International Western Elites testing the idea of Conscription * Update Interestiog discussion and breakdown by Russel Brand

[nixkid]

The most effective thing China can do against the US militarily is wait.

We'll destroy ourselves for them if they wait long enough,

 

[HomeCheese]

in a few decades they'll be doing most of fighting.
Wagner showed the future. why bother with unwilling conscription? nobody wants to join the military anymore.

If American citizens are not willing to sign up perhaps we should rethink our military missions. People being patriotic isn't the problem, Americans will sign up for a good cause.

Certainly Vietnam was not a good cause, as soon as the draft went into affect the movement against the war went up exponentially.

Having a military that would require's a draft to go into any major offensive action would be a way of keeping government in check.

We should not be spending a dime on mercenaries.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that society has not advanced at all in thousands of years? Rich powers still hire people to kill for them and it's not a crime. I mean, WTF.

 

[HomeCheese]

Better for who? Guessing you don't have sons.

Certainly the mercenary himself is somebodies son. I just think as Americans we don't have a lot of skin in the game. If we used American citizens for all our military needs then maybe we would need a draft.

I think people would pay much greater attention to politics if they are worried about their kid getting drafted. I think as a society we have lost this check and balance.

 

[Copper Burner]

Russia didn't even want to start there (it took an enormous amount of provocation from the US, and even then they had to send Agent Boris to block a incredibly favorable to Ukraine peace treaty shortly after the invasion started), and it only has 120 million people, the idea Russia is going to rampage through Europe 'for the evuls' is simply insane warmongering propaganda from the scum who actually did start this and actually do want it to become larger in scale and to use us (the same people they call 'useless whites' or 'deplorables') as meat for their conflicts (hence the topic of this thread - yes, they're putting out the feelers and they're gonna start finding ways to manipulate people into their armies) just like they used the Ukrainians, it's crazy (and worrying) anyone still believes them after more than 20 years of naked lies.

You should have way more likes for this. Bravo dude. Great post.

 

[USA!USA!]

These were real proxy wars and nor NK nor North Vietnam needed to run around world in order to beg for weapons.
You anyway will vote for Donald again in order to make america great again ...in dreams. There's nothing worth to debate here IMHO.

Lol I’ve never supported Trump.

Proxy wars are not direct conflicts between world powers - like I said.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Certainly the mercenary himself is somebodies son. I just think as Americans we don't have a lot of skin in the game. If we used American citizens for all our military needs then maybe we would need a draft.

I think people would pay much greater attention to politics if they are worried about their kid getting drafted. I think as a society we have lost this check and balance.

The mercenary is participating voluntarily, that's the main difference.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Doesn't it strike you as odd that society has not advanced at all in thousands of years? Rich powers still hire people to kill for them and it's not a crime. I mean, WTF.

yeah, this hasn't changed unfortunately and i don't see it changing.
it sort of stopped for about 100 years but it's poised for a comeback.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I actually disagree a little, what i think will happen is "foreign legion" concept becoming more popular

Merc companies are too expensive and pay ridiculous money , wagner paid 5x average monthly pay in russia.Now if we go to usa side it would be like 150k to 200k a year or 15k a month where i live which is way too much for ordinary grunt stuff

Easier to recruit poor third worlder into some official militarys "foreign legion" pay him shit money, put on flak jacket and send him forward while promising him citizenship or some other benefit

(FFL is full of third worlders who get paid 1200 euros a month which is basically nothing in france in my understanding)

could be. we discussed this before, haven't we?
a future of "foreign" armies.

 

[SandisLL]

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Lol I’ve never supported Trump.

Proxy wars are not direct conflicts between world powers - like I said.

If Ukr war was proxy war they didn't had ro work 24/7/365 to beg for ammo and weapons.

 

[SandisLL]

I actually disagree a little, what i think will happen is "foreign legion" concept becoming more popular

Merc companies are too expensive and pay ridiculous money , wagner paid 5x average monthly pay in russia.Now if we go to usa side it would be like 150k to 200k a year or 15k a month where i live which is way too much for ordinary grunt stuff

Easier to recruit poor third worlder into some official militarys "foreign legion" pay him shit money, put on flak jacket and send him forward while promising him citizenship or some other benefit

(FFL is full of third worlders who get paid 1200 euros a month which is basically nothing in france in my understanding)

1200 EUR take home monthly IRL isn't big money even in Poland or Baltics....

 

[moreorless87]

I'm guessing its mostly PR to push for increased funding as the impression I get is that modern western armies would view conscripts as a liability more than an asset, only really useful for doing manual work, I'm not sure the public will is there for them to be used as canon fodder.

The other aspect I spose is that national service can be a very useful tool to indoctrinate people to the viewpoint favoured by the military establishment, I think thats certainly the case in places like Russia and Israel.

 

[USA!USA!]

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If Ukr war was proxy war they didn't had ro work 24/7/365 to beg for ammo and weapons.

It is 100% a proxy war, or else NATO would have been bombing the shit out of Russian troops and the war would have ended many months ago.

 

[SandisLL]

It is 100% a proxy war, or else NATO would have been bombing the shit out of Russian troops and the war would have ended many months ago.

If it was real proxy war Ukraine didn't had been forced to run around world and to beg for weapons. NK and North Vietnam didn't had to do this.
While I don't want to change your opinion cos it will be waste of time and anyway useless effort. Surround and live happy.

Nearest refinery in my area is using mainly crude oil supplied via Suez Canal.
If they will not get this then easily migt get Brent or WTI and with this to boost up crude prices in U.S ....
WTI will be from U.S and it will be cool again.
Isolationism rullZ in dreams, it is business and nothing personal here.

So yeah, most likely new world order will win if you don't see Russia as China's vassal and Iran& Kim as Russia's proxies who are enough smart to use housithes and hamas as proxies in order to fight for new world order...

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

Russia bogged down in Ukraine for 2 years with minimum gains are going to push on into NATO territory lol

The US was in Afghanistan for nearly two decades and couldn’t defeat the Taliban. Going into another country and taking control by force isn’t an easy process. IF Russia does get control of Ukraine, that will only make their war machine stronger.

The UK isn't rearming. This whole topic was sparked by a careless comment made Gen Sir Patrick Sanders who was himself commenting on the dire state of recruitment and the lack of talent coming through to maintain the complex defence systems.

The Navy was always our strength, but that's now the weakest it's ever been with a recruitment crisis on top.

The RAF has been embroiled in scandal after scandal after they were caught discriminating against white males in lieu of aggressively pursuing women and minority pilots...which left them with...guess what...a shortage of competent pilots

The British army has always specialised in savage highly skilled operators rather than meat grinder troops. Unfortunately the youth here aren't getting fitter or meaner and they can't find troops.

Those are all problems that can be fixed over time. Drop the virtue signaling bullshit and slowly the problem will begin the fix itself. The general public in the UK also didn’t want to go to war during WWII, but once the Nazis became a direct threat to them that changed.

I've been hearing that since I was born, and that was in the middle of the Cold War. "If we don't do X the Soviets win and millions will die!" It's just more of the usual fear mongering.



Canada. All the propaganda in the world isn't going to convince anyone with a working brain to join the military these days.
Which is why the recruits you're getting are fucking useless.

I would be more inclined to believe Russia isn’t a threat if they were current invading and trying to conquer another country. Between the number of Ukrainians and Russians that have died during the combined conflicts is approaching 1 million. Will you care when it surpasses that number?

I never once said Russia was going to win, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t really wreak havoc on smaller countries. Such as, ohhh I don’t know, Ukraine or Maldova. Just because you don’t give a damn about those people doesn’t mean others don’t.

You might think it’s just more fear mongering but I think you’re just shoving your head in the sand and trying to ignore the reality of what is happening.

Russia didn't even want to start there (it took an enormous amount of provocation from the US, and even then they had to send Agent Boris to block a incredibly favorable to Ukraine peace treaty shortly after the invasion started), and it only has 120 million people, the idea Russia is going to rampage through Europe 'for the evuls' is simply insane warmongering propaganda from the scum who actually did start this and actually do want it to become larger in scale and to use us (the same people they call 'useless whites' or 'deplorables') as meat for their conflicts (hence the topic of this thread - yes, they're putting out the feelers and they're gonna start finding ways to manipulate people into their armies) just like they used the Ukrainians, it's crazy (and worrying) anyone still believes them after more than 20 years of naked lies.

So, Russia didn’t invade Ukraine is 2014 and take territory? How many times does Russian need to attack another country for you to consider them hostile?

Less than 8k US troops died during the entirety of Iraq and Afghanistan. How many hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers have died in Ukraine? You expect me to believe the US is the country that views its people as meat?

 

[aerius]

I would be more inclined to believe Russia isn’t a threat if they were current invading and trying to conquer another country. Between the number of Ukrainians and Russians that have died during the combined conflicts is approaching 1 million. Will you care when it surpasses that number?

I never once said Russia was going to win, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t really wreak havoc on smaller countries. Such as, ohhh I don’t know, Ukraine or Maldova. Just because you don’t give a damn about those people doesn’t mean others don’t.

You might think it’s just more fear mongering but I think you’re just shoving your head in the sand and trying to ignore the reality of what is happening.

Why the fuck would I care about the Ukraine? I sure as fuck don't care about the millions of people who are genocided in Africa every few years, or the countless ethnic minorities in China who've been wiped out & forced into slavery by China, nor the tens of thousands killed in various conflicts in the Middle East. Why is Europe special? Why the fuck should I care about them? They can sort that shit out themselves, it ain't my concern. If they die, they die.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

Why the fuck would I care about the Ukraine? I sure as fuck don't care about the millions of people who are genocided in Africa every few years, or the countless ethnic minorities in China who've been wiped out & forced into slavery by China, nor the tens of thousands killed in various conflicts in the Middle East. Why is Europe special? Why the fuck should I care about them? They can sort that shit out themselves, it ain't my concern. If they die, they die.

Uhhhh because Europe is our biggest ally. If your best friend is at risk of getting their ass kick, you step in and help. We are lucky people back in the 30’s and 40’s weren’t gigantic pussies. Keep shoving your head in the sand.

 

[aerius]

Uhhhh because Europe is our biggest ally. If your best friend is at risk of getting their ass kick, you step in and help. We are lucky people back in the 30’s and 40’s weren’t gigantic pussies. Keep shoving your head in the sand.

YOUR biggest ally. Not mine, nor my country's. Europe could disappear off the face of the Earth and very little would change where I live other than German cars going bye-bye. Taiwan is more important to my country than all of Europe put together. Same with Japan, South Korea, and even Thailand and Brazil.

 

[CrimsomSky]

Canada have recruitment problems for years because they have been shiting on their main pool candidates, straight white males from the country. lol they want immigrants as COs while whites are the cannon fodder. They even block carrier progression in ranks and job opportunities to benefit brown people. They shot themselves in the foot if war is coming.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

YOUR biggest ally. Not mine, nor my country's. Europe could disappear off the face of the Earth and very little would change where I live other than German cars going bye-bye. Taiwan is more important to my country than all of Europe put together. Same with Japan, South Korea, and even Thailand and Brazil.

If China were to invade Taiwan, would you actually even be willing to help? You see China as a threat but not Russia; even though China and Russia are both allies and anything that strengthens one also strengthens the other?

 

[CrimsomSky]

Because people are stupid monkeys still in awe and fear of fire while some few sociopathic people learned to use that to their benefits in various ways.

Clean cut way of describing human civilization as a whole.