What happened to Werdum?

[jonathan274]

What happened to Werdum?

His troll clones ate him.

He was too reckless.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Trollfaced so much that he trolled himself.

That was nauseating, having to watch him repeatedly adopt that moronic face. Appealing to the low IQ bracket of MMA fans, apparently.

 

[Thy]

Stipe was beating him up and he got frustrated and dumb. not that com[plicated.

 

[dim_]

And to those suggesting it has something to do with USADA, all you're doing really is discrediting Stipe's victory. And thats a shame.

I dont thinks so. If people do suggest that Werdum was different post USADA that can imply that Stipe is one of the ones that benefits under the new "program". That is only complimentary to Stipe.

If using USADA does a disservice to Stipe, so does saying Werdum just made a dumb mistake.

 

[jayo2k]

He got overconfident in his crappy stricking because he read on sherdog forum post from people who never fought in their life telling how a great striker Werdum became just because he outstruck mediocre strickers...

 

[Sinthesized]

Yeah, beating Fedor, Overeem and Cain is soooooo overrated and not amazing.

Lol

People keep saying Overeem, but conveniently forget that was 10 years ago when Overeem had next to no ground game. Overeem came back and picked him apart for an easy win.

Werdum was never number 1, he's probably the lower half of top 10. Not bad, but definitely not the best. Overrated, especially by Sherdogs.

 

[Dutch Rudder]

Another BJJ wizard that fell in love with his striking. I think when he puts it all together he is a great fighter, but just relying on stand up he's not top tier.

 

[Jon Stark]

He acted unprofessionally making silly faces immediately before the fight. Stipe was hungrier and what happened to Werdum was a predictable outcome.

 

[Supatune]

the crowd had him in

mode

 

[machidafan99]

psyched out by the 50,000 brazilian crowd. he wanted to do something dramatic for them and Stipe has short punch power almost carwin-like at times.

 

[ShoopNazi]

People keep saying Overeem, but conveniently forget that was 10 years ago when Overeem had next to no ground game. Overeem came back and picked him apart for an easy win.

Werdum was never number 1, he's probably the lower half of top 10. Not bad, but definitely not the best. Overrated, especially by Sherdogs.

What a clever way to discredit Werdum's win over Ubereem.

This was during a time when AO was so juiced that when he got his opponents in the clinch, they themselves could fail post fight testings.

He also statistically out struck Overeem in their 2nd meeting, in case you didn't know.

 

[Jackonfire]

I dont thinks so. If people do suggest that Werdum was different post USADA that can imply that Stipe is one of the ones that benefits under the new "program". That is only complimentary to Stipe.

If using USADA does a disservice to Stipe, so does saying Werdum just made a dumb mistake.

People implying Werdum is different post USADA are basically saying Stipe couldn't have won otherwise. People saying Werdum made a stupid mistake must also conclude Stipe was able to capitalize on said mistake.

But its more likely that all the champs you mentioned who are now losing are doing so because they are fighting the best of the best. And in some cases have been fighting the best of the best for years now. The USADA excuse is just lazy.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I think he was trying to mix up his attack but got too aggressive early against one of the best boxers at HW that also has strong wrestling, footwork and speed. I don't know if Werdum would beat Stipe in a rematch, Stipe is a bad matchup for Werdum. Werdum generally doesn't do well against great strikers that can keep it standing and have good clinch games.

 

[Dutch Rudder]

What a clever way to discredit Werdum's win over Ubereem.

This was during a time when AO was so juiced that when he got his opponents in the clinch, they themselves could fail post fight testings.

He also statistically out struck Overeem in their 2nd meeting, in case you didn't know.

He also set the record for "most flops to your back for no reason" in their second meeting.
I'm not sure landing a leg kick then immediately flopping to your back should count as out striking your opponent.
That was one of the top 3 most embarrassing performances by a scared fighter I have ever seen....just painful to watch.

 

[ShoopNazi]

He also set the record for "most flops to your back for no reason" in their second meeting.
I'm not sure landing a leg kick then immediately flopping to your back should count as out striking your opponent.
That was one of the top 3 most embarrassing performances by a scared fighter I have ever seen....just painful to watch.

Well, why didn't AO jump into his guard then and smash him? Because Werdum stood with the K1 wizard when he had to and landed more, STATs-wise.

It goes both ways

 

[dim_]

People implying Werdum is different post USADA are basically saying Stipe couldn't have won otherwise. People saying Werdum made a stupid mistake must also conclude Stipe was able to capitalize on said mistake.

But its more likely that all the champs you mentioned who are now losing are doing so because they are fighting the best of the best. And in some cases have been fighting the best of the best for years now. The USADA excuse is just lazy.

I think theres a balance of both.

I think in some circumstances people are just saying "USADA" because its a convenient excuse, its an easy explanation, and very often theres a motive behind the accusation, either nationality based, because they dont like a certain fighter, or just because they want to troll.

However, one of the biggest changes in the sport over the last 18 months has been the introduction of the new testing program, we simply cant ignore that fact its having a huge impact on the sport in the short term.

When we weigh up the details surrounding a title fight, we can look at preparation, how did the champs training camp go, we can look at ring rust, we can look at pre-existing injuries, what their strategy was going into the fight, environmental effects, altitude, home crowd etc, but is the new testing program something that we have to take into account when looking at these results? most definately, it has to be a factor that is considered.

I knocked up a graphic yesterdayt because I wanted to see if all thiss "champs losing titles under USADA" was actually a "thing" or if it was just a knee jerk conclusion and hte easiest way to do it was visually

Its actually interesting seeing it laid out like that. Partly, because yes, there is post USADA a rash of belt changes, but some when you look historically are pretty normal.

If you look at the previous heavyweight title reigns, theyve all been about 18 months and by that token Werdum was due to lose...
Cormier doesnt count because they title was stripped..
Weidman you are comparing against Anderson Silva
Hendricks/Lawler, I would have questions over both, Hendrick looks awful post USADA, and Lawler looked pretty terrible in his defence against Condit and should have lost.
Dos Angos, was pre USADA but its fair to say that Petis has looked appalling post USADA. But again, if you look at how long previous champs have reigned for, Pettis was due to lose.
Aldo/McGregor, no comment..
Bantamweight. I think Faber v Cruz will give us an idea of what the deal was with Cruz/Dillashaw
Rousey, I think USADA had a huge impact on that fight. Ronda and Lawler have been the two standouts for me..

But on the whole, based on history, the titles were due to change hands anyway.. its just all happened at once.

But we still cant discunt USADA as a factor.

 

[Hotei]

And strategy wasn't a factor in that at all? He didn't come with a game plan in all of those fights? he didn't dictate the pace, and pick them apart?

This is like if Jon Jones suddenly fought Rumble or Texeira and decided to go in with his hands down, and taunt them...

Good point.
Werdum made a stupid decision vs a really bad matchup...i'm not saying he would have won without that stupid charge but e sure didn't help himself.
Also at 38 1 year layoff is a lot, at that age being the champion of the world probably relaxed him too much.

 

[Moral Victory]

He got hit on the chin while rushing in, Stipe gave his head a little spin that silenced his kin and walked away with the win. You'll hear more about it from Esther Lin.

 

[Dutch Rudder]

Well, why didn't AO jump into his guard then and smash him? Because Werdum stood with the K1 wizard when he had to and landed more, STATs-wise.

It goes both ways

He out struck Overeem because every time Reem threw a punch it either knocked him down (4 or 5 times he dropped Werdum in that fight) or Werdum pulled guard off a punch, or flopped to his back if he couldn't pull guard. Other then a flurry in the 2nd round, Werdum threw jabs and legs kicks that did nothing. Out striking with insignificant strikes is a meaningless statistic.
Reem spent a few minutes in guard after he hurt Doom in the 3rd, and Doom did nothing except hold on. It was an embarrassing performance by Werdum.

 

[Moezao]

I think theres a balance of both.

I think in some circumstances people are just saying "USADA" because its a convenient excuse, its an easy explanation, and very often theres a motive behind the accusation, either nationality based, because they dont like a certain fighter, or just because they want to troll.

However, one of the biggest changes in the sport over the last 18 months has been the introduction of the new testing program, we simply cant ignore that fact its having a huge impact on the sport in the short term.

When we weigh up the details surrounding a title fight, we can look at preparation, how did the champs training camp go, we can look at ring rust, we can look at pre-existing injuries, what their strategy was going into the fight, environmental effects, altitude, home crowd etc, but is the new testing program something that we have to take into account when looking at these results? most definately, it has to be a factor that is considered.

I knocked up a graphic yesterdayt because I wanted to see if all thiss "champs losing titles under USADA" was actually a "thing" or if it was just a knee jerk conclusion and hte easiest way to do it was visually

Its actually interesting seeing it laid out like that. Partly, because yes, there is post USADA a rash of belt changes, but some when you look historically are pretty normal.

If you look at the previous heavyweight title reigns, theyve all been about 18 months and by that token Werdum was due to lose...
Cormier doesnt count because they title was stripped..
Weidman you are comparing against Anderson Silva
Hendricks/Lawler, I would have questions over both, Hendrick looks awful post USADA, and Lawler looked pretty terrible in his defence against Condit and should have lost.
Dos Angos, was pre USADA but its fair to say that Petis has looked appalling post USADA. But again, if you look at how long previous champs have reigned for, Pettis was due to lose.
Aldo/McGregor, no comment..
Bantamweight. I think Faber v Cruz will give us an idea of what the deal was with Cruz/Dillashaw
Rousey, I think USADA had a huge impact on that fight. Ronda and Lawler have been the two standouts for me..

But on the whole, based on history, the titles were due to change hands anyway.. its just all happened at once.

But we still cant discunt USADA as a factor.

It's a pretty graph or whatever this is. But honestly, means nothing.

The only champion you could make a case of being affected by USADA is Aldo. And even so, the fight ended so quickly that it's hard to make such a statement, we didn't see much other than Rogan making such a big deal of Aldo's body.

Weidman might have had a long enough reign to make an argument, but he only fought almost 40 year old men prior to Rockhold. And I'd say he even benefitted from rule changes as he got to fight a TRTless Belfort, a shadow of the beast he once was.

Unless you think Ronda was juicing, there are no other champions that had enough title defenses that lost out of a sudden.
Dos Anjos, someone that was accused of using PEDs by sherdog constantly, came out as the same beast as before. Lawler fought the same way he always fought, gritty as fuck.

So all of that mean shit. Titles change hands. Some faster than others.

I do agree that some guys like Pettis and Hendricks had sudden falls in performance at the same time as USADA kicked in. But that is far from enough evidence to say USADA actually had a factor in it.