Opinion What do you think of white nationalism?

[Amerikuracana]

Where is anyone as a race for that matter? hispanics are roughly 50% european 50% indian and black, blacks are roughly 25% european, those are lot of tickets in the gene lottery.

As i said before the only thing that would make white people disappear is not breeding at all, white people will pop out of non-white population dues to mendelian inheritance.

Also in the end, what makes a country is its culture not the genetics, this has been proven by history tons of time, how cultural shifts are not matched by genetic shifts and peoples that we previously thought were different are actually the same who diverged long time ago.

The big problem with white nationalists is that they really are looking to create a nation based on a phenotype look, which is incredibly ridiculous considering how culture actually works, people dont really give much of a fuck about how people look as much as they give about how people behave

Me and common sense will never agree with your stance on culture being so separated from peoples race and ethnicity. People mature at different ages, have different instinctual priorities based on isolated natural selection for thousands of millennia, and are just different in aptitude, attitude, and of course appearance based on the conditions that created the differences. Japanese people aren't the same as Africans, but just with "a different culture." That's a laughable idea. It doesn't work that way, as unPC as the truth may be. Neither people are superior, but different in their aptitudes and tendencies.. From birth.. All day.

 

[Rod1]

Me and common sense will never agree with your stance on culture being so separated from peoples race and ethnicity. People mature at different ages, have different instinctual priorities based on isolated natural selection for thousands of millennia, and are just different in aptitude, attitude, and of course appearance based on the conditions that created the differences. Japanese people aren't the same as Africans, but just with "a different culture." That's a laughable idea. It doesn't work that way, as unPC as the truth may be. Neither people are superior, but different in their aptitudes and tendencies.. From birth.. All day.

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Japanese people arent the same as Koreans or Chinese either. South Koreans are not the same as North Koreans. Croats are not the same as Serbs or Bosniaks. Palestinians arent the same as Jews who arent the same as Samaritans. Lebanese christians are not the same as muslim lebanese, etc etc.

And if you talk about scientific racism then intra-european differenes and extra-european similarities would matter.

But sure, scientific racism is "common sense" why is the world so fucking blind right? i wonder why white nationalists then love to talk about the renaissance, ancient greece and the roman empire, those were mediterranean people not celtic-germanic individuals who did those things.

 

[Amerikuracana]

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Japanese people arent the same as Koreans or Chinese either. South Koreans are not the same as North Koreans. Croats are not the same as Serbs or Bosniaks. Palestinians arent the same as Jews who arent the same as Samaritans. Lebanese christians are not the same as muslim lebanese, etc etc.

And if you talk about scientific racism then intra-european differenes and extra-european similarities would matter.

But sure, scientific racism is "common sense" why is the world so fucking blind right? i wonder why white nationalists then love to talk about the renaissance, ancient greece and the roman empire, those were mediterranean people not celtic-germanic individuals who did those things.

Well, I mean, obviously the Chinese/Japanese peoples evolved in similar environments for a long time. So they are different, but not as different. Just like different countries in subsaharan Africa.. Different, but very similar. Evolves in very similar conditions where survival and breeding requires very similar things. More similarities developed in the cultures, of course. The Japanese benefitted from the wisdom of Americas European founders when their constitution was rewritten after WWII.

 

[Rod1]

Well, I mean, obviously the Chinese/Japanese peoples evolved in similar environments for a long time. So they are different, but not as different. Just like different countries in subsaharan Africa.. Different, but very similar. Evolves in very similar conditions where survival and breeding requires very similar things. More similarities developed in the cultures, of course. The Japanese benefitted from the wisdom of Americas European founders when their constitution was rewritten after WWII.

What about North and South Koreans, they are less than 2 generations apart, evolution doesnt works that fast.

In the last sentence you admit that culture can be changed without changing race, the japanese were from brutal genocidal warmongerers to pacifists in the span of less than a decade. So you are contradicting yourself.

You can focus on cultural differences of different groups, but you cant explain the cultural differences of similar groups or the cultural similarities of different groups.

The whole latin america and Spain have such a similar culture that any hispanic can function in any hispanic country thanks to cultural inter-exchange between the different intelligetzias of different hispanic nations, yet you cant possibly find more genetic diversity in the world than the whole hispanic world.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Yea.. A radical dictator or regime can severely impact how people live. They aren't living out their tendencies, they are living out his fantasies. Genetically similar people can, of course, end up in different living situations. Those North Koreans? If you put them in American schools, you k ow who they would act like? Other Asians that loom like them.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Yea.. A radical dictator or regime can severely impact how people live. They aren't living out their tendencies, they are living out his fantasies. Genetically similar people can, of course, end up in different living situations. Those North Koreans? If you put them in American schools, you k ow who they would act like? Other Asians that loom like them.

Like how the Cambodians perform in America??

 

[PolishHeadlock]

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AAPI-Cambodian-factsheet.pdf

 

[Amerikuracana]

Like how the Cambodians perform in America??

They are a little more different, and I don't have statistics on that, nor do I know any personally. You can enlighten me.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

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i wonder why white nationalists then love to talk about the renaissance, ancient greece and the roman empire, those were mediterranean people not celtic-germanic individuals who did those things.

Good point.

In this awesome book...

the author compiles statements and attitudes of people thousands of years ago. They pretty much all talked shit about each other but guess what, there was NO notion of togetherness between people from what we today call Europe. Greeks considered themselves as distant from Germanics as they were from Persians, Romans, etc.

Interestingly enough, one of the enduring stereotypes they held about northern European people was that they were dumb as shit. Courageous in battle, physically strong, but thick as pig shit. LOL. (Arabs were the supposedly the opposite. Very smart but cowardly)

The notion of one big, happy, white family barely started in the 1800s and 1900s. Before that, people were talking about the "Slavic race", the "Jewish race", the Alpines, the Mediterraneans, etc.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

They are a little more different, and I don't have statistics on that, nor do I know any personally. You can enlighten me.

They haven't lived up to "Asian standards" despite being Asian.

 

[kickboxjh]

Like how the Cambodians perform in America??

Not too many people would mistake a Cambodian for a Korean I'd wager.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Not too many people would mistake a Cambodian for a Korean I'd wager.

Would the same people mistake a Korean for Japanese?

 

[Amerikuracana]

They haven't lived up to "Asian standards" despite being Asian.

And Africans in Botswana seem to be able to create a country on their own that has some decent standards of living and respectable culture by any standards.. Botswana doesn't want a lot of other Africans and Aaian countries don't want a lot of Cambodians lol.. Life has beenrough in Cambodia for a while.. Really rough.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

And Africans in Botswana seem to be able to create a country on their own that has some decent standards of living and respectable culture by any standards.. Botswana doesn't want a lot of other Africans and Aaian countries don't want a lot of Cambodians lol.. Life has beenrough in Cambodia for a while.. Really rough.

Right.... so you can see that race doesn't have a genetic or "evolutionary" impact on culture?

 

[panamaican]

Well, I mean, obviously the Chinese/Japanese peoples evolved in similar environments for a long time. So they are different, but not as different. Just like different countries in subsaharan Africa.. Different, but very similar. Evolves in very similar conditions where survival and breeding requires very similar things. More similarities developed in the cultures, of course. The Japanese benefitted from the wisdom of Americas European founders when their constitution was rewritten after WWII.

@Rod1 is covering most this pretty well but I wanted to add that the Chinese and the Japanese didn't evolve in similar environments. The Japanese evolved on an island with significant altitude differences within it and surrounded by salt water. The Chinese evolved on a landlocked mainland with large stretches of plains and almost no significant salt water. I don't see how that would make the Japanese and the Chinese more similar. Just on terrain, the Japanese might be closer to the native Britons or the aborigines of Australia. But then this is where people say well terrain isn't outweighing the core genetic overlap. Okay then how much core overlap are we talking about before they cease to be "Asian" because they all started from the same general place. And if we're going to talk about cultures, China, Korea and Japan all have different cultures despite their physical proximity and asian-ness.

The problem is that when people claim terrain, they don't want to include similar terrain found on different continents. But when they claim culture, they don't want to acknowledge different cultures found within a singular continent. When they claim genetics, they want to insert an artificial cut off point. I said earlier, people go through a lot of gymnastics to prop up a definition of race that isn't consistent with anything but what they wish it was. That's not to say there aren't genetic differences that arise over time but they don't support the use of "race" to the extent that some people apply it to.

 

[Amerikuracana]

@Rod1 is covering most this pretty well but I wanted to add that the Chinese and the Japanese didn't evolve in similar environments. The Japanese evolved on an island with significant altitude differences within it and surrounded by salt water. The Chinese evolved on a landlocked mainland with large stretches of plains and almost no significant salt water. I don't see how that would make the Japanese and the Chinese more similar. Just on terrain, the Japanese might be closer to the native Britons or the aborigines of Australia. But then this is where people say well terrain isn't outweighing the core genetic overlap. Okay then how much core overlap are we talking about before they cease to be "Asian" because they all started from the same general place. And if we're going to talk about cultures, China, Korea and Japan all have different cultures despite their physical proximity and asian-ness.

The problem is that when people claim terrain, they don't want to include similar terrain found on different continents. But when they claim culture, they don't want to acknowledge different cultures found within a singular continent. When they claim genetics, they want to insert an artificial cut off point. I said earlier, people go through a lot of gymnastics to prop up a definition of race that isn't consistent with anything but what they wish it was. That's not to say there aren't genetic differences that arise over time but they don't support the use of "race" to the extent that some people apply it to.

A now common genetic test disagrees with you guys conclusions.

 

[kickboxjh]

Good point.

In this awesome book...

the author compiles statements and attitudes of people thousands of years ago. They pretty much all talked shit about each other but guess what, there was NO notion of togetherness between people from what we today call Europe. Greeks considered themselves as distant from Germanics as they were from Persians, Romans, etc.

Interestingly enough, one of the enduring stereotypes they held about northern European people was that they were dumb as shit. Courageous in battle, physically strong, but thick as pig shit. LOL. (Arabs were the supposedly the opposite. Very smart but cowardly)

The notion of one big, happy, white family barely started in the 1800s and 1900s. Before that, people were talking about the "Slavic race", the "Jewish race", the Alpines, the Mediterraneans, etc.

So to summarise if the world was inhabited by just one "race", then we'd discriminate based on belief system, or country, or height, or hair colour or anything else that separates 'us' from 'them'.

Racism (non violent) is natural and necessary for survival. That's why multiculturalism is a such a bad idea. People work better in their own little tribe. There's a better chance of peace and cooperation when people aren't jumbled up together.

 

[panamaican]

A now common genetic test disagrees with you guys conclusions.

What conclusion is that because I don't anyone claimed that genetic differences don't arise.

http://www.techinsider.io/what-genetic-testing-can-tell-you-about-race-or-ancestry-2015-11

Genes can identify a person and find related people, but there's no genetic meaning of race or even ancestry — just because DNA can say you are related to a large number of people who live in a place doesn't mean you are genetically from that place.

Dermitzakis said that trying to fit groups of people into "races" was biologically inaccurate in the first place.

"There are no races but individuals that sometimes are more related to each [other] than [to] others," he said. "If you see it that way then all data will make more sense."

The fact that certain characteristics exist in a certain area just means that those traits have been passed on frequently in that area. Because of those markers, genetic differences can be used to track the movements of populations around the globe, but there's no one genetic signal that makes anyone a different race.

As population geneticist John Novembre explained it in a later Reddit AMA: "There simply hasn’t been enough time since we spread across the globe for extensive differences to have accumulated across the genome."

 

[kickboxjh]

And Africans in Botswana seem to be able to create a country on their own that has some decent standards of living and respectable culture by any standards.. Botswana doesn't want a lot of other Africans and Aaian countries don't want a lot of Cambodians lol.. Life has beenrough in Cambodia for a while.. Really rough.

Botswana = relative low population and relatively few ethnic groups.

 

[Rod1]

Yea.. A radical dictator or regime can severely impact how people live. They aren't living out their tendencies, they are living out his fantasies. Genetically similar people can, of course, end up in different living situations. Those North Koreans? If you put them in American schools, you k ow who they would act like? Other Asians that loom like them.

LOL so when Asians fail is because of external factors when others fail is because of their natural tendencies, right. Its not like the communist regimes in China, Korea and SEA were implemented by western forces, its all their own doing.

If you claim that dictators, war and other factors can make people fail, why arent you thinking abou the possibility that africa is a hellhole because its filled with civil wars and dictators?