International Western Elites testing the idea of Conscription * Update Interestiog discussion and breakdown by Russel Brand

[USA!USA!]

There will be no major war between world powers.. people forget that nukes exist. World powers will not be fighting each other to the extent where conscription will be needed. It's just not possible.

 

[Tatra]

hope so. there is always the risk that our misadventures come home to bite us and we are forced to defend our homelands

Europe is being invaded and destroyed by African & Asian immigrants, not Russian soldiers and there is no defence against that so far.

 

[Cid]

Interesting discussion by Russel Brand on the topic

How did Russell Brand become a thing?


A successful standup comedian who's not funny.
A successful actor who can't act.

And somehow less talented as an intellectual than he was a comedian or actor.


And he still just finds a way. It's amazing. Maybe I just don't get it.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

How did Russell Brand become a thing?


A successful standup comedian who's not funny.
A successful actor who can't act.

And somehow less talented as an intellectual than he was a comedian or actor.


And he still just finds a way. It's amazing. Maybe I just don't get it.

I'd say the latter.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

Conscription? That dog won't hunt in the UK, for several reasons

1)The British Armed Forces don't have the manpower or infrastructure to train, house, and equip tens of thousands of new recruits. Many of whom don't want to be there in the first place. Which brings me to my second point.

2)A large number of people would simply refuse to be conscripted. UK police can barely deal with a group of protestors sitting down in traffic. They'd have no chance in catching thousands of people who refuse to turn up for military service.

This may be true now but isn’t the UK (and the rest of Europe) starting rearmament? Couldn’t they build the capability to house and train tens of thousands of troops over the next several years?

As for your second point, I think the military would do a much better job than the police at catching people.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

How did Russell Brand become a thing?


A successful standup comedian who's not funny.
A successful actor who can't act.

And somehow less talented as an intellectual than he was a comedian or actor.


And he still just finds a way. It's amazing. Maybe I just don't get it.

 

[KnightTemplar]

This may be true now but isn’t the UK (and the rest of Europe) starting rearmament? Couldn’t they build the capability to house and train tens of thousands of troops over the next several years?

As for your second point, I think the military would do a much better job than the police at catching people.

1)British politicians hate spending money on the Military. Paying lip service to the idea of rearming the Armed Forces is a lot easier than paying actual cash. And politicians have flat-out denied that conscription will ever happen again. In no small part because any government that reintroduced Conscription would be unelectable for at least a generation.

2)We currently have the smallest Army since the Napoleonic Wars; around 75, 000 Regular troops. Royal Navy and RAF less than half that number each. This is barely enough for each Service to carry out their core duties, without chasing down, arresting and transporting potentially thousands of draft dodgers, to use the American term.

And even if you had the manpower and infrastructure to do it, what are you going to do with people who simply refuse to serve? Threaten them with jail? British jails are a lot more comfortable than sitting in a freezing cold trench, waiting for hordes of Orcs to come rampaging over the hills.

Conscription won't happen in the UK. And if things ever get bad enough for someone to try, the war will be over and we'll all be dead before it gets off the ground.

 

[SandisLL]

These things are definitely being discussed behind closed doors, and the fact they're telling us about them shows how serious the current geopolitical situation is.

These countries are also signalling that they can't actually afford to fund a full scale army, so are considering training 'citizen armies' (ie, unpaid soldiers).

It's imperative that Russia specifically isn't allowed to steamroll over Ukraine.

Ofc behind scenes and yeah, IMHO large scale war is possible.
West had showed delays and reluctance to supply Ukraine in time and properly.
Therefore there had been provided proof that countries borders might be changed with force and also U.N appeared useless.

Therefore what after this we already do have?
1. Venezuela claiming 3/4 from Gyuan territory.
2. China more cocky.
3. Kim is feeling like a king.
4. Iran and NK getting support from Russia and giving support to Russia.
5. Russo- Iranian friendly HAMAS and Housithes activated....
6. Serbia again is more aggressive ....remember 1990 ies...

7. Hitler : alaska is historical empire's part...
8. Kim: piss off sanctions doesn't work and I will continue missiles tests and prepare for war....
9. Junta in Niger.
10. War in Sudan....

 

[SandisLL]

There will be no major war between world powers.. people forget that nukes exist. World powers will not be fighting each other to the extent where conscription will be needed. It's just not possible.

You had forget Vietnam and Korea?
Convenctional large scale war is possible...again.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

1)British politicians hate spending money on the Military. Paying lip service to the idea of rearming the Armed Forces is a lot easier than paying actual cash. And politicians have flat-out denied that conscription will ever happen again. In no small part because any government that reintroduced Conscription would be unelectable for at least a generation.

2)We currently have the smallest Army since the Napoleonic Wars; around 75, 000 Regular troops. Royal Navy and RAF less than half that number each. This is barely enough for each Service to carry out their core duties, without chasing down, arresting and transporting potentially thousands of draft dodgers, to use the American term.

And even if you had the manpower and infrastructure to do it, what are you going to do with people who simply refuse to serve? Threaten them with jail? British jails are a lot more comfortable than sitting in a freezing cold trench, waiting for hordes of Orcs to come rampaging over the hills.

Conscription won't happen in the UK. And if things ever get bad enough for someone to try, the war will be over and we'll all be dead before it gets off the ground.

1.) I think the wheels of war are starting to turn. Tensions are building and I don’t think a larger conflict can be avoided at this point. The UK and the rest of Europe may not have a choice anymore. If they have a decade to prepare, propagandize, and build the necessary military infrastructure to train people. I don’t think you are giving Brits enough credit. If they were facing an imminent threat they would defend themselves. I do see your point that having any sort of pro military policy would probably be a death sentence for your political career with the general population. Not unlike it was before WWII.

The UK government needs to find a way to convince the populace to join the military. The only way to do that is to increase military spending and improve the incentives of joining. They also need to get it through to the population that war might be coming and they need to be ready to fight.

I’m not suggesting they start rounding people up right now, you’re right, that wouldn’t work.

 

[meauneau]

It's imperative that Russia specifically isn't allowed to steamroll over Ukraine.

Why? How would it affect America if Russia steamrolled over Ukraine?

 

[SandisLL]

1)British politicians hate spending money on the Military. Paying lip service to the idea of rearming the Armed Forces is a lot easier than paying actual cash. And politicians have flat-out denied that conscription will ever happen again. In no small part because any government that reintroduced Conscription would be unelectable for at least a generation.

2)We currently have the smallest Army since the Napoleonic Wars; around 75, 000 Regular troops. Royal Navy and RAF less than half that number each. This is barely enough for each Service to carry out their core duties, without chasing down, arresting and transporting potentially thousands of draft dodgers, to use the American term.

And even if you had the manpower and infrastructure to do it, what are you going to do with people who simply refuse to serve? Threaten them with jail? British jails are a lot more comfortable than sitting in a freezing cold trench, waiting for hordes of Orcs to come rampaging over the hills.

Conscription won't happen in the UK. And if things ever get bad enough for someone to try, the war will be over and we'll all be dead before it gets off the ground.

Partially you are correct while not in all aspect.
A lot of voters better will prefer that their tax money had been spent on mandatory conscription service with this boosting up local jobs numbers, demand for local supplies and local MIC industry....with this creating more jobs again.
Also lesser number of unemployed youth walking around reduces crime risk....


EU countries IMHO might afford to introduce mandatory conscription and this will be cheaper than all expenses cos refugees, pumping money in africa, gaza and ukraine etc.

 

[SandisLL]

Why? How would it affect America if Russia steamrolled over Ukraine?

Already is affecting.
Your taxpayers will pay 17,6 b to Israel cos HAMAS and you will have inflation cos houthis....and will spend more $ for stuff in Pacific....

Guess why isolationist?
Economy is global! Businesses too and ....prices too.

I understand your typical isolationist dreamer's thinking: there is some village, let's sell them and we will be happy.

Wolrd see U.S weakness and they doesn't fear U.S anymore. Forget this.
MAGA guy.

 

[meauneau]

Already is affecting.
Your taxpayers will pay 17,6 b to Israel cos HAMAS and you will have inflation cos houthis....and will spend more $ for stuff in Pacific....

Guess why isolationist?
Economy is global! Businesses too and ....prices too.

I understand your typical isolationist dreamer's thinking: there is some village, let's sell them and we will be happy.

Wolrd see U.S weakness and they doesn't fear U.S anymore. Forget this.
MAGA guy.

Can you answer again but be more specific.

You mentioned how Hamas, Israel and Houthis affect the global economy. But how does Russia taking over Ukraine present a threat to America or the world?

 

[SandisLL]

Can you answer again but be more specific.

You mentioned how Hamas, Israel and Houthis affect the global economy. But how does Russia taking over Ukraine present a threat to America or the world?

It is fight for global dominance= wolrd hegemony.
Iran and North Korea are Belarus and Russia's allies and are supporting China.
Dictators in all world are seeing U.S weakness and therefore we see HAMAS, houthis, Venezuela claiming 3/4 of Gayan and junta in Niger, war in Somalia and.....be as isolationist as you want, economy is Global and prices & investments too.

You might intitially don't see direct ties how jobs and prices in U.S might be impacted cos shit made in Red Sea by houthis.

If I will explain that some contracts for Gulf countries crude oil and LNG supplies via Suez are....insured by U.K companies, shipping provided by directly or indirectly owned , co owned or credited by U.S investors companies .....
Also reality that IF supplies will be delayed euuropean company might order crude oil shipment from U.S ....to replace this ...and with this prices in U.S will go up and ....

Also rumours about refineries tied to certain sort of crude oil are partially useless...

If refinery is capable to process crude oil supplied by MBS etc....then with happiness will process Brent or WTI standard oil : Brent and WTI does have low sulfur % and therefore even cheaper to re process than russian Urals or usual Gulf oil sorts...
Inflation welcome.

Like with fun cos Ukraine.
EU didn't get supplies from Ukr in time and in full excepted ammounts....therefore companies had ordered vegetable oils from U.S, Brasil, Asia for replacement.
And Europe is capable to produce enough and ....to live without import...
While to reprocess vegatable oil into biodiesel ....doesn't matter it is palm oil, soybeans or corps or sunflower or rapseed oil. So purchase worldwide, reprocess and biodiesel is here.
Outcome: prices globally went up.

 

[SandisLL]

A lot of ppl are thinking that Ukraine is small village.
Ukraine, depending from harvest in said year had provided 6-10% world wheat export...
Refined vegetable oils: ~50%.
They also had exported not refined vegetable oil and other stuff.
From vegetable oils main products were sunflower oil, corp oil, rapsseed oil....

 

[Fluffernutter]

I'll think it's real once all 18 year olds, not just men, have to register with Selective Service.

 

[aerius]

1.) I think the wheels of war are starting to turn. Tensions are building and I don’t think a larger conflict can be avoided at this point. The UK and the rest of Europe may not have a choice anymore. If they have a decade to prepare, propagandize, and build the necessary military infrastructure to train people. I don’t think you are giving Brits enough credit. If they were facing an imminent threat they would defend themselves. I do see your point that having any sort of pro military policy would probably be a death sentence for your political career with the general population. Not unlike it was before WWII.

The UK government needs to find a way to convince the populace to join the military. The only way to do that is to increase military spending and improve the incentives of joining. They also need to get it through to the population that war might be coming and they need to be ready to fight.

I’m not suggesting they start rounding people up right now, you’re right, that wouldn’t work.

The military is an extension of a nation's society & economy, it doesn't exist as a separate entity. You're not going to get a bigger & better army simply by throwing more money & incentives at it, to put it bluntly, the people have to believe their nation & way of life is worth dying for if they're going to join the armed forces. Most younger folks in Western nations have become disillusioned with the way their nations are being run and they're not exactly happy about how society & their older generations have treated them, they ain't joining the military & dying for their country. I'm not dying in some desert in the middle of Bumfuckistan so that Exxon-Mobil can rack up another $60 billion in yearly profits.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

There will be no major war between world powers.. people forget that nukes exist. World powers will not be fighting each other to the extent where conscription will be needed. It's just not possible.

There's literally a major war happening between world powers right now in Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

I'll think it's real once all 18 year olds, not just men, have to register with Selective Service.

Age doesn't determine are you male or no.

Maturity is different thing and it is moral not sexual or trolling thing for enterainment in cubicle.
For example I had 2 car accidents as passenger and 0 as driver.
Once driver after this had acted as bitc*.
In next case driver was dumb and actually quilty for shit he had done while after shit he did everything in his abilities to do scheduled flowcharts despite he was barely funcitoning. Guy had asked ambulalnce to care for us and had told that there is very cold.
There's difference between dreams and reality how you will care about passengers when you are on adrenaline and have damaged kideney and splenum & hand instead to dream about masculinity and trolling. Such is difference between something and ....male....from my experience.

While ofc I agree that borders physical control and protection should be increased and not only cos immigrants, also cos risk because smuggling and huge risk to get terrorists, seasoned criminals and diversants & spies . ...