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People overrate how good Werdum looked and underrate how bad Cain looked.

First off all, Werdum
 
Cain fans excuses for his loss are overrated.



Cain won 3 minutes of the first, then got battered like a bobblehead until he quit and gave Verdoom the guilly.
 
I dont agree. He figured out how to stop cain from putting him on the fence. No one before him has done so.
 
It should also be noted that Cain has always had sub par striking, especially his defense.
 
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Ouch. Poor Cain. Your time is over
 
as good as your last fight in this business, everyone knows that - he just won so hes amazing, cain lost and there is no further discussion warranted by the mob
 
Cain fans act like Werdum wasn't fighting under the same circumstances as Cain
 
The sea level shit is the thing that is not valid.

That's like saying Erick Silva only lost to Fitch because he didn't train enough TDD. If you decide not to train for something that is going to be a factor in the fight and it causes you to lose then there should be no complaining about it.
 
HHJ said:
I dont agree. He figured out how to stop cain from putting him on the fence. No one before him has done so.
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Pretty much this.

Just like JDS has this hole in his game that if you put him on the fence you take away most of his weapons, if you can make Cain strike in distance he's much less effective which is what Werdum was able to do.

Not to say the rematch is going the same way. Cain may adjust and beat Werdum, we never know.

It's what happened against JDS, he legitimately lost the first one striking at distance with him, then the second time around he didn't go the same way about it and wrecked JDS. The third was JDS trying to fight Cain again without any adjustment, and it went the same way as the second, not surprisingly.
 
Werdum overwhelmed and subbed one of the best HWs in MMA history. it wasn't overrated. It was sweet.

Learn to enjoy things like that rather than undermining them and you will enjoy MMA more. Hell, learn to apply the principle of appreciating good things and you will enjoy life more.
 
Can't take anything away from Werdum He deserved that win. It's Cain's own damn fault that he didn't take the proper time to acclimatize to the altitude.

That being said, I think Cain will beat him in the rematch.
 
Beat Cain in the feet, clinch and on the ground.

Outstruck him, had a better work rate and better stamina.

It was a performance we could expect from a prime Jones, GSP, Silva or Fedor (not saying he is among the goats, just talking about this performance).

What else do you want, TS?
 
Werdum gave Cain the business. Get over it.
 
Marco Tropoja said:
Pretty much this.

Just like JDS has this hole in his game that if you put him on the fence you take away most of his weapons, if you can make Cain strike in distance he's much less effective which is what Werdum was able to do.

Not to say the rematch is going the same way. Cain may adjust and beat Werdum, we never know.

It's what happened against JDS, he legitimately lost the first one striking at distance with him, then the second time around he didn't go the same way about it and wrecked JDS. The third was JDS trying to fight Cain again without any adjustment, and it went the same way as the second, not surprisingly.
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one thing i notices is werdums defense was not so good,neither is cains,so they lumped each other up in the pocket. so both guys can be got at there. In a rematch who knows? but Werdum absolutley deserves all the accolades,as strategically he took cains gameplan away from him
 
I disagree with the TS.

Werdum won the standup/clinch game which was shocking. I had expected his only chance was a flukey submission and instead he battered Cain to exhaustion.
 
Cain lost because he is not consistently capable of defending or improving himself, while Werdum is.

When you're thinking about who most deserves the title of "baddest man on the planet" a man who spends half his time as an invalid should not be up for consideration.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
It should also be noted that Cain has always had sub par striking, especially his defense.
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Very true. He always leaves himself open. The way he was just walking forward and letting werdum touch him with the jab was ridiculous.
 
If you could drastically improve your cardio so much so that it propels you beyond the division's elite in that department, by having one training camp in Mexico, everyone would do it.

Most sources I can find on acclimating to altitude list the time needed as days or even weeks. Cain had 2 weeks.

Let it go.
 
You don't need to make a thread about it, just wait for the rematch, I am sure it's going to be a lot different.
 
No way.It's one best of all time and the best one this year.

He dominated Cain from the first round landing the much heavier shots.
Then in the second round he stepped it up even more and smashed him to bits.
He schooled him and gave him the beating of a career.That round is the one which squashed the myth of Cain making him look like a little boy.
In the third round Cain could hardly stand up and then is masterfully put in a guillotine when he shot for a desperate takedown and is submitted.

Werdum schooled Cain and exposed him badly for the overrated fighter he is in a fight nobody expected to be so one sided.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Werdum overwhelmed and subbed one of the best HWs in MMA history. it wasn't overrated. It was sweet.

Learn to enjoy things like that rather than undermining them and you will enjoy MMA more. Hell, learn to apply the principle of appreciating good things and you will enjoy life more.
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Nobody is saying that he didn
 
So cain wasnt prepared for the altitude?
He wasnt prepared
what a dumbass ? he knew the fight was gonna happen at high altitude if he didnt prepare for that then WTF what a dumbass...
 
Yeah not only did he destroy in the standup from one of the most feared fighters and one of the greatest heavy weights of all time while being a huge under dog, he also submitted him. yeah not impressive at all.
 
Werdum is going to crush Cain in the rematch. The mods should ban your IP Address from making a new account so that you can eat your crow like a man.
 
Not this fucking idiot again.

You lost Cain, get over it. You're gonna lose the rematch as well.
 
Never seen a ts so badly besmirched.

What a fool, stop him making these shit threads.
 
KrowX said:
People overrate how good Werdum looked and underrate how bad Cain looked.

First off all, Werdum´s wrestling clinch and thai clinch game is shit. I know everyone by now has convinced themselves that Werdum´s clinch is amazing and destroyed Cain, but it isn´t, and it didn´t. That´s a myth.

In Round 1 Cain controlled the clinch. He did exactly what he wanted to do, he pushed Werdum against the fence and dirty boxed him. That´s exactly Cain´s game. Werdum couldn´t stopped Cain from pressing him against the fence and punch him.

"Ohh, but, but, but, but Werdum´s That clinch"

No. Shut up. You know nothing about Muay Thai. Werdum´s thai clinch is shit. That´s why Cain broke the hold every time Werdum tried something and prevented pretty much all knees in Round 1. If you can´t hold the thai clinch for more than a few seconds and you fail to land anything, you´re not having the success you wanna have.

"Ohh, but, but, but, it tired Cain"

No. Shut up. You know nothing about Muay Thai. Holding someone´s neck for 5 or 6 seconds a few times in 1 round won´t make someone like Cain gas out in 4 minutes. The goal of the Thai clinch is to land knees. If you´re not doing that, you´re not doing much.

Cain is a wrestler, and a damn good one. Got taken down by Lesnar, got pressed against the fence for almost a whole minute and was still fresh after all that. Do you really believe that Werdum holding is neck for a few seconds is more energy consuming than being controlled by 285 pound Brock Lesnar? You´re delusional.

"Ohhh, but Werdum´s striking game was just too good. He destroyed Cain standing"

No. Shut up. You know nothing about Muay Thai. Werdum faced the sloppiest Cain we´ve ever seen and still managed to get tagged almost as many times as he tagged Cain. Poor head movement, poor speed, sloppy technique. And he was going against a guy that by the end of round 1 was dead.

Cain lost the fight because in round 2 he didn´t have the energy to do what he was doing in round 1. He simply wasn´t prepared for the altitude. It´s as simple as that and it happens with athletes from all sports.

Anyone who says Werdum was responsible for Cain gassing don´t know what they´re talking about. Go watch the JDS fights. Watch how many bombs and elbows JDS landed during the fight. Go watch how many times Junior defended Cain´s takedowns. ALL THAT didn´t stop Cain from doing what he had to do, but somehow Werdum, with a few seconds of neck holding managed to tire Cain in 1 round? You´re all delusional.

Oh, and i bet the same guys who will respond to this topic barking about how wrong i am are the same who thought JDS would beat Cain in the second fight.
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Utterly besmirched.
 
What a ridiculous thread. It was one of the worst beatdowns I've seen in years.
 
PrinceOfPain said:
Cain lost because he is not consistently capable of defending or improving himself, while Werdum is.

When you're thinking about who most deserves the title of "baddest man on the planet" a man who spends half his time as an invalid should not be up for consideration.
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Maybe the proper title should be, "Baddest Man on the Planet on Crutches" or something like that?
 
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