What happened to Werdum?

He got knocked the fuck out.

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I wonder if he really took Stipe seriously. Also, his nice winning streak might have prevented him from improving and finding the reasons to do so.
 
discrawg said:
So I think we all agree that charging straight at a good boxer is not a smart game plan, a lesson that generously gifted to us by Ronda.
Now, if this is common knowledge to us as sherdoggers, then it would be extremely naive to even entertain the thought that the former Heavyweight UFC champion was unaware of this.

So how did this happen? What was Fabricio's game plan? Keep in mind that it wasn't a split second mistake, Werdum was charging straight at Stipe over and over.

I personally think he wanted to work in the clinch, more than just getting a takedown specifically. He did take a half hearted shot at one stage, but it looks to me like that was just to set up strikes.

My opinion is that he wanted the clinch, and decided to get there by charging at Stipe and forcing him into it, rather that setting it up and being patient.
He knew Stipe wanted to stay in boxing range, so while underestimating the challengers hands, Werdum was over confident, (almost cocky) and tried to force a clinch without any respect for the consequences.

Thoughts?
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Too much cock. I agree with you, I think the real goal was to get to the thai clinch, he seems to favor that a lot lately.
It was ill advised, but that right came out of nowhere. It could have been different if he did get the clinch.
 
He face a better fighter.

Werdum always has hole in his Striking, Stipe expose that.
 
A couple of days before the fight he was talking about how Bigfoot got rocked and finished, and that he himself has avoided this due to his "self defense classes". Yet he does the same thing; running in on a taller guy, one that is known for having fast hands... I was shocked that he took that approach, he probably wanted to back him up thinking he could get the clinch against the cage and knee him up and take him down from there.
 
He charged at an experienced guy with his face up in the air. He didn't get desperate, he wasn't getting pressured by Stipe, he wasn't hurt bad, he just ate a jab, and decided being over aggressive would compensate being unable to execute his plan.
 
I believe some people are making this "complicated" for themselves and others. I believe he lost due to the simple fact that he fought quite "reckless" and tried to charge at a fighter whose boxing is crisp. And while charging at him with front body going forward with legs trailing behind, got caught by two sharp jabs.

I also believe, like some here, that he was "too over-confidant" while in his hometown as well. One can make the argument that certain Brazilian fighters tend to be this way.
 
From what I saw he looked bewildered in there, and he didn't take the fight seriously. Watching him during the walk-out and while Buffer was announcing he actually looked a bit nervous and overwhelmed, possibly from the long layoff and the immense amount of pressure defending his belt in home soil.

He didn't fight smart, or patient, he struggled with his timing with Miocic and then after getting clipped looked like he wanted revenge and got very sloppy with his running forward.
 
the altitude was too low, high altitude Werdum is still undefeated
 
discrawg said:
So I think we all agree that charging straight at a good boxer is not a smart game plan, a lesson that generously gifted to us by Ronda.
Now, if this is common knowledge to us as sherdoggers, then it would be extremely naive to even entertain the thought that the former Heavyweight UFC champion was unaware of this.

So how did this happen? What was Fabricio's game plan? Keep in mind that it wasn't a split second mistake, Werdum was charging straight at Stipe over and over.

I personally think he wanted to work in the clinch, more than just getting a takedown specifically. He did take a half hearted shot at one stage, but it looks to me like that was just to set up strikes.

My opinion is that he wanted the clinch, and decided to get there by charging at Stipe and forcing him into it, rather that setting it up and being patient.
He knew Stipe wanted to stay in boxing range, so while underestimating the challengers hands, Werdum was over confident, (almost cocky) and tried to force a clinch without any respect for the consequences.

Thoughts?
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I think he just didn't take him seriously & underestimated him big time. Look at how he was acting fight week & during the walkout. He thought he was just going to flatline stipe with no effort whatsoever and he got hurt for it (which will happen most of the time when you don't take somebody seriously). Especially at HW.
 
Glove said:
I believe some people are making this "complicated" for themselves and others. I believe he lost due to the simple fact that he fought quite "reckless" and tried to charge at a fighter whose boxing is crisp. And while charging at him with front body going forward with legs trailing behind, got caught by two sharp jabs.

I also believe, like some here, that he was "too over-confidant" while in his hometown as well. One can make the argument that certain Brazilian fighters tend to be this way.
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While I agree with most of your analysis, if you think the KO punch was a "jab" it's probably time to spend less time on sherdog and go to some boxing classes...
 
There's a reason no HW champ has defended more than 2x. And to those suggesting it has something to do with USADA, all you're doing really is discrediting Stipe's victory. And thats a shame.
 
He got caught by a hard hitter. Werdume is still a better fighter though and would win 8/10 times. He got unlucky.
 
They need to add starbursts or something to when fighters gets hit since most people only seem to see the KO punches.
 
He had no hespect for Stipe. That has to happen to someone that wants to be a champion but never acknowledges how good his opponents are. Let's hope he learned the lesson, cause all the casual fans he lost he ain't getting back :p
 
Miiiiiiighty said:
While I agree with most of your analysis, if you think the KO punch was a "jab" it's probably time to spend less time on sherdog and go to some boxing classes...
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I should have made it more clear, he did get hit by a couple of jabs on his "way to being knocked out" by a sharp left hook.
 
HIMBOB said:
See thats not what happened here.

This wasn't a cardio machine getting tired this was a calculated assassin deciding to charge at an opponent in total disregard to his own safety.
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Everyone always assumes that the effects of PED's are purely physical, strength or Cardio related.

Not saying this is the case with Werdum, but if an athlete has used PED's for many years and then goes without them, it can have a huge effect mentally.

Say for instance youve relied on PED's for cardio, without them you will have lingering doubts about your ability to go five rounds, these sort of things can mess with your head. Weve seen several cases of normally agressive fighters being much cagier with their approach in opening rounds, not sure of their ability to maintain a high pace for too long. Once youre n the fight that can have a big impact, tough first few minutes, " shit, this might go the distance, do i have the cardio without ped's to go that far??" doubt sets in, "shit, no i need to finish this now",... makes mistake.

Same with strength, ability to take a hit, again, coming off ped's, can damage the confidence, do i still have the ability to take damage?

The mental aspects of coming off ped's is huge. If they are something youve come to rely on, short term, after coming off confidence and in turn decision making etc can all take a bit hit.

That may or may not be the case with Werdum, there arent huge physical pointers showing he suddenly looked crazy different, but dont write the possibility off just because you relate PED's to strength or cardio, mental aspect is a big part.
 
You sound so assertive in assessing your hindsight. TS. Really great stuff. Keep it going.

Also, most of this forum were masturbatimg about Werdum's magnificent striking prior to this fight.
 
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