Media Was Movsar Evloev a downed opponent when Allen landed those knees, or nah?

[StonedLemur]

No, the knees were fouls, not the lifting

The hand was not carrying weight.
The hand was off the ground or dragging with each knee.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The hand was not carrying weight.
The hand was off the ground or dragging with each knee.

Doesn't matter, it's Ontario. Touch means down

 

[StonedLemur]

Doesn't matter, it's Ontario. Touch means down

I hate the rule either way sir.

 

[Barteh]

You're allowed to lift your opponent sir.

He hit him four times, he definitely didn't lift up his opponent for every single one of those shots.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I hate the rule either way sir.

That's fair. The rule needed to be changed and yet the change didn't solve any confusion

 

[StonedLemur]

He hit him four times, he definitely didn't lift up his opponent for every single one of those shots.

The only one that was questionable was the last one under these weak convoluted rules sir.

 

[StonedLemur]

That's fair. The rule needed to be changed and yet the change didn't solve any confusion

Too much game playing with that rule.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The only one that was questionable was the last one under these weak convoluted rules sir.

Nah, the second one on the replay was pretty clear impacted when the hand was touching

 

[StonedLemur]

Nah, the second one on the replay was pretty clear impacted when the hand was touching

Touching...not carrying weight.

 

[World eater]

Almost every place has their own little change ups in SOME way. Take California. Sure, kicks to people's kneecaps aren't legal there and some people hate that, but they also have the fight night weights policy too that I find a breathe of fresh air.

Yes, but is not a good situation when rules change from event to event. The UFC should try to keep it the same anywhere they organize an event. Otherwise you have situations like this where the audience isn’t certain what’s going on, the fighters aren’t sure and neither was Goddard who said something along the lines “ I’m giving you a hard warning, but no piont deduction because he was dragging his hand while moving”. It’s not a good look.
Also, does it mean knees will be legal in China? Soccer kicks in Japan?

 

[DoctorTaco]

The unified rules have changed on this matter. Now you have to put weight on the hand and not just touch the mat

Legal knees.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Touching...not carrying weight.

Again, the rules

The unified rules have changed on this matter. Now you have to put weight on the hand and not just touch the mat

Legal knees.

Do people pay attention at all? Those don't apply here. Can we just loop this repeatedly or edit it into the first post or something

 

[StonedLemur]

Again, the rules

They are pretty vague sir.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

They are pretty vague sir.

They're not vague, they're just variable

 

[StonedLemur]

They're not vague, they're just variable

Which makes them convoluted and not at all solid.
That leads to them being up for "interpretation".

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Yes, but is not a good situation when rules change from event to event. The UFC should try to keep it the same anywhere they organize an event. Otherwise you have situations like this where the audience isn’t certain what’s going on, the fighters aren’t sure and neither was Goddard who said something along the lines “ I’m giving you a hard warning, but no piont deduction because he was dragging his hand while moving”. It’s not a good look.
Also, does it mean knees will be legal in China? Soccer kicks in Japan?

Oh, I had interpreted what Goddard's statement was him saying that is why you probably didn't think they were illegal, cuz despite the moving, he was able to drag it to keep himself grounded, so I don't think you were being intentional.

But yeah, it seems like fighters just don't care to listen to the rule differences that they are being instructed of backstage before events, and this creates problems

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Which makes them convoluted and not at all solid.
That leads to them being up for "interpretation".

It does make them convoluted, but they're not up for interpretation. Ironically, the new better version of the rule is the one that is more vague or up for interpretation because the ref has to guess at what's load-bearing, but this rule is not at all confusing here (even if it is incredibly shitty). Anything but the feet means no

 

[StonedLemur]

It does make them convoluted, but they're not up for interpretation. Ironically, the new better version of the rule is the one that is more vague or up for interpretation because the ref has to guess at what's load-bearing, but this rule is not at all confusing here (even if it is incredibly shitty). Anything but the feet means no

Its supposed to be palm down carrying weight.
That right there is up for interpretation.

I think the rule should be abolished completely.
No more gaming the system.

 

[OldBoy91]

Which makes them convoluted and not at all solid.
That leads to them being up for "interpretation".

Especially when they are called the "unified ruleset".

Yet they differ from country to country and even state to state.

 

[Ozze]

If it's in the rules than yes. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

And change the rules.