Werdum

Outside of a one punch KO, Cain has been one of the most dominant fighters in MMA history. To sit here and pretend like what a 38 year old Werdum did was not impressive makes you a fucking clown.
 
GAR said:
TS you are a moron, Werdum toyed with what was considered by many the best HW in the world.
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The second time he tore down someone from the number one spot in the world.
 
KrowX said:
He actually did. He was pressed against the fence and he was dirty boxed. Exactly like what happened against JDS. JDS also resisted a lot in the first round. He escaped from the clinch, stuffed takedowns and landed a few bombs. That didn
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if starting threads full of stupidity were painful, the sherdog forums would be empty.

The best case scenario for the cain apologists is that he lost because he was too fucking stupid to train for the fight properly. if the best argument you can make still makes your guy look like an idiot, it might be time to keep your mouth shut and pray he wins the rematch.
 
Either

A not as good fighter beat the champ due to training harder and being more prepared.
OR
A better fighter beat the champ because he's simply better.

Doesn't matter how you want to view the story, the win is just as valid either way. Congratulations to Werdum.
 
I guess TS is 50-0 in pro muay thai with 35 KOes by Knee's in the clinch. He knows so much about Muay Thai
 
Moving to Mexico city is not only about altitude, it is about getting your lungs used to the Asthma inducing smog. He needs to train in a gym with ozone generators and a dirty diesel truck running next to the sparring mat.
 
ragnarocker said:
cain looked bad because werdum made him look ad, starting with his training and acclimation to altitude. Werdum looked like a genius for spending 2 months in mexico and learning the language so he's fluent at it. In comparison cain looks like a mexican-american who can barely speak spanish and can't stand the altitude.
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pure gold !!!!
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Great one TS.... you are so dumb you don't even realize it....there are several thai clich gifs around for you to look showing how good Werdum clinch is so I'm not bothering to paste em here for you.

And all your points are debunked for the simple fact that Werdum won the first round too...

He ate everything Cain had for him, won the round, and then finished the fight in the second.

Wake up bro, Cain is a great fighter but he is also overrated by fans....the guy fought 3 people in like 3 years and lost to 2 of them.

Bottom line is, Werdum fought Cain's fight (stand up/clinch game) until he had him gassed and then finished. You have to be a major league retard to call that overrated.
 
Butt hurt Velasquez fans make me laugh. Werdum owned in that fight, no two ways about it.
 
Ragnarocker said:
Read the interview with his trainer Javier Mendez. He begged Cain to move back home and train in Mexico, but Cain was "nah I'm good, two weeks is enough in that shithole". So the fact that he wasn't prepared for the altitude is his own fault the same as if he didn't train takedown defense or BJJ or anything else he needed to train to be a champion fighter.
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Read the topic, retard. This is exactly my fucking point. Werdum didn
 
You need to get ur head/eyes checked cain got beat up so badly that he jumped into a sub and asked for the fight to be stopped.
 
Werdum by father vs son shlackin
 
Somebody should post the statistics of the fight.

I know they don't always tell the story in all accuracy but it would help your point TS.

Both were hurt, gassed, and fighting ugly.


I also agree people say Cain got destroyed are idiots. But your argument is making arguments like mine look as bad as yours.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Cain fans excuses for his loss are overrated.



Cain won 3 minutes of the first, then got battered like a bobblehead until he quit and gave Verdoom the guilly.
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i'm not a cain fan, not a werdum fan

i'll bet 10000 vcash and $100 USD cain wins the rematch
 
JohnWick said:
Lmao. He still lost bro, let it go... let it go!
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i don't care, i have no dog invested in that fight

i'm talking about from the point of view of who's gonna win a rematch
 
You are going to get flamed because everyone here has a hard on for werdum, but I agree that the result of the fight had more to do with Cain being off than Werdum doing anything spectacular. Everyone will see in the rematch when Cain destroys Werdum
 
KrowX said:
People overrate how good Werdum looked and underrate how bad Cain looked.

First off all, Werdum´s wrestling clinch and thai clinch game is shit. I know everyone by now has convinced themselves that Werdum´s clinch is amazing and destroyed Cain, but it isn´t, and it didn´t. That´s a myth.

In Round 1 Cain controlled the clinch. He did exactly what he wanted to do, he pushed Werdum against the fence and dirty boxed him. That´s exactly Cain´s game. Werdum couldn´t stopped Cain from pressing him against the fence and punch him.

"Ohh, but, but, but, but Werdum´s That clinch"

No. Shut up. You know nothing about Muay Thai. Werdum´s thai clinch is shit. That´s why Cain broke the hold every time Werdum tried something and prevented pretty much all knees in Round 1. If you can´t hold the thai clinch for more than a few seconds and you fail to land anything, you´re not having the success you wanna have.

"Ohh, but, but, but, it tired Cain"

No. Shut up. You know nothing about Muay Thai. Holding someone´s neck for 5 or 6 seconds a few times in 1 round won´t make someone like Cain gas out in 4 minutes. The goal of the Thai clinch is to land knees. If you´re not doing that, you´re not doing much.

Cain is a wrestler, and a damn good one. Got taken down by Lesnar, got pressed against the fence for almost a whole minute and was still fresh after all that. Do you really believe that Werdum holding is neck for a few seconds is more energy consuming than being controlled by 285 pound Brock Lesnar? You´re delusional.

"Ohhh, but Werdum´s striking game was just too good. He destroyed Cain standing"

No. Shut up. You know nothing about Muay Thai. Werdum faced the sloppiest Cain we´ve ever seen and still managed to get tagged almost as many times as he tagged Cain. Poor head movement, poor speed, sloppy technique. And he was going against a guy that by the end of round 1 was dead.

Cain lost the fight because in round 2 he didn´t have the energy to do what he was doing in round 1. He simply wasn´t prepared for the altitude. It´s as simple as that and it happens with athletes from all sports.

Anyone who says Werdum was responsible for Cain gassing don´t know what they´re talking about. Go watch the JDS fights. Watch how many bombs and elbows JDS landed during the fight. Go watch how many times Junior defended Cain´s takedowns. ALL THAT didn´t stop Cain from doing what he had to do, but somehow Werdum, with a few seconds of neck holding managed to tire Cain in 1 round? You´re all delusional.

Oh, and i bet the same guys who will respond to this topic barking about how wrong i am are the same who thought JDS would beat Cain in the second fight.
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:icon_lol: - :icon_idea - :redface:
 
MMAFan232 said:
You are going to get flamed because everyone here has a hard on for werdum, but I agree that the result of the fight had more to do with Cain being off than Werdum doing anything spectacular. Everyone will see in the rematch when Cain destroys Werdum
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One month long AV bet? I'll take Werdum.
 
This KrowX guy is my favorite clown on Sherdog. I remember his thread about Werdum and Cain before they fought for the first time, and it was exactly the same. All this quasi-intellectual bullshit and arrogance coming from a guy who has certainly never trained a day in his life before.

Where were your arguments and condescending insults when Werdum beat the brakes off Cain and made him tap? I seem to recall you just vanished from that thread. Possibly to cry your eyes out.

If Werdum has SHIT clinch techniques(giving yourself the right to insult the technique of someone who is a UFC champion with the credentials of Werdum basically flashes your double digit IQ like a casino sign) how did he manage to obliderate Cain? Excuses about his performance are hillarious, even he would disagree with you.

Basically, you haven't the slightest clue about fighting, so your arrogant sentences are hillarious to read. Please, amaze us with some more of your superior analyzing skills.
 
It's clear Werdum is a big man with skills

He's improved steadily through out his career and has found the right trainer.

He obviously won because he had superior skill and a game plan.

Cain lost because he didn't have one and kept making mistakes regardless to what Werdum was doing. The pressure game has worked wonders for him in the past but not in this last fight.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
lol, no he didn't, JDS practically never punishes takedown attempts and has one of the worst clinch games at HW. He's the perfect guy to make Cain look great.
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Wrong. He made Cain chase him across the octagon and landed a few bombs, one of them hurt Cain right in the beginning. If you think that going for takedown after takedown, failing almost everytime, doesn
 
there is no way you can say that Werdum's performance was over rated, he fought a great fight and finished in less then 3 rounds. He fought the fight and style of Cain against his pressure and ended up dominating the fight as it progressed more and more.

The only time the fight was close and interesting was in round 1, both guys looked like themselves. I had Cain winning the 1st round on that fight, but as the fight progressed Werdum took over and dominated the striking and clinch game.

Now how much of that has to do with Cain having a bad night, being away for 18 months and the altitude/not being ready cardio wise?? We'll have to wait till they rematch to find out. But my guess is that we'll see a better version of Cain.
 
wlu29 said:
i don't care, i have no dog invested in that fight

i'm talking about from the point of view of who's gonna win a rematch
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If that's true why would you favor Cain in a rematch, what exactly did he do in the first fight that worked that he can do for 25 minutes?
 
KrowX youre the biggest fanboy on sherdog, but your threads are hilarious.
 
JKS said:
there is no way you can say that Werdum's performance was over rated, he fought a great fight and finished in less then 3 rounds. He fought the fight and style of Cain against his pressure and ended up dominating the fight as it progressed more and more.

The only time the fight was close and interesting was in round 1, both guys looked like themselves. I had Cain winning the 1st round on that fight, but as the fight progressed Werdum took over and dominated the striking and clinch game.
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He fought a great fighter coming from a 2 year lay off who didn
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Werdum overwhelmed and subbed one of the best HWs in MMA history. it wasn't overrated. It was sweet.

Learn to enjoy things like that rather than undermining them and you will enjoy MMA more. Hell, learn to apply the principle of appreciating good things and you will enjoy life more.
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High level poste.
 
KrowX said:
Wrong. He made Cain chase him across the octagon and landed a few bombs, one of them hurt Cain right in the beginning. If you think that going for takedown after takedown, failing almost everytime, doesn
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The problem was that Verdoom was at sea level and Cain was at over 9000 feet during the fight. It's not hard to see how much of a disadvantage Cain had in that fight.
 
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