What are your all time HW rankings?

[NoBiasJustMMA]

The guys back then were more roided up but not nearly as skilled as they are today.

Bullshit, back then there was a lot more guys with well rounded games like Fedor, Big Nog, Barnett, Sergei and Werdum and much more technical strikers like Sergei, Aleksander, Fedor, Cro Cop, Hunt and even Big Nog who had crisp boxing but not a lot of power.

If you honestly think that HWs now are more skilled than they were in Pride you simply don't know what you are looking at.

The submission game at HW is practically non existent and there aren't very many technical strikers, just a bunch of brawlers.

 

[gono btw]

The guys back then were more roided up but not nearly as skilled as they are today.

Even dat No Rush ´tard fanbase is on da ol´school´s side!

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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...skill-set-mma-evolution-the-hws-case.3815393/

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https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ma-evolution-the-disorganized-ww-div.3873877/

 

[JustBleed69]

Bullshit, back then there was a lot more guys with well rounded games like Fedor, Big Nog, Barnett, Sergei and Werdum and much more technical strikers like Sergei, Aleksander, Fedor, Cro Cop, Hunt and even Big Nog who had crisp boxing but not a lot of power.

If you honestly think that HWs now are more skilled than they were in Pride you simply don't know what you are looking at.

The submission game at HW is practically non existent and there aren't very many technical strikers, just a bunch of brawlers.

Just dudes clinging to the glory days of Pride, denying evolution. Es normal.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Just dudes clinging to the glory days of Pride, denying evolution. Es normal.

You have a terrible eye for technique.

What evolution? The striking technique isn't as good and the ground games aren't even close to as good. Watch DC vs Stipe 2 and then watch Fedor vs Cro Cop or Cro Cop vs Big Nog or Barnett vs Big Nog, or Aleksander vs Barnett or Aleksander vs Sergei or Sergei vs Werdum or Sergei vs Big Nog. Every one of those fights shows a higher level of striking technique and sub grappling.

Just cause time has passed doesn't mean everything gets better, there is a reason why HWs years passed their best were recently in the top 10 or still are like Arlovski(a few fights back) Overeem, JDS, Hunt(a few fights back) ect.

 

[Greg House]

The guys back then were more roided up but not nearly as skilled as they are today.

Nog fought guys like Crocop, Kharitonov, Barnett, Werdum in their prime. DC fought Derrick Lewis for the belt. Oh there is a difference in a skill all right. But is the other way around. The fact that you cannot see it says something about you...

 

[Greg House]

1. Fedor
2. Big Nog
3. Werdum
4. Stipe
5. JDS
6. Cain
7. Barnett
8. Sylvia
9. Cro Cop
10. Overeem

IMO the top 5 is easy(though Werdum and Stipe are close to interchangeable) once you get passed them it gets difficult to rank 6-10.

DC didn't make my top 10 due to lack of HW fights against top level guys same for Couture since they both split time between HW and LHW.

DC doesn't have enough HW fights against top competition. DC only has 7 fights at HW against top competition. Bigfoot, Mir, Nelson, Barnett, Lewis, Stipe x2.

Meh, and who has the great Sylvia beaten to be #8 if DC doesn't have enough wins to be there?

Arlovski, Rodriguez, Monson and... Gan McGee?? Get the fuck out of here. He was a champ in a UFC division when Werdum, Nog, Crocop, Hunt, Barnett, Fedor, Khari and Aleks were all on Pride. At least DC beat the number one guy in the world, only the first 6 in your ranking can claim to have done that.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Meh, and who has the great Sylvia beaten to be #8 if DC doesn't have enough wins to be there?

Arlovski, Rodriguez, Monson and... Gan McGee?? Get the fuck out of here. He was a champ in a UFC division when Werdum, Nog, Crocop, Hunt, Barnett, Fedor, Khari and Aleks were all on Pride. At least DC beat the number one guy in the world, only the first 6 in your ranking can claim to have done that.

Fair enough but I would put others in the top 10 ahead of DC that have more than 7 top wins like Arlovski for example. DC has the same issue Hendo has, he split so much time between 2 divisions that I don't rank him as highly as I would in either division if he spent more time in just one division.

 

[JustBleed69]

You have a terrible eye for technique.

What evolution? The striking technique isn't as good and the ground games aren't even close to as good. Watch DC vs Stipe 2 and then watch Fedor vs Cro Cop or Cro Cop vs Big Nog or Barnett vs Big Nog, or Aleksander vs Barnett or Aleksander vs Sergei or Sergei vs Werdum or Sergei vs Big Nog. Every one of those fights shows a higher level of striking technique and sub grappling.

Just cause time has passed doesn't mean everything gets better, there is a reason why HWs years passed their best were recently in the top 10 or still are like Arlovski(a few fights back) Overeem, JDS, Hunt(a few fights back) ect.

Cro Cop vs Fedor is one of the most overrated fights in MMA history. Just 2 dudes throwing virtually 0 combos, only pot-shotting, and look how Cro Cop did in the UFC. Got KOd by Gonzaga in his prime for fucks sake. DC or Stipe would murk almost, if not all, of those guys pretty convingly imo

 

[Greg House]

Fair enough but I would put others in the top 10 ahead of DC that have more than 7 top wins like Arlovski for example.

But you value losses too, right? Otherwise you would have put Overeem in the top 5 instead of #10, or at least above of Cain. Overeem beat Kharitonov, Werdum, Rogers, Vovchanchyn, Lesnar, Mir, Roy Nelson, JDS, Arlovski and Mark Hunt. He has 12 wins over ranked opponents, only Fedor and Nog have more in that division.

Like Overeem, Arlovski lost as much as he won. DC only lost to Stipe...

 

[JustBleed69]

Nog fought guys like Crocop, Kharitonov, Barnett, Werdum in their prime. DC fought Derrick Lewis for the belt. Oh there is a difference in a skill all right. But is the other way around. The fact that you cannot see it says something about you...

Nog fought Werdum in his prime and got absolutely massacred, yeah you're right.

 

[jenlans]

Definitely. The resume and strength of schedule between the two guys isn't really that comparable. JDS hasn't had an easy fight in the UFC whereas Cain did. If anything the only reason why Cain is so heralded is because of his wins over JDS. People just transfer all of JDS' accomplishments over to Cain.

Not to mention JDS beat Cain as well. So Cain only has one more win than him when facing each other in their primes. Not trying to knock Cain either but his 2nd best wins in his career were his 2 dominations of trt/roided Bigfoot which is no joke. Bigfoot was a beast! Other than that Cain had a few other solid wins. I don’t count a shot Big Nog and Lesnar as great wins. JDS beat Cain, Werdum(who was 1 win away from a title shot at the time), Stipe who had just entered his prime, Hunt who was on on the longest hw win streak at the time and one win away from title shot, barely past their primes in crocop and Mir, prime Lewis, prime Nelson, prime Carwin, prime Gonzaga, and several other solid wins including guys like Rothwell who JDS and Cain both beat easily. The only reason JDS has more losses than Cain is cuz Cain hardly ever fought.

 

[AdamantiumPimmel]

1. Giant Silva
2. Akebono
3. Zuluzinho
4. Butterbean
5. Sentoryu
6. Hong Man Choi
7. Twin Tigers Mat/Mal Foki
8. Kimbo
9. Dada 5000
10. James Thompson

 

[Greg House]

Nog fought Werdum in his prime and got absolutely massacred, yeah you're right.

Well past his prime at that point. I don't blame you for nitpicking something while trying to save face. Your ignorance made you look like a fool. Now there is no much you can do but to try to be funny and deflect.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

But you value losses too, right? Otherwise you would have put Overeem in the top 5 instead of #10, or at least above of Cain. Overeem beat Kharitonov, Werdum, Rogers, Vovchanchyn, Lesnar, Mir, Roy Nelson, JDS, Arlovski and Mark Hunt. He has 12 wins over ranked opponents, only Fedor and Nog have more in that division.

Like Overeem, Arlovski lost as much as he won. DC only lost to Stipe...

It's not just ranked wins but also title wins and peak. Overeem was never the number 1 guy in any top organization, Dream wasn't one of the best and he was Strikeforce champion before they were top level, he also has issues with PEDs.

Outside of the top 4, Fedor, Big Nog Werdum/Stipe the best HWs of all time are really hard to rank and there's always going to be different opinions on 5-10.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Fedor, Big Nog, Werdum, Stipe

 

[Greg House]

It's not just ranked wins but also title wins and peak. Overeem was never the number 1 guy in any top organization, Dream wasn't one of the best and he was Strikeforce champion before they were top level, he also has issues with PEDs.

Arlovski was never the number one either. When he was a "champ". Fedor was number one. Even crocop and nog were ranked higher than the UFC champ back then. UFC happened to get bigger after Pride went down but that doesn't mean he was. Overeem fought both Rogers and Werdum for Strikeforce belt which was as legit as the UFC belt was when Arlovski had it. Werdum was even the "lineal champ" bewcause he had just beaten Fedor.

You know who was actually a champion along with being ranked number one in the world, and defended that title too? DC...

Ps: And about PEDs, that didn't seem to matter much for Werdum that you have at #3...

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Well past his prime at that point. I don't blame you for nitpicking something while trying to save face. Your ignorance made you look like a fool. Now there is no much you can do but to try to be funny and deflect.

Yes, Big Nog fought and won a decision in Pride against Werdum. He was prime for the first fight in 2006.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Cro Cop vs Fedor is one of the most overrated fights in MMA history. Just 2 dudes throwing virtually 0 combos, only pot-shotting, and look how Cro Cop did in the UFC. Got KOd by Gonzaga in his prime for fucks sake. DC or Stipe would murk almost, if not all, of those guys pretty convingly imo

There were plenty of combos in Fedor vs Cro Cop, just cause they weren't swinging wildly and actually showed good defense as well doesn't mean their striking wasn't good.

Cro Cop had like 100+ fights between kickboxing, boxing and MMA and multiple knee and ankle surgeries by the time he was in the UFC, he wasn't in his prime.

Stipe would lose to a lot of guys in Pride, Sergei, Aleksander, Fedor and Cro Cop were all better strikers than him, he's doing well in an aging division full of mostly past their prime guys that are still good enough to be in the top 15. DC would probably beat most in Pride but he would lose more than he has in the UFC as well.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Arlovski was never the number one either. When he was a "champ". Fedor was number one. Even crocop and nog were ranked higher than the UFC champ back then. UFC happened to get bigger after Pride went down but that doesn't mean he was. Overeem fought both Rogers and Werdum for Strikeforce belt which was as legit as the UFC belt was when Arlovski had it. Werdum was even the "lineal champ" bewcause he had just beaten Fedor.

You know who was actually a champion along with being ranked number one in the world, and defended that title too? DC...

I didn't say he was, I said he was said he was number 1 in a top organization. UFC wasn't as good as Pride but it was closer in talent than Strikeforce was before they picked up a lot of talent, their next best HW when Overeem won their title was Buentello.

Like I said in my previous post, most everyone is going to have a different 5-10 all time HW list.

 

[Greg House]

I didn't say he was, I said he was I said he was number 1 in a top organization. UFC wasn't as good as Pride but it was closer in talent than Strikeforce was before they picked up a lot of talent, their next best HW when Overeem won their title was Buentello.

And so was Overeem in Strikeforce when he beat Brett Rogers and Werdum (the "lineal champ" that had just beaten Fedor)

And I disagree about the talent. Strikeforce literally brought guys that would win a belt. Werdum and you know who? DC. Pezao and Overeem also fought for the belt. The level was head to head if you ask me.

Buentello won the belt in 2007, SF didn't matter back then. When Overeem was the champ all these guys I listed were there and he fought 2 that were ranked in the top 10.