Opinion What do you think of white nationalism?

[Guestx]

White nationalists are completely full of shit. The rationalisations they give for their feelings are just that. It doesn't matter what framework they try and use, none of it's any more valid that the old turn of the century "scientific" racism.

It depends on the reasoning, really. If it's pseudo-scientific--as it is for some--then that is one thing.

But if it's more along the lines of: "Cities with a large minority population tend to have a lot more crime, and white people generally tend to live and act in a way that I'm more comfortable with, so I think I'd like to live in a white-only nation," then I don't see how that is ethically problematic. Frankly, a lot of white people have just given up when it comes to trying to forge and fashion a society where everyone gets along, and would just rather live out their remaining years in relative comfort among people with similar values.

 

[Guestx]

A white nation could never be created because the people who want it can't even define what white is. Shit half the threads on Stormfront are "is so-and-so white."

I agree. There are a lot of problems with the WN community. Most of them are just fucking crass, and illogical in their thinking and generally full of shit.

That's why people such as myself, who can sympathize with a few of their concerns, aren't rushing to be a part of that movement. Way too much chaff, not enough wheat.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

It depends on the reasoning, really. If it's pseudo-scientific--as it is for some--then that is one thing.

But if it's more along the lines of: "Cities with a large minority population tend to have a lot more crime, and white people generally tend to live and act in a way that I'm more comfortable with, so I think I'd like to live in a white-only nation," then I don't see how that is ethically problematic. Frankly, a lot of white people have just given up when it comes to trying to forge and fashion a society where everyone gets along, and would just rather live out their remaining years in relative comfort among people with similar values.

Dude... do you not understand what you are actually saying here?

Do you believe that there is a racial component to culture and behavior? Do you think that someone's race innately causes them to act a certain way?

 

[Guestx]

Dude... do you not understand what you are actually saying here?

Do you believe that there is a racial component to culture and behavior? Do you think that someone's race innately causes them to act a certain way?

If you had read the whole thread, you'd already have your answer to that.

But I'll give you a break on this one and answer this question again: No, I don't believe that. What I believe is that, despite exceptions (and this is a key point here, despite exceptions), certain cultural elements can be statistically linked to certain races.

For instance, would you argue against the notion that a majority-black community is likely to have fewer Catholics than a majority-white community? But conversely, it's more likely to have more Muslims?

 

[PolishHeadlock]

If you had read the whole thread, you'd already have your answer to that.

But I'll give you a break on this one and answer this question again: No, I don't believe that. What I believe is that, despite exceptions (and this is a key point here, despite exceptions), certain cultural elements can be statistically linked to certain races.

For instance, would you argue against the notion that a majority-black community is likely to have fewer Catholics than a majority-white community? But conversely, it's more likely to have more Muslims?

But does that have anything to do with race in and of itself. Does the black race cause you to lean towards a certain race?

Or is it a correlation?

You're actually advocating or at least apologizing for people that want a white only nation.

And you're justifying that by associating certain behaviors with race. You're not looking beyond race to see why these behaviors are associated with a race you're just saying "I don't like that behavior and this race is more likely to partake in that bahavior so I'd rather not live with that race."

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Now I have to ask.

Would Jews be allowed in a white nationalist society?

What about white Hispanics?

 

[Guestx]

But does that have anything to do with race in and of itself. Does the black race cause you to lean towards a certain race?

Or is it a correlation?

You're actually advocating or at least apologizing for people that want a white only nation.

And you're justifying that by associating certain behaviors with race. You're not looking beyond race to see why these behaviors are associated with a race you're just saying "I don't like that behavior and this race is more likely to partake in that bahavior so I'd rather not live with that race."

You're right, it doesn't have anything to do with race in and of itself. Fact: Cities with a majority-black population tend to have more crime (especially violent crime) than cities with a majority-white population. Also a fact: If you take a black kid and raise him from birth in a mostly white community, he's unlikely to share the undesirable traits that are often associated with the black community.

I said earlier in the thread: Race often becomes short-hand for a set of behaviors. "Acting white," "acting black," etc.

Since people of different races OFTEN (often that is, not always) also come from different cultural backgrounds, it makes sense that some one might want to live among others who are their own race. Because those people are most likely to live, act and think in similar ways. There's nothing wrong with wanting to live around like-minded folk.

I'll also bring up the issue of aesthetics. Someone may find Asian people, for instance, to be more physically attractive than Native Americans. Well, that's also a valid reason in my book to want to live in a majority-Asian community rather than one dominated by Native Americans. After all, most of us prefer to live around the things that we find most beautiful.

You said, You're actually advocating or at least apologizing for people that want a white only nation. What I'm saying is that it depends on WHY they want to live in that white only nation. If it's some combination of simply wanting to live around people with similar values + the aesthetic concern, then I don't think it's a moral or ethical problem. I think that's just a simple matter of preference and is perfectly fine. In fact, if anything, I think it's wrong to try to demonize someone for wanting those things.

Now I have to ask.

Would Jews be allowed in a white nationalist society?

What about white Hispanics?

Well bear in mind that I'm not a white nationalist myself and, (again) as I've said before, I don't know that I'd want to live in a 100% white society. So my answer would be different from an actual proper "white nationalist" answer.

Since you want a WN answer, what I can tell you is that from everything I've read, the answer is NO. The Jews especially are fucked.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

You're right, it doesn't have anything to do with race in and of itself. Fact: Cities with a majority-black population tend to have more crime (especially violent crime) than cities with a majority-white population. Also a fact: If you take a black kid and raise him from birth in a mostly white community, he's unlikely to share the undesirable traits that are often associated with the black community.

I said earlier in the thread: Race often becomes short-hand for a set of behaviors. "Acting white," "acting black," etc.

Since people of different races OFTEN (often that is, not always) also come from different cultural backgrounds, it makes sense that some one might want to live among others who are their own race. Because those people are most likely to live, act and think in similar ways. There's nothing wrong with wanting to live around like-minded folk.

I'll also bring up the issue of aesthetics. Someone may find Asian people, for instance, to be more physically attractive than Native Americans. Well, that's also a valid reason in my book to want to live in a majority-Asian community rather than one dominated by Native Americans. After all, most of us prefer to live around the things that we find most beautiful.

You said, You're actually advocating or at least apologizing for people that want a white only nation. What I'm saying is that it depends on WHY they want to live in that white only nation. If it's some combination of simply wanting to live around people with similar values + the aesthetic concern, then I don't think it's a moral or ethical problem. I think that's just a simple matter of preference and is perfectly fine. In fact, if anything, I think it's wrong to try to demonize someone for wanting those things.




Well bear in mind that I'm not a white nationalist myself and, (again) as I've said before, I don't know that I'd want to live in a 100% white society. So my answer would be different from an actual proper "white nationalist" answer.

Since you want a WN answer, what I can tell you is that from everything I've read, the answer is NO. The Jews especially are fucked.

You keep saying "prefer to live with" but you're talking about nations.

The only way to have a white only nation is to get rid of non whites through the legal system of a nation. Do you realize this?

Are familiar with the concept of white flight? Are you familiar with any white slum neighborhoods?

You keep brining up wanting to live around like minded folk which I'm fine with but why does race become a factor then if you don't think race causes people to think or act a certain way?

 

[Ruprecht]

It depends on the reasoning, really. If it's pseudo-scientific--as it is for some--then that is one thing.

But if it's more along the lines of: "Cities with a large minority population tend to have a lot more crime, and white people generally tend to live and act in a way that I'm more comfortable with, so I think I'd like to live in a white-only nation," then I don't see how that is ethically problematic. Frankly, a lot of white people have just given up when it comes to trying to forge and fashion a society where everyone gets along, and would just rather live out their remaining years in relative comfort among people with similar values.

You just switched from complaining about "white genocide" because people don't actually share your reproductive preferences, to complaining about "minority crime" in cities. Never mind that there are plenty of minority groups with crime rates much lower than the general population (or "White Americans" for that matter). Like I said, completely full of shit. 100% Rationalisation.

 

[Guestx]

You keep saying "prefer to live with" but you're talking about nations.

The only way to have a white only nation is to get rid of non whites through the legal system of a nation. Do you realize this?

Are familiar with the concept of white flight? Are you familiar with any white slum neighborhoods?

Sure, well I don't think it's going to happen. And all the scenarios in my head usually, in some form, involve carving out a small tract of land from the largely unpopulated regions of the US or Canada. Like Montana, for instance. It would be people who voluntarily heading off into the wilderness, so to speak, rather than pushing anyone off the land they're living on. But like I said, it's won't happen. It's just a hypothetical.

You keep brining up wanting to live around like minded folk which I'm fine with but why does race become a factor then if you don't think race causes people to think or act a certain way?

Race becomes a factor only because it's so often linked to certain cultural elements. Here's what I can tell you: I've lived in majority-black cities and I've lived in majority-white cities. Quite simply, the experience is different. There's no way around that. It's just not the same.

BTW, regarding your question earlier about Hispanics and Jews, like I said, the Jews are going to be a NO. But I did find some info that you might find interesting regarding the WN attitude toward co-existing with Hispanics as well as Asians.

13. Q. Would Asians be welcome in your separate state?

A. Unresolved. As a general rule, Asian-Americans show very little aggression towards Whites, either personally or politically. Thus, there is no reason to exclude them. There is no desire on the part of White Nationalists to insulate themselves from competition from non-whites who are already here, and who get along well with us.

14. Q. Would the same hold true for hispanics?

A. The census bureau classifies half of all hispanics as White. White Nationalists generally feel the same way. That portion of the Hispanic population that blends in and displays no hostility of a personal or political kind may remain. The "Mecha" members who want to see the Southwestern U.S. annexed to Mexico would not be welcome.

Source: http://www.whitenationalism.com/wn/wn-06.htm

 

[Guestx]

You just switched from complaining about "white genocide" because people don't actually share your reproductive preferences, to complaining about "minority crime" in cities. Never mind that there are plenty of minority groups with crime rates much lower than the general population (or "White Americans" for that matter). Like I said, completely full of shit. 100% Rationalisation.

Yes, the white American community has multiple concerns right now, it's true.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Sure, well I don't think it's going to happen. And all the scenarios in my head usually, in some form, involve carving out a small tract of land from the largely unpopulated regions of the US or Canada. Like Montana, for instance. It would be people who voluntarily heading off into the wilderness, so to speak, rather than pushing anyone off the land they're living on. But like I said, it's won't happen. It's just a hypothetical.




Race becomes a factor only because it's so often linked to certain cultural elements. Here's what I can tell you: I've lived in majority-black cities and I've lived in majority-white cities. Quite simply, the experience is different. There's no way around that. It's just not the same.

BTW, regarding your question earlier about Hispanics and Jews, like I said, the Jews are going to be a NO. But I did find some info that you might find interesting regarding the WN attitude toward co-existing with Hispanics as well as Asians.




Source: http://www.whitenationalism.com/wn/wn-06.htm

I have to ask what cities you lived in that were majority white and majority black.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

I know we got some legit Southerners in here as well as some Southern sympathizers.

So c'mon, let's do this thing! I'm calling on @Cint! I'm calling on our greatest honrorary Southerner @Zer!

Who here loves living in the South? Or misses living there? Or secretly desires to live there?

This is your thread to offer your thoughts and experiences.

For me, I live in Utah now--and don't get me wrong, I love Utah!--but I miss living down South. It's a great part of the country that has a lot to offer. Damn I miss those Southern girls, that old time religion, that fried catfish and turnip greens, those balmy summer nights. . .

Let's do this! A celebration of all things Southern!

Is that a confederate flag I see?

 

[Guestx]

I have to ask what cities you lived in that were majority white and majority black.

Majority black: Memphis, TN and Jackson, MS

Majority white: Minneapolis, MN and Salt Lake City, UT

The frank truth is that there is a statistical shift in violent crime rates from one extreme to the other. It's not an opinion, it's a reality. Consider the following murder statistics from 2014:

Memphis, TN (63% black): 140 murders
Minneapolis, MN (19% black): 31 murders
Salt Lake City, UT (2.7% black): 7 murders

Here's the thing, I'm not trying to say that EVERY black person is a part of this problem. They're certainly not. I've had a lot of "white-acting" black friends who were perfectly good citizens. But this isn't a discussion about individuals, it's a discussion about general trends that you see over and over and over when cities are made up of certain demographics.

Sources:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Memphis-Tennessee.html
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Minneapolis-Minnesota.html
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Salt-Lake-City-Utah.html

 

[Guestx]

Is that a confederate flag I see?

Rebel 'til I die!

 

[PolishHeadlock]

The TS started a white nationalist thread...

A thread where he defended a member of the SS, apologized for Hitler and put blame on the Jews for the Holocaust ....

And a thread where he posted the confederate flag saying the South will rise again. ..

Now I'm not an expert on racists but if this dude isn't racist then I must believe that racism doesn't exist.

He might do it with a polite smile and wave but the message is clear.

 

[Guestx]

The has started a white nationalist thread...

I've done that, yes.

A thread where he defended a member of the SS, apologized for Hitler and put blame on the Jews for the Holocaust ....

1. I didn't defend a member of the SS. I said that in the case referenced, jail time was not really justice.

2. I did not, and have never, apologized for Hitler.

3. I didn't blame the Jews for the holocaust.

And a thread where he posted the confederate flag saying the South will rise again. . .

Yep

Now I'm not an expert on racists but if this dude isn't racist then I must believe that racism doesn't exist.

He might do it with a polite while and wave but the message is clear.

I may have some racial concerns, but that doesn't make me a racist. I noticed you decided to ignore the statistics I presented to you.

Are you saying it's racist of me to notice a trend there?

 

[Gandhi]

White culture is the elightenment, the Renaissance, the explorer, the globalist. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble on this but we put Thor's hammer down a long time ago for better things. Whites don't need a racial nationalism to hold things together. We have our individual national cultures and common desire to trade our experiences with the world. Now some of you lower on the totem pole may cry when you see an issue of ebony magazine, but if you think that is really an issue you may need to work on getting a bit more going on in your life. I guess if it really upsets you, you can always vote for the Duke or the Donald.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

A guy from the South (a culture that fought a war to preserve slavery and afterwards put forward legislation to hold black people down economically and socially) wants to celebrate that culture and hopes it will rise again


At the same time he vilifies the subculture created because of legislation passed by his culture heritage and doesn't think they deserve to live around him.

You can't make this shit up lol

 

[PolishHeadlock]

I've done that, yes.



1. I didn't defend a member of the SS. I said that in the case referenced, jail time was not really justice.

2. I did not, and have never, apologized for Hitler.

3. I didn't blame the Jews for the holocaust.




Yep



I may have some racial concerns, but that doesn't make me a racist. I noticed you decided to ignore the statistics I presented to you.

Are you saying it's racist of me to notice a trend there?

Hey bud I hate to tell you this.

But the rebel culture is responsible for these trends.