What happens when diversity wins and the minorities are the solid majority?

What is going to happen when minority groups become solid majorities in Western countries?


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It might be a metaphorical fall of Rome. It won't be anything spectacular, the fall was slow, driven by internal factors. Ideology is a problem. The Marxist-types are useless, maladapted to society, have no standards for themselves, take pride in being victims, can't think rationally. They'll never be able to administer anything. Millennials are receptive or already indoctrinated to this school of thinking. Europe has gone crazy, accepting millions of migrants who hate them, rampant self-hate, suppressing of crimes by migrants, targeting their own citizens with imaginary hate crimes. The western world is becoming irrational, unpatriotic, weak, spineless, lacking common sense, lacking cohesion, lacking pride, can't look after their own self-interests, can't protect their own citizens. A society can't maintain itself when manned by a group of people like that. A lot can change in say, 100 years, but for now not looking good.

And despite the little push back via Brexit and Trump for more nationalist policies, I don't see a legitimate movement being started that would curve the wave of demographics going against those ideas.
 
Why are White Americans so pessimistic about their Country's Leadership and future? The way I see it, not specifically "White", but the broader term "Caucasoid" race are on top of society, they will always be on top. They are/will be the rulers of the World. Globalization is happening and is taking over the World, it is a Western thing, it's an American thing, it's a .....White thing.

The Caucasoids who will rule the future are not white European Germanic derived people.

They are Middle Easterners, and the various sub-racial groups. And or they are East baltoids, and Dinars who populate South Eastern Europe and countries like Russia.
 
Why are White Americans so pessimistic about their Country's Leadership and future? The way I see it, not specifically "White", but the broader term "Caucasoid" race are on top of society, they will always be on top. They are/will be the rulers of the World. Globalization is happening and is taking over the World, it is a Western thing, it's an American thing, it's a .....White thing.

The problem is that just by virtue of their ecological environment post African exodus, they're much less concerned with in/out group conflict than any other ethnicity, which effectively has opened the door to their vulnerability.
 
I have consistently been saying that the threat to Western Values is mainly coming from white leftists. A large percentage of which are white women.

The threat is coming from movements that explicitly reject Western values, like the alt right that support ethnonationalism, reject limited gov't, and tribalism, and generally are similar to the traditional enemies of western values (from the ancien regime, to the Confederacy, to the Axis Powers).

What do you think of the way Soros is demonized for promoting Western values in nations where they are not dominant?
 
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It might be a metaphorical fall of Rome. It won't be anything spectacular, the fall was slow, driven by internal factors. Ideology is a problem. The Marxist-types are useless, maladapted to society, have no standards for themselves, take pride in being victims, can't think rationally. They'll never be able to administer anything. Millennials are receptive or already indoctrinated to this school of thinking. Europe has gone crazy, accepting millions of migrants who hate them, rampant self-hate, suppressing of crimes by migrants, targeting their own citizens with imaginary hate crimes. The western world is becoming irrational, unpatriotic, weak, spineless, lacking common sense, lacking cohesion, lacking pride, can't look after their own self-interests, can't protect their own citizens. A society can't maintain itself when manned by a group of people like that. A lot can change in say, 100 years, but for now not looking good.
Sounds like you're rallying for a race war or something, so powerful these words:)
 
And despite the little push back via Brexit and Trump for more nationalist policies, I don't see a legitimate movement being started that would curve the wave of demographics going against those ideas.

Yeah because my generation seems intent on electing someone like Justin Trudeau. My generation wants open borders for America (overwhelmingly so).

Also interesting is that the foreign exchange students i know from Asia all think their countries should remain majority and racially homogenous. And think Jobs should go first to their own people. However, they think America should belong to everyone and that America should not reserve jobs for Americans first.


It is truly interesting how they hold these view points.
 
The threat is coming from movements that explicitly reject Western values, like the alt right that support ethnonationalism, reject limited gov't, and tribalism, and generally are similar to the traditional enemies of western values (from the ancien regime, to the Confederacy, to the Axis Powers).

Oh no doubt this is true but you cannot deny that the majority of the nonwhite world is also against traditional liberal western values. I'd argue you are a racist and ignorant as hell if you think 90% of the world behaves like Canada or its leaders do.

The far left is also allowing and enabling the importation of people hostile to Western values. I say this as an immigrant myself with immigrant parents. It is undeniable that in some countries like France, the UK, and Sweden and now Germany large swarms of people who are not liberal and will not adopt the liberal way are now creating parallel communities within these nations.


It is also a fact that Saudi Arabia helps fund the creation of mosques in European countries and helps promote the spread of Wahhabism. @MicroBrew can fill you in more on these observable truths.
 
Oh no doubt this is true but you cannot deny that the majority of the nonwhite world is also against traditional liberal western values. I'd argue you are a racist and ignorant as hell if you think 90% of the world behaves like Canada or its leaders do.

The far left is also allowing and enabling the importation of people hostile to Western values. I say this as an immigrant myself with immigrant parents. It is undeniable that in some countries like France, the UK, and Sweden and now Germany large swarms of people who are not liberal and will not adopt the liberal way are now creating parallel communities within these nations.


It is also a fact that Saudi Arabia helps fund the creation of mosques in European countries and helps promote the spread of Wahhabism. @MicroBrew can fill you in more on these observable truths.

You're worried about a quarter of a percent of the population when the U.S. just elected someone who is hostile to Western values as president, with the aid of an authoritarian Eastern regime.
 
I find it amazing that the irrational fear of everything non-white still persists after centuries.
 
The threat is coming from movements that explicitly reject Western values, like the alt right that support ethnonationalism, reject limited gov't, and tribalism, and generally are similar to the traditional enemies of western values (from the ancien regime, to the Confederacy, to the Axis Powers).

That alt-right rejects limited government? That is not true at all. Many on the alt-right support limited government, limits on immigration and limits on corporatism. They also support timeless values like self-responsibility, manners, restraint, community, family and strong work ethic.

Jack Donovan (a gay man) gives excellent insight into the the thoughts and beliefs of many on the alt-right.

 
You're worried about a quarter of a percent of the population when the U.S. just elected someone who is hostile to Western values as president, with the aid of an authoritarian Eastern regime.

Yes the mass immigration and importation of Muslims and third world immigrants are "western values" I'm sure that's exactly what America's founding father's had in mind when they formed the country.
 
Well, I guess the U.K. needs to have more strict immigrantion laws? Im all for that, if you dont want to come to a country and learn their way, fuck off! I see a ton of this in california; god damn spanish is almost a first language in certain areas. Can you imagine if we went into Mexico, and said, guess what, you all need to do things my way and speak English? I would feel like a dick.
People gimme dirty looks in L.A. when I speak English...as if I've offended them.
 
You're worried about a quarter of a percent of the population when the U.S. just elected someone who is hostile to Western values as president, with the aid of an authoritarian Eastern regime.

We are being attacked from both sides is my argument.

And I don't care if minorities collectively speaking become a majority and move against liberal values.

Things change all the time. I'd prefer western values remain the norm but if they don't not much I can do and I will just go along and continue to live my life or maybe move.
 
The problem is that just by virtue of their ecological environment post African exodus, they're much less concerned with in/out group conflict than any other ethnicity, which effectively has opened the door to their vulnerability.
For a Society or Country to become stronger, and grow, it has to look vulnerable to not only "foreigners" but its' "nationals" as well. One must recognize it's own mistake to correct it right?
The Caucasoids who will rule the future are not white European Germanic derived people.

They are Middle Easterners, and the various sub-racial groups. And or they are East baltoids, and Dinars who populate South Eastern Europe and countries like Russia.
You can say that White european/Germanic, and the rest of the racial groups you listed are sub-groups of the "Caucasoid race". The Caucasoid race are so diverse it ranges in a palette of color, but they all have one thing in common, and that is distinct bone structure and physical characteristics that sets them apart from the "Mongoloid" and "Negroid" race.
 
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This is hilarious considering what just happened. The threat to Western values is not coming from minorities. Trump explicitly rejected Western values and won the presidency (and minority groups were a large part of the pro-American opposition). And other politicians in the West have tried the same (Le Pen, Farage, etc.).

lol, this is flat out retarded as usual for you
he never rejected democracy or free enterprise or the constitution

please get out of here with your bullshit
 
So I’m sitting here in a library and across the way and some girl is watching Laci Green videos and vlogs about how racist Trump is, and it got me thinking… What exactly do people think is going to happen if minority groups with notably different value sets than those we are used to in the Liberal Western world are no longer a minority? If we look at places around the world that these people often come from, where they are the majority and their values the norm we’ll see, all but across the board, regimes which by the standards of the Liberal West are *abhorrent*. From the many corners of Africa, to the Middle East, and many places in Asia, there are unchallenged laws and popularly and publicly held opinions that, in many of the countries we hail from, support of which would be immediate grounds for firing, social shaming, etc. Yet, paradoxically, we push multiculturalism and diversity as some of the greatest virtues of our society – so, I’m curious, what do Sherdoggers think is going to happen when those minority groups become the solid majority that controls policy?

This is the question for people on the left and right alike, though I think I have a pretty good idea about where you all stand. Flesh it out for us though – what do you expect to happen when the majority is composed of people representing cultures that, in their own countries, have enforced policies and widely hold views that many of you would immediately denounce your next door neighbors for support of.

Also, some food for thought..

More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.”

We must embrace other cultures and respect their ways - or must be quash such backwards views and impose our more enlightened culture upon the barbarians in concert with the ways of our colonialist heritage? Only once they have rejected their own core values and accepted our more correct ones will we have true diversity.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/index.html


Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance towards homosexual acts compared to their counterparts in France and Germany, according to a survey published today.

The Gallup poll features the results of telephone and face-to-face interviews with Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK, France and Germany and is designed to measure global attitudes towards people from different faith traditions.”

Can we expect the values we have fought long and hard for to fall prey to the bigotry of the people we have, in our rush to not be bigots ourselves, allowed to build their pulpits and strongholds in our homelands? When their votes are the majority, what will they vote to make the standards of our land?

The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. 1,001 non-Muslim Britons were interviewed.”

Or can we expect their cultures to bend to what we deem acceptable through education in assimilation – and only when their backwards cultures bow to ours, as has been the way of elitist colonial mindsets throughout European history, will we be able to declare that “multiculturalism” has won?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

"He said non-Muslims would be welcome to move into his project of prefabricated homes, but they would have to share the values of their Muslim neighbours.

“You don’t drive drunk on the street. If you want to drink alcohol, you drink it in your house,” he said. Women could choose whether to wear the headscarf but they could not walk around in a halter-top and shorts.

“There must be some modesty in the way you dress. We don’t want women living there going half-naked down the streets. We don’t like that,” he said. “If they want to do that, let them go and live in downtown Montreal.”


Will they form cloistered communities in which they will create replicas of their own countries, proudly espousing policies and philosophies that we would immediately denounce our neighbors as bigots for even hinting at? Diversity will be "letting their views that we find abhorrent thrive - just in that neighborhood over there" as they look out at us in the same way?

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/muslim-housing-development-proposed-for-montreal.3400043/

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ontreal-is-discrimination-quebec-premier-says

Seriously, we're on the verge of whites in America becoming less than half the voter base, and if birth and immigration rates around the world are any indicator, the cultures that masterminded the enlightened, Western, Liberal democracies around the globe will be outnumbered in their own countries within our lifetime. What do the two deathly opposed sides of this see happening when your children and their children are growing old?

Also, just to be clear, while my examples are focusing on Muslims, this is not solely a Muslims VS the West phenomenon. Groups from all corners of the world will be knocking on your doors, not just from the Middle East.
To me, it's not minorities vs. whites. It's big government vs. small government. If he people who want more spending on social programs outgrow capitalist minded people, it will drag our society down. Full blown socialism would sink us. It's an ideology war, not a race war.
 
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