Crime What did the cops do wrong today. Vol. 2

[RoosterHucklebuck]

Dude was an anti-Government militia asshole.

There is probably a legit reason why he wasn't allowed to own guns. Swat teams are not taking guys like this out for no reason while areas of Maryland are warzones.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I believe the people talking about Internet comments are speculating that those comments may have lead to him being reported under Maryland’s “red flag” laws.

Ok. But those still have to go to court, and he would be able to defend himself. In Maryland it looks like they’re granted about half the time. It requires more than vague internet comments to get that granted, like specific threats or knowledge of intended self harm.

 

[dildos]

were the cops wearing body cams??

that would sort this story out real quick.

 

[jonharrison]

Ok. But those still have to go to court, and he would be able to defend himself. In Maryland it looks like they’re granted about half the time. It requires more than vague internet comments to get that granted, like specific threats or knowledge of intended self harm.

Oh, without question! I just believe those posters had something slightly more rational in mind than police reading random comments on the internet and making house calls. At least, that’s what I hope.

 

[TheLastSpartan]

So far, it looks like they Fred Hampton'd ole boy. Hopefully enough public and/or legal pressure forces them to release the bodycam footage because that will in all likelihood settle this case of 'he said/she said'.

 

[Lord_Impaler]

IMO it was a terrible mistake to make police brutality a racially divided issue, ala “Black Lives Matter”. That was an issue both the left and right could’ve agreed on, de-militarizing the police forces. Government power/monopoly on violence/gun rights issue for the right could’ve easily been integrated with the racial angle of police brutality from the left.

 

[SleepyBoy]

Potomac is one of the nicest and most well connected parts in the country.

This alone makes me wonder.

 

[Graves The Elder]

"I've only included the BULLET points here..."
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[SBJJ]

The key word there that separates the two is "innocent".

I'm not defending what the cop did, and he should be punished accordingly, but I'm not exactly giving a shit about a criminal who preyed on others getting his head kicked in either.

At the time the cop stomped him that man was innocent.

Cool for an FBI agent to stomp Roger Stone? How bout Mike Flynn?

I am against big brother exerting undo force no matter what

 

[jk7707]

If the cops come busting down your door, you're gonna wake up regardless of whether you were sleeping before hand. No idea what he did after that but he sure as shit wasn't sleeping in his bed when he was shot.

 

[tonni]

I will believe the family until they give me a reason not to.

The couple wasn’t married and living in sin, thusly.

 

[ElKarlo]

Hope they had body cameras on.

They should have. I am from that county. The MCPD are not bad, but there has been a decline in quality for some time. As things stand I am not sure, but the shooting seems like a dumb call imho.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Good. He was fired. Basic accountability is all I ask for.

 

[TheOldMan]

Right outside the capital (Albany) grew up in an old factory/mill town that all the jobs left from 60’s-90. Two cities on two sides were the hood (mostly black folks), one side was white trash ghetto, and one side was nice’ish. A big beautiful bouquet of shitty people to observe.


It’s an eye opening place to live. Because Albany is the capital, where democrat politicians claim to care about black people. But for 30 years I’ve been driving by the same boarded up houses in the hood. They have literally spent more cleaning the floors of the capital, than actually helping the people who need it most.

I had a feeling that this lead back to NY democratic politicians, and that place sounds like a shithole.

Our opinions on this particular incident remain different, but we also live in very different cultures.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This is not the right thing to do and don't condone this kind of conduct by police, but why should I give a shit about some dirt bag thief? If he didn't want to get kicked in the head he shouldn't have been trying to rob people.

It is weird how some of you fail to see the obvious issue here.
Cops are not your parents, gods, or above any laws.
They dont have the power, nor should you be okay with them unilaterally deciding on who lives and dies. We have courts, judges, and juries to decide punishment.
No matter how much you or a cop thinks a dirt bag thief deserves a beating or a bullet, that isnt the society we live in. We have laws, for everyone, the police arent above them

 

[Steve-French]

It is weird how some of you fail to see the obvious issue here.
Cops are not your parents, gods, or above any laws.
They dont have the power, nor should you be okay with them unilaterally deciding on who lives and dies. We have courts, judges, and juries to decide punishment.
No matter how much you or a cop thinks a dirt bag thief deserves a beating or a bullet, that isnt the society we live in. We have laws, for everyone, the police arent above them

I see the issue and said I don't support cops acting that way. I just don't give a shit. I've had plenty of run-ins with the cops when I was younger. I have been arrested and had to do a little bit of time in the county jail several times; and all of that shit was my own dumb ass fault. Which is also the case for 99.9% of the people getting arrested.

Life isn't always fair, but if you don't do stupid shit, stupid shit doesn't happen to you. The same thing can be said for the cop in the OP. He broke the rules and now it's probably going to cost him his job. I just don't have any sympathy for criminals when they get roughed up.

 

[7437]

were the cops wearing body cams??

that would sort this story out real quick.

They were, and so far are refusing to release the footage

 

[dildos]

They were, and so far are refusing to release the footage

hah, well given they are refusing to release it. then as of right now i would believe the victims family.

 

[TheOldMan]

I just don't like the blanket excuse for "certain" types of criminals, like it's just an assumption that "certain" criminals didn't have plenty of opportunities they just didn't take in life. Like this case, for instance. Nobody knows anything about this guy's life, but since he's a "certain" type of criminal who was abused by a cop, we have to find some level of sympathy for the guy. You see this in all these threads, and it doesn't matter if they're a guy who was clearly abused by a cop, or a guy who shot at cops after committing a double homicide and got killed. There's always this immediate mindset that we must have a level of sympathy for them because "we are all human" or some other hippie dippy shit. I just don't subscribe to that mindset. Some humans are genuine worthless pieces of shit, who eventually get exactly what they deserve. This guy was a thief. I genuinely don't care that he got kicked in the head by a cop. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.

We both agree and disagree with many points here.

The biggest issue I have though is the need to whittle it down to:

"If that makes me a bad person, then so be it."

I'll outright say that no it doesn't make you a bad person. In my opinion it's a bad trait. But most often times a trait doesn't define a person, much like the person in question in the video...
I know you see the parallels in that as you're very intelligent, just young.

And no, youth doesn't mean that you don't know what you're saying, because in many instances you do. But after a while I guess one realizes that people come and go, opinions change, life changes and in the end all that's left and matters is how we treat others. If that's too "hippy dippy" for you, then cool.

But no matter any differences of opinion, just keep an open mind man. As you know none of us fit neatly into the little partisan boxes we were given by the powers that be.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

hah, well given they are refusing to release it. then as of right now i would believe the victims family.

This shooting happened on the 14th, one day before your post. Footage will never be released that quickly. In some cases it’s not even up to the police to release it. If there’s any outside investigatory body (as there should be imo) then it will be up to them whether to release the footage or not. A judge or the prosecutors could block the release. There are also privacy concerns: the family would need to ok the release and could potentially block it. In DC I know it’s up to the mayor whether to release footage.

Now I have no idea what the situation in wherever in MD this is, and I’m not looking it up right now. I’m also not saying this shooting was justified as I have no idea. But it’s not so simple as to say, “the cops refused to release it so they must be lying.” There have been cases where footage came out later (was released long after the shooting) that vindicated police.

It would be better if there were more formalized and consistent rules regarding the release of footage. But you also have to consider this proliferation of body cams is still pretty new.