running shoes with wide toe boxes. I picked the duramo speed for that simple reason. If I'm going for performance, I wouldn't be getting those.
 
Oh, I'm sure they still put out tons of stuff for elite runners, that is the very foundation of the company, after all, I'm just saying, when I go to their website, now, unlike then, I see a shitload of shoes catering to this market, like all the Air Max classic running shoe lines, I guess which double for the retro fashion effect, and these new models that have Zoom Air cushioning stacked as thick as old double-pocketed Airmax basketball shoes. It appears to me they adapted after seeing how companies like New Balance and Saucony (and it looks like maybe Brooks?) have done so well with people just casually trying to stay fit. But I don't know for sure. I'd have to ask a sneakerhead.

Maybe I've misinterpreted your post?

Hoka was the industry leader in excessive cushioning for runners then everybody copied them. At the time minimalist shoes were becoming popular then Hoka went the other direction. Excessive cushioning became popular because it allowed runners to do long runs and not feel too beat up the following day.

Nike has been the industry leader in carbon plated running shoes for elite runners. Still on top too, arguably. It's a niche area of their product line, which is predominantly fashion over function.
 
Maybe I've misinterpreted your post?

Hoka was the industry leader in excessive cushioning for runners then everybody copied them. At the time minimalist shoes were becoming popular then Hoka went the other direction. Excessive cushioning became popular because it allowed runners to do long runs and not feel too beat up the following day.

Nike has been the industry leader in carbon plated running shoes for elite runners. Still on top too, arguably. It's a niche area of their product line, which is predominantly fashion over function.
I think they call those recovery shoes now that every brand has a "hoka" equivalent.
 
Maybe I've misinterpreted your post?

Hoka was the industry leader in excessive cushioning for runners then everybody copied them. At the time minimalist shoes were becoming popular then Hoka went the other direction. Excessive cushioning became popular because it allowed runners to do long runs and not feel too beat up the following day.

Nike has been the industry leader in carbon plated running shoes for elite runners. Still on top too, arguably. It's a niche area of their product line, which is predominantly fashion over function.
When did Hoka start doing this? Because New Balance was already specializing in this, while also appealing to those who wanted domestic (USA) production, back in the late 90's, possibly earlier. That's when I first started getting them.
 
When did Hoka start doing this? Because New Balance was already specializing in this, while also appealing to those who wanted domestic (USA) production, back in the late 90's, possibly earlier. That's when I first started getting them.
New Balance may have started it but I don't think they were throwing 40mm + soles into the market, until Hoka came along. And New Balance is not a big brand outside of America, specifically in the running community. A bit like Nike in that they have been in the industry for so long that they are reaching to other (non-running) areas of the market. Isn't there a joke about New Balance being the shoe of choice for retirees?

A quick google search tells me Hoka was founded as recently as 2009, but they've certainly made a mark on the running shoe market in a very short time. I'd hazard a guess that you'll find them to be the most worn shoe at most ultra events, even in Asia. I did a 50k + in Korea last October and a bloody lot of runners were wearing them.

Personally, I tried a pair of Hoka and didn't like the stack height but more importantly and what turned me off was the lack of durability. I've had previous versions of the asics kayano that lasted me over 1000k. The hokas I had barely got half that. My more recent kayano haven't been as durable and at close to $300 they're losing my interest. I run between about 1500 and 2500k per year and I'm reluctant to spend $1000 a year on shoes.

As a result, the past year or two I've been hunting bargains and trying different brands - unfortunately asics is rarely on sale. I've tried saucony and salomon which are both decent enough. I also just bought 2 pairs of the very nice salomon s/lab genesis at half price, asics nimbus - while 25% off they were still close to $200 (impulse buy as i wanted to try nimbus) and a pair of New Balance 1080s. I just wait for sales and bulk buy. This batch along with my current rotation should last me 5 + years.
 
You could check out Puma Foeverrun nitro which are stability shoes like Saucony guides. I've been looking at those but can't commit on a pair of quality running shoes since I'm also spending a lot on my bikes. Got me some duramo speed instead.

I've never really bothered looking at Puma for running but they appear to be decent. I've never really strayed too far from Asics and Saucony. I also like the Guides because they've been pretty durable. I still average 27-30 miles a week and can average just a little over two pairs a year with no issues.

At some point, I'll probably test out some other brands just to see if there's anything I like. I'll keep those Pumas in mind.
 
Asics GT-2000 are my go-to.
But it's very personal thing. Like, literally. Different foot shape, running stride, body weight/composition, etc.

But Reebok absolutely sucks.
 
I had some really well reviewed Adidas, I forget the name, but they were too narrow. I tried sizing up, but then they just fit weird. I tried New Balances, also some popular model, but same thing. I guess I have somewhat wide feet. To me Saucony are the GOAT, they always fit perfectly. I tried the Ride and the Guide; liked both. I have to try Nike, Asics and Brooks sometime, but I have no reason to change for now. The Hokas look too stupid to me.
 
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Haven't quite found the shoe lace sweet spot. Loosened left shoe and feels ok. Loosened right shoe and still not quite ok.
 
With new shoe tech, I wonder if anyone makes a shoe that would make it so I could go jogging on hard surfaces.

I can jog through the trails mostly fine but if I ever try to do it on any surfaces too hard, it kills my knees and shins. I’m around 240 pounds. Always used to wear Asics in the past but I was younger then and a little lighter too. Our hockey team training indoors is hard on me.
 
With new shoe tech, I wonder if anyone makes a shoe that would make it so I could go jogging on hard surfaces.

I can jog through the trails mostly fine but if I ever try to do it on any surfaces too hard, it kills my knees and shins. I’m around 240 pounds. Always used to wear Asics in the past but I was younger then and a little lighter too. Our hockey team training indoors is hard on me.

Not sure but every decent brand typically has shoes that would be well-suited for heavier people. I'd search online. I've heard Hokas tend to be very comfortable with a ton of cushioning although I don't know how durable they are. You may also need orthotics.

Some running stores will also do a move precise fitting for you and will take videos etc.
 
Not sure but every decent brand typically has shoes that would be well-suited for heavier people. I'd search online. I've heard Hokas tend to be very comfortable with a ton of cushioning although I don't know how durable they are. You may also need orthotics.

Some running stores will also do a move precise fitting for you and will take videos etc.
I think I’m going to make a trip to the running room. It’s the only local (to me) running speciality place and I’m honestly way out of my element when it comes to this.

Previously, I’d just buy some high end shoes and do what I needed to do but as I get older, it’s harder. Thanks for your advice, I’ll do more digging. I don’t really care about cost if I can get comfortable.
 
I think I’m going to make a trip to the running room. It’s the only local (to me) running speciality place and I’m honestly way out of my element when it comes to this.

Previously, I’d just buy some high end shoes and do what I needed to do but as I get older, it’s harder. Thanks for your advice, I’ll do more digging. I don’t really care about cost if I can get comfortable.
Asics nimbuses and puma's magnify nitro 2 are popular choices.
 
I am a Brooks fan.

Glycerin shoes are really nice. You just have to wait for a sale.
$160 is alot of money.

Huge fan. I wear the GTS which have a little more weight to them but have full support so easier for sprints + make great work shoes if your job involves a lot of standing.

Hoka and Asic are the other 2 popular running shoe brands in my area as well. Lot of wealthy people in my area so they often will drop another $50-70 to upgrade inserts as well.
 
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