What happens when diversity wins and the minorities are the solid majority?

[Benjamin Burton]

there are plenty of countries where minorities are the majority and run the country... which of those looks like a pleasant place to live?

 

[68W Man]

We're all "demographically replaced" eventually one day. We all get phased out of existence. Why does it matter what race replaces you? Passing on the correct ideology to the next generation and living out the rest of your days under democratic and capitalist government seems more important to me than what race makes up the demographic.

Because people tend to want to pass their bloodline and genes down and aren't exactly excited about realizing that their children or grandchildren will have no future in the country that they served or helped build.

Do you really think that the future of countries like France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, England are going to be better when no French, Italian, German, Swedish or English people exist anymore and the country is next going to be run by a bunch of Paki or Afghani or Somalian Muslims?

Do you see the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Saudi's, Israeli's, Africans, Mexicans getting excited and intentionally pursuing policies that will make it so they won't exist in their own countries anymore?

See, @ehtheist and @Devout Pessimist? The point of view expressed in this post is completely antithetical to Western values and the prevalence of it is one of the greatest threats we're facing. It's a common view throughout history and around the world, and one of the great and defining innovations of the West (obviously, you can really trace it to Athens, but that's one of the main inspirations for Western values) is to reject it.

In the past year, we've witnessed angry mobs at political rallies chanting for the arrest of a political opponent who was cleared of any wrong-doing, and the next president saying that an American judge can't be impartial because of his ethnicity, promising to change laws to allow him to sue the press, promoting an unscientific and conspiratorial view of climate change and medicine, and proposing to have the gov't register people based on their religion, among many other things. The threat to our way of life is real and right at the doorstep (the political battle is no longer over who the rightful heirs to our political tradition are and is now over whether that tradition should be rejected or not), while you guys are worrying about irrelevant and powerless kids or minority groups that have been on the frontlines of battling to defend Western values.

Here's another example:



The argument is that we can't afford to maintain Western values--that we need to fight fire with fire. This despite the total dominance of the West and hundreds of years of proof that Western values are the best ones.

This mass immigration into Western countries is a relatively new phenomenon it is not "Western values" the USA which is "multi-cultural" for around the first 200 years of it's history had very strict immigration laws and was not importing in mass third world immigrants. The majority of the immigrants were from Western Europe and had Western European values.

In Western European countries they were much, much stricter on immigration as well. Western values has always been aligned with fighting against Islam as well, if you look into the history of Southern European countries.


Also the fact that this crisis of demographic replacement could potentially happen is proof that the so called "progressive" "western values" that you cherish have a major con and it is weakness and that it will be replaced by a much stronger more united group. Abortion, homosexual rights, the lack of family values, contraceptives, this all lowers the birth rate, a lack of national identity and ethnic identity causes people to not care about their group and when you import a tribalist group who has much higher birth rates and does not assimilate, and a much stronger and stricter background they will eventually out number you and replace you and replace the culture and laws and values and morals that you had.

 

[RhinoRush]

This is hilarious considering what just happened. The threat to Western values is not coming from minorities. Trump explicitly rejected Western values and won the presidency (and minority groups were a large part of the pro-American opposition). And other politicians in the West have tried the same (Le Pen, Farage, etc.).

Maybe what you think of as western values is actually just fucking insane.

 

[68W Man]

Maybe what you think of as western values is actually just fucking insane.

To him western values is Islamic immigration, "diversity" ( non Western people ), affirmative action, Communism, and LGBT rights. All Marxist inventions that the West only took seriously or followed for the last 50 years. Supposedly these values are more important and more Western compared to the values and traditions that Western Europeans had for the last 500+ years.

He is a cultural marxist through and through.

 

[Jack V Savage]

To him western values is Islamic immigration, "diversity" ( non Western people ), affirmative action, Communism, and LGBT rights. All Marxist inventions that the West only took seriously or followed for the last 50 years. Supposedly these values are more important and more Western compared to the values and traditions that Western Europeans had for the last 500+ years.

He is a cultural marxist through and through.

Er, no. If you want to know what someone's views are, it's best to just ask, especially if you're completely clueless.

 

[helltoupee]

I don't know what you mean by stagnation, but separation and evolution are. In fact, they have a causal relationship.

Diversity and variation are necessary for evolution.

 

[68W Man]

Diversity and variation are necessary for evolution.

Diversity literally only means no straight white Christian males in the west.

Straight white Christian Males are what built the west and turned it into the place where the rest of the world wants to immigrate into.

Diversity will only destroy the West, and will devolve it into a third world country most likely resembling modern day Afghanistan.

 

[RIPWarrior]

Because people tend to want to pass their bloodline and genes down and aren't exactly excited about realizing that their children or grandchildren will have no future in the country that they served or helped build.

Do you really think that the future of countries like France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, England are going to be better when no French, Italian, German, Swedish or English people exist anymore and the country is next going to be run by a bunch of Paki or Afghani or Somalian Muslims?

Do you see the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Saudi's, Israeli's, Africans, Mexicans getting excited and intentionally pursuing policies that will make it so they won't exist in their own countries anymore?




This mass immigration into Western countries is a relatively new phenomenon it is not "Western values" the USA which is "multi-cultural" for around the first 200 years of it's history had very strict immigration laws and was not importing in mass third world immigrants. The majority of the immigrants were from Western Europe and had Western European values.

In Western European countries they were much, much stricter on immigration as well. Western values has always been aligned with fighting against Islam as well, if you look into the history of Southern European countries.


Also the fact that this crisis of demographic replacement could potentially happen is proof that the so called "progressive" "western values" that you cherish have a major con and it is weakness and that it will be replaced by a much stronger more united group. Abortion, homosexual rights, the lack of family values, contraceptives, this all lowers the birth rate, a lack of national identity and ethnic identity causes people to not care about their group and when you import a tribalist group who has much higher birth rates and does not assimilate, and a much stronger and stricter background they will eventually out number you and replace you and replace the culture and laws and values and morals that you had.

There it is folks, and very well articulated.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Do you see the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Saudi's, Israeli's, Africans, Mexicans getting excited and intentionally pursuing policies that will make it so they won't exist in their own countries anymore?

See, what you're saying is that non-Western countries don't share Western values, and they are superior because of it. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are asserting that Western values are deficient and that we should reject them. But if you look at the record, Western values (and the institutions created by them) are immeasurably superior to others. And to the extent that people agree with you, that is the threat that Western values are facing. @Devout Pessimist

In Western European countries they were much, much stricter on immigration as well. Western values has always been aligned with fighting against Islam as well, if you look into the history of Southern European countries.

Part of the problem may be that you don't seem to know what "values" even are. What does Enlightenment Universalism mean to you?

 

[68W Man]

See, what you're saying is that non-Western countries don't share Western values, and they are superior because of it. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are asserting that Western values are deficient and that we should reject them. But if you look at the record, Western values (and the institutions created by them) are immeasurably superior to others. And to the extent that people agree with you, that is the threat that Western values are facing. @Devout Pessimist



Part of the problem may be that you don't seem to know what "values" even are. What does Enlightenment Universalism mean to you?

Western countries did not have that mass immigration until recently. Thus that is not a "western value", because as well this is a recent situation we have not fully seen the cons of having countries lost or western people becoming minorities in their own countries yet as a result of it. We have seen neighborhoods, and cities drastically change for the worse but we are still at the starting phases. It will be a few generations away and if these "progressive" policies do not change, you will see the downfall which will be that in Europe you will see Arabic Muslims taking over not just one city, but the entire country.

 

[helltoupee]

Germany would still be a superpower with or without the Nuremberg Laws .. it reached its greatness with an overwhelming white majority .. that must burn you I guess .. probably would be even more advanced by now as well ..

as for your worthless racist baiting buzzwords, take that shit somewhere else .. that shit is static noise to me .. Germany was an overwhelmingly Aryan country .. and there was nothing wrong with that as much as you idiots try to imply it was .. nor is there anything wrong with wanting to keep it that way

Fixed that for ya.

I am part Native American on my mother's side, and part German on my father's side, of which I can trace my heritage to arriving in this country in the late 1600's. I have family that has spilt blood in every major war this country has ever seen. My guess is that we have been here a lot longer than your filthy immigrant ass, so why don't you pack up your shit and leave, since we were here first. "We were great without you, and we'd like to keep it that way".

The ideas you expouse are not only hypocritical, given that your family were immigrants as well, but form a dangerous slippery slope. You might have better luck with your "whites only" veiled language at Stormfront. Or why don't you just step into the light and let us all know what you are so afraid of. The world has moved on. Shit and fall back into it - it seems to be what you are good at.

 

[helltoupee]

Diversity literally only means no straight white Christian males in the west.

Straight white Christian Males are what built the west and turned it into the place where the rest of the world wants to immigrate into.

Diversity will only destroy the West, and will devolve it into a third world country most likely resembling modern day Afghanistan.

You sound anti-American bro

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

 

[68W Man]

You sound anti-American bro

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

That was written by a Jewish poet in the late 1800's. The immigration laws that existed in this country from the Founding Father's onward to the 1965 immigration act that were a part of this country for almost the first 200 years were very clear.

 

[helltoupee]

That was written by a Jewish poet in the late 1800's. The immigration laws that existed in this country from the Founding Father's onward to the 1965 immigration act that were a part of this country for almost the first 200 years were very clear.

So how in the hell did you get here then?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Western countries did not have that mass immigration until recently.

They still haven't, immigration of any size is not a value, and it has nothing to do with this discussion. One can favor immigration levels of X, <X, or >X without contradicting Western values.

 

[68W Man]

They still haven't, immigration of any size is not a value, and it has nothing to do with this discussion. One can favor immigration levels of X, <X, or >X without contradicting Western values.

With "progressive values" if you oppose mass third world immigration, or Islamic immigration you are a "racist", "bigot", "xenophobe". This mass immigration will change and destroy western values, so the only way to preserve western values is to fix your immigration laws. This would include the limitation of non-western immigration to a level that is sustainable where people will have to and be forced into assimilation into the west.

So how in the hell did you get here then?

Was born here.

 

[Gandhi]

Nothing will happen. Poor people will act like poor people, rich people will act like rich people.

Middle class people who are in the majority will insist that poor minorities have character defects. Middle class people who are minorities will insist that poor minorities are no different from poor majorities.

No I'm telling you it is 4, barbaric practices come over and that's a good thing. Yeah def 4. Liberals for Barbaric practices FTW, derp, derp, derp.

 

[Harmonica]

ugh

Just what is she trying to say here? That men are somehow making it their business? How come?

 

[Gandhi]

That alt-right rejects limited government? That is not true at all. Many on the alt-right support limited government, limits on immigration and limits on corporatism. They also support timeless values like self-responsibility, manners, restraint, community, family and strong work ethic.

Jack Donovan (a gay man) gives excellent insight into the the thoughts and beliefs of many on the alt-right.

Yeah there may be some disgruntled Ron Paul types who stumbled their way through the Internet to their true homes via 4chan to the alt right, but natural conervatives are concerned with enforcing morality and defending ethnicity, not limited government or market principals.

 

[Quipling]

That alt-right rejects limited government? That is not true at all. Many on the alt-right support limited government, limits on immigration and limits on corporatism. They also support timeless values like self-responsibility, manners, restraint, community, family and strong work ethic.

Jack Donovan (a gay man) gives excellent insight into the the thoughts and beliefs of many on the alt-right.

You're confusing "limiting government" and "limited government." Limited immigration requires government intervention. This is really shoddy equivocation on your part.