Opinion What do you think of white nationalism?

[Guestx]

Interesting...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany

You're not the first person to bring that up.

 

[dontsnitch]

Well what's your question exactly?

After 375 posts I've made a lot of points. Ask me something directly.

It wasn't a fair question on my part. I withdraw it.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

You're not the first person to bring that up.

So you know it and ignore it?

 

[TheGreatA]

Can you humor me and give me the abridged version of your point?

Germans did go through a period of decadence between the two World Wars, this is well-known. Jewish people were represented disproportionately in the German media, banking and such things, as they usually are due to their relatively high intelligence and education. But in Germany prior to the Nazi rule, you could say the balance had shifted to a very abnormal amount of Jewish people "in charge", as the native Germans had become very demoralized and incapable of truly picking themselves up from the "canvas" after a lost war. The Jewish people, already deemed outsiders within the country, kept working diligently to improve their positions, regardless of the result in the war, and found it easier to attain more influential positions when the Germans themselves were in a state of confusion after a fallen Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture#Berlin.27s_reputation_for_decadence

Jewish people ended up catching the blame for post-war Germany's regression, although the reasons behind it were obviously more complex. We have to realize though, that you do not rally an entire nation to commit such outrageous acts against a minority, without there being atleast some sort of a motivation behind it.

If the whole Europe suddenly rallied against the Muslim populations in such a manner right now, I would obviously fully condemn it, but I would also acknowledge that there were definite tensions between the populations which initially caused the conflict.

 

[dontsnitch]

Germans did go through a period of decadence between the two World Wars, this is well-known. Jewish people were represented disproportionately in the German media, banking and such things, as they usually are due to their relatively high intelligence and education. But in Germany prior to the Nazi rule, you could say the balance had shifted to a very abnormal amount of Jewish people "in charge", as the native Germans had become very demoralized and incapable of truly picking themselves up from the "canvas" after a lost war. The Jewish people, already deemed outsiders within the country, kept working diligently to improve their positions, regardless of the result in the war, and found it easier to attain more influential positions when the Germans themselves were in a state of confusion after a fallen Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture#Berlin.27s_reputation_for_decadence

Jewish people ended up catching the blame for post-war Germany's regression, although the reasons behind it were obviously more complex. We have to realize though, that you do not rally an entire nation to commit such outrageous acts against a minority, without there being atleast some sort of a motivation behind it.

If the whole Europe suddenly rallied against the Muslim populations in such a manner right now, I would obviously fully condemn it, but I would also acknowledge that there were definite tensions which initially caused the conflict.

Not a popular stance. Jews need to be blameless because everything is black and white.

 

[Guestx]

So you know it and ignore it?

The second World War, the rise of Nazism, and the way we understand what happened there is a complicated issue that I'm still trying to figure out for myself. I know you think you have all the answers even though most of what you know PROBABLY comes from what you learned in school and what you picked up from a few documentaries on TV. (Certainly feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and you're well read on the subject.)

Have I ever said that the holocaust was right? Absolutely not. But I do think it's a more complex situation than the simple black and white portrait that most people are shown.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Germans did go through a period of decadence between the two World Wars, this is well-known. Jewish people were represented disproportionately in the German media, banking and such things, as they usually are due to their relatively high intelligence and education. But in Germany prior to the Nazi rule, you could say the balance had shifted to a very abnormal amount of Jewish people "in charge", as the native Germans had become very demoralized and incapable of truly picking themselves up from the "canvas" after a lost war. The Jewish people, already deemed outsiders within the country, kept working diligently to improve their positions, regardless of the result in the war, and found it easier to attain more influential positions when the Germans themselves were in a state of confusion after a fallen Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture#Berlin.27s_reputation_for_decadence

Jewish people ended up catching the blame for post-war Germany's regression, although the reasons behind it were obviously more complex. We have to realize though, that you do not rally an entire nation to commit such outrageous acts against a minority, without there being atleast some sort of a motivation behind it.

If the whole Europe suddenly rallied against the Muslim populations in such a manner right now, I would obviously fully condemn it, but I would also acknowledge that there were definite tensions between the populations which initially caused the conflict.

The tensions between the Jews and "native Germans" were a result of policies put forth and enforced by the "native Germans".

That is undeniable

 

[TheGreatA]

Not a popular stance. Jews need to be blameless because everything is black and white.

I'm not a black and white guy, I must admit. In order to find the truth, or atleast half the truth, one must step out of their comfort zone, even if it means to put yourself into the shoes of an evil Nazi.

 

[Guestx]

Jewish people ended up catching the blame for post-war Germany's regression, although the reasons behind it were obviously more complex. We have to realize though, that you do not rally an entire nation to commit such outrageous acts against a minority, without there being atleast some sort of a motivation behind it.

If the whole Europe suddenly rallied against the Muslim populations in such a manner right now, I would obviously fully condemn it, but I would also acknowledge that there were definite tensions between the populations which initially caused the conflict.

That's probably the most succinct way to sum it up in just two short paragraphs.

 

[dontsnitch]

I'm not a black and white guy, I must admit. In order to find the truth, or atleast half the truth, one must step out of their comfort zone, even if it means to put yourself into the shoes of an evil Nazi.

Or you can understand that there are no good guys. The Jews trampled on Germans after WW1.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

The second World War, the rise of Nazism, and the way we understand what happened there is a complicated issue that I'm still trying to figure out for myself. I know you think you have all the answers even though most of what you know PROBABLY comes from what you learned in school and what you picked up from a few documentaries on TV. (Certainly feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and you're well read on the subject.)

Have I ever said that the holocaust was right? Absolutely not. But I do think it's a more complex situation than the simple black and white portrait that most people are shown.

You said this in your Mayberry thread.

You also said on that thread that you would provide sources but you didn't.

So either provide those sources or stop making this claim that you know something beyond what was "taught in my school and what was shown on tv."

We're not talking about some prehistoric event where we need to infer what caused something.

WW2, the Nazianz regime and the Holocaust are all well documented events that happened within the past century.

So go ahead and hit me with the information.

 

[TheGreatA]

The tensions between the Jews and "native Germans" were a result of policies put forth and enforced by the "native Germans".

That is undeniable

The tensions have always been there, throughout history. They did not suddenly develop during the Nazi regime. If you read history of Prussia, way back to the 17th or 18th century, you will always come across conflicts with the Jewish population and the German population. They worked together, but they also had conflicts with each other.

Major part of the tensions was caused because the Jewish people, unlike the Christians, were allowed to loan money with an interest, thus due to the extra-vagant nature of royal families and their habit of loaning and spending, the Jews ended up having an abnormal amount of influence with the aristocrats. The aristocrats may have treated Jewish people well, but the peasant folk did not, due to the nature of their "non-Christian" trade and the wealth and power that they had in comparison to Christian peasants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew

 

[PolishHeadlock]

The tensions have always been there, throughout history. They did not suddenly develop during the Nazi regime. If you read history of Prussia, way back to the 17th or 18th century, you will always come across conflicts with the Jewish population and the German population. They worked together, but they also had conflicts with each other.

Major part of the tensions is because the Jewish people, unlike the Christians, were allowed to loan money with an interest, thus due to the extra-vagant nature of royal families and their habit of loaning and spending, the Jews ended up having an abnormal amount of influence with the aristocrats. The aristocrats may have treated Jewish people well, but the peasant folk did not, due to the nature of their "non-Christian" trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew

I know it did just didn't appear out of nowhere

I also know the ruling class of Europe saw the benefit of providing capital in exchange for a return on capital

I also know that the ruling class would invite in Jews to provide this service to help the local economy because they weren't able to because of their religious beliefs or lack of capital.

I also know that the ruling class would eventually persecute the Jews for doing what the ruling class brought them in to do because it was the easy political play or because they also owed the Jews money.

This is a fun game.

 

[Guestx]

You said this in your Mayberry thread.

You also said on that thread that you would provide sources but you didn't.

So either provide those sources or stop making this claim that you know something beyond what was "taught in my school and what was shown on tv."

We're not talking about some prehistoric event where we need to infer what caused something.

WW2, the Nazianz regime and the Holocaust are all well documented events that happened within the past century.

So go ahead and hit me with the information.

I did say it in the Mayberry thread and then realized that the person I was talking to was completely resolute in their position and was not interested in any facts. Putting together a good presentation would have involved going through some books that I own and re-buying books that I previously owned but had lost/sold/given away. It would be an endeavor that would literally take hours and hours across many days. And for what? To have that dude just be like, Fuck you? Because you know that is what would've happened. He wasn't listening to me.

If you're really interested, then look around. There's a lot of stuff out there that comes from different angles and perspectives.

 

[Andy Capp]

Pretty much. The white race is the only one that is currently being institutionally shamed.

The fact that you choose to single out the "white race" at all shows me where you're at. Just go put on the brown shirt and have a march already.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

I did say it in the Mayberry thread and then realized that the person I was talking to was completely resolute in their position and was not interested in any facts. Putting together a good presentation would have involved going through some books that I own and re-buying books that I previously owned but had lost/sold/given away. It would be an endeavor that would literally take hours and hours across many days. And for what? To have that dude just be like, Fuck you? Because you know that is what would've happened. He wasn't listening to me.

If you're really interested, then look around. There's a lot of stuff out there that comes from different angles and perspectives.

This is a dick tuck of the highest order.

We are in the internet age where everything is available.

Even storm front has a website.

Either provide your sources or admit you are completely full of shit on this subject

 

[TheGreatA]

Or you can understand that there are no good guys. The Jews trampled on Germans after WW1.

They did, but we must also understand that it only happened because the Germans allowed them to.

They were a demoralized, depressed people after a lost war, while Jewish people weren't as affected psychologically by the defeat, since the Germans saw them as "outsiders" anyway, and to be honest, the Jewish people did as well. They kept working and kept running whatever kind of businesses were viable at the time for profit, which ended up being brothels, selling alcohol and such things, as the people who had come back from the War had become used to a very different kind of life from the normal.

I'm always of the opinion that a man ought to look himself in the mirror and blame himself for his own mistakes, but I also understand that the psychology of Germans, having seen their great, blooming Empire fall to nothing but pieces, with their great cities relegated to being locations for foreign "adventurers" to spend their time whoring and drinking, eventually became somewhat deranged at the time.

 

[Andy Capp]

I think some definitely feel that way.

But I think for others, it's kind of like, "I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate. That's just my preference. Doesn't mean that chocolate is objectively a lesser ice cream, it just means that I don't get into it."

Or let's bring it back around to myself: As a general rule, I tend to think that white females are more attractive than, say, black females or latinas. That doesn't mean that I think white females are objectively superior humans, though.

In this scenario, what you're saying, though, is no body better be fucking selling chocolate ice cream in my neighbourhood, because all we eat around here is vanilla, boi.

 

[Guestx]

This is a dick tuck of the highest order.

We are in the internet age where every this available.

Even storm front has a website.

Either provide your sources or admit you are completely full of shit on this subject

It's a sad day when someone thinks that all knowledge currently resides on the Internet. This is why the libraries are empty. People forgot about books and their purpose.

 

[Guestx]

In this scenario, what you're saying, though, is no body better be fucking selling chocolate ice cream in my neighbourhood, because all we eat around here is vanilla, boi.

No, I'm saying that I think it would be nice to get together with others who think vanilla is the best flavor. Like a vanilla society, and within the walls of the society we just celebrate vanilla. Outside of those walls, we can eat chocolate if we want to do and exchange ideas with those who have other viewpoints.