What happened to Werdum?

The same that would've happened to RDA if he fought Conor @ 196.
 
Moezao said:
It's a pretty graph or whatever this is. But honestly, means nothing.

The only champion you could make a case of being affected by USADA is Aldo. And even so, the fight ended so quickly that it's hard to make such a statement, we didn't see much other than Rogan making such a big deal of Aldo's body.

Weidman might have had a long enough reign to make an argument, but he only fought almost 40 year old men prior to Rockhold. And I'd say he even benefitted from rule changes as he got to fight a TRTless Belfort, a shadow of the beast he once was.

Unless you think Ronda was juicing, there are no other champions that had enough title defenses that lost out of a sudden.
Dos Anjos, someone that was accused of using PEDs by sherdog constantly, came out as the same beast as before. Lawler fought the same way he always fought, gritty as fuck.

So all of that mean shit. Titles change hands. Some faster than others.

I do agree that some guys like Pettis and Hendricks had sudden falls in performance at the same time as USADA kicked in. But that is far from enough evidence to say USADA actually had a factor in it.
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If you actually read my post then you would have understood why I did it (Because people keep saying all these champions lost since usada so i decided t lay it out graphically as its easier to spot things sometimes like that - and when i did it I had no idea going in if it would back up the usada theory or not - we dont always do things to back up our point of view, we do things to help us picture something better.) and if you read my post i also said that in many ways it goes against the USADA theory because actually,when you see it graphically, reigns start, reigns end and it was all on the surface jut natural end of eras starts of new ones.

So if you read what I said then you would have realised I was arguing against the USADA theory (as you are, and on very much that basis) as opposed to just looking at the image and assuming why i did it and what my point was.

The chart wasnt meant to demonstrate anything, it was an easier way of looking at the title lineage and seeing i there was this big "usada" changing of everything. In many ways , actually, it demonstrates the "usada" changing everything is a misconception.. which was very much the point of the graphic when I set out, to either back up, or oppose the myth.

Purely on title handovers there is nothing to demonstrate it a clear USADA thing..



That said, I think Ronda and Lawler were the two in particular that looked like shit post USADA. Ronda was a shell of her former self, and Lawler against Condit was nothing like the Lawler we had seen before.
 
HIMBOB said:
See thats not what happened here.

This wasn't a cardio machine getting tired this was a calculated assassin deciding to charge at an opponent in total disregard to his own safety.
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Actually how can anyone not see the obvious patterns of "reinvented fighters", way past their physical prime, coming in more aggressive and durable than ever. Beating guys like never before? Now fading back to their previous selves. Gimme a fucking break, you gullible fucking children.
 
Jackonfire said:
People implying Werdum is different post USADA are basically saying Stipe couldn't have won otherwise. People saying Werdum made a stupid mistake must also conclude Stipe was able to capitalize on said mistake.

But its more likely that all the champs you mentioned who are now losing are doing so because they are fighting the best of the best. And in some cases have been fighting the best of the best for years now. The USADA excuse is just lazy.
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Well here's an idea. Get a little distance between your nose and the screen. That way you may just start seeing a picture. Not merely random pixels.
 
dimspace said:
If you actually read my post then you would have understood why I did it (Because people keep saying all these champions lost since usada so i decided t lay it out graphically as its easier to spot things sometimes like that - and when i did it I had no idea going in if it would back up the usada theory or not - we dont always do things to back up our point of view, we do things to help us picture something better.) and if you read my post i also said that in many ways it goes against the USADA theory because actually,when you see it graphically, reigns start, reigns end and it was all on the surface jut natural end of eras starts of new ones.

So if you read what I said then you would have realised I was arguing against the USADA theory (as you are, and on very much that basis) as opposed to just looking at the image and assuming why i did it and what my point was.

The chart wasnt meant to demonstrate anything, it was an easier way of looking at the title lineage and seeing i there was this big "usada" changing of everything. In many ways , actually, it demonstrates the "usada" changing everything is a misconception.. which was very much the point of the graphic when I set out, to either back up, or oppose the myth.

Purely on title handovers there is nothing to demonstrate it a clear USADA thing..



That said, I think Ronda and Lawler were the two in particular that looked like shit post USADA. Ronda was a shell of her former self, and Lawler against Condit was nothing like the Lawler we had seen before.
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Hahahha sorry then, mate. I was at work and I guess when I saw the pretty graphs I forgot to read the rest of the post. We're pretty much on the same page, then.

As for Ronda and Lawler. Ronda just found someone with a good enough gameplan to capitalize on he over agressive style. Someone with timing and good punching technique, she never had someone like that before.
Lawler, imo, fought like Lawler. Condit is one hell of a fighter and it was a battle. That's his style.

Oh, and nice graphs.
 
Joe-Buck said:
Actually how can anyone not see the obvious patterns of "reinvented fighters", way past their physical prime, coming in more aggressive and durable than ever. Beating guys like never before? Now fading back to their previous selves. Gimme a fucking break, you gullible fucking children.
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When was Werdum durable?

And what reinvention?

I may be gullible but i aint making shit up.
 
Ibm said:
He got caught by a hard hitter. Werdume is still a better fighter though and would win 8/10 times. He got unlucky.
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Delusional.

Werdum got caught because he underestimated Stipe, but he probably would have lost anyway. On the feet Stipe is better, as a lot of us here have been saying. Werdum has the advantage on the ground, but Stipe has the advantage standing.
 
Sinthesized said:
People keep saying Overeem, but conveniently forget that was 10 years ago when Overeem had next to no ground game. Overeem came back and picked him apart for an easy win.

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You're new to MMA aren't you? Overeem had a great ground game 10 years ago.
 
discrawg said:
Yeah I wonder that too
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It was pretty obvious that Doom didn't take stipe seriously. Too many clues.

* Endless Troll Faces
* He had Werdum Masks made and was banding them out for the event
* came in fat and obviously didn't train enough
* shitty reckless gameplan

Too much Hubris.
 
I agree with your analysis. I think he was counting on Stipe moving straight back instead of to the side. He hits hard, but his footwork is really underrated IMO.
 
He was actually winning the fight until he went full retard and chased Stipe. Ronda was losing her fight from start to finish. That's what makes this loss really bad. Werdum should have just stuck to what he was doing. Land some low kicks, punches and win rounds. Werdums stand up looks sloppy but it's oddly effective. All in part thanks to not fearing the take down. He chased Stipe after he was hurt, thinking Stipe was hurt when Stipe wasn't. Ugh. This is like 2 mistakes in 1.
 
Dimspace, your graphic clearly prooves that there's no reliable causality between USADA and new reign of champs.

Edit: Oh ok, sorry, i didn't read till your last post!
 
I thought stipe was to big and fast for werdum, who was never known for his speed . I think werdum felt this early in the fight and should have stayed patient. Werdum didn't know how to fight stipe.
 
He lost composure. Honestly, I meditate every morning just so i'm alert when I go about my day. It amazes me sometimes how guys can enter the Octagon and act like a complete fool. If you watch a guy like Jon Jones his Octagon entrance is the same every time. It's a ritual and it's meditative for him. Back to Werdum, this guy was just making that stupid troll face and his mind wasn't on Stipe. He didn't take him seriously and lost his composure in there once he realized that he had to fight him. His process from locker room to Octagon and settling into the first round was not that of a champion. That's what stood out to me and in my opinion why he lost.
 
"What happened to Werdum?"........I heard he doesn't even have a movement coach!!!
 
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