Was Frank Mir right about flyweights?

[CrazyN8]

Im not saying size and strenght arent a huge advantage, and not saying that it cant be the determining factor. but its not always the case,and past freakshow fights have proven that. We aren't talking about man vs animal so i dunno wtf your talking about there. Were talking about a comptetion between men, that we have seen many examples of skillset truimphant over size and strength. All the people shitting on my statement right are completely dodging the fact that Benevidez and Mendes are faster than Mir, better wrestlers, and hit hard enough to knock out most men.

Talking about skilled flyweights vs. untrained bigger guys is one thing. Talking them vs.a trained HW is ridiculous. I'm saying this now, there is no way, none, that MM takes down Mir, ever. To much of a wright disparity and not enough disparity in skill set.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Not so sure about that, you know there are a lot of people out there who are pretty good in a scrap who don't train MMA, and many of them are twice the size of MM

yes and those guys go on to golden gloves fights and gas in 60 seconds

 

[CrazyN8]

lol. People still believe this. An average 6' 220lb male with no fighting ability is not going to ragdoll Mighty Mouse or any flyweight for that matter. They'd get tapped out on the ground and probably brutally knocked out on the feet.

For any average dudes out there, go to your local BJJ club and try rolling with some of the more experienced smaller guys there. You'll probably be gassed in 5 minutes. Now magnify that by 10x and that's how well you do against any flyweight in the UFC.

I do roll with all sizes of people. And I have rolled with a brand-new white belt who outweighed me by 80lbs. I mounted him, he just pushed me off of him like I was a kid and laid on me for 4 minutes. I couldn't do sh*t. He was just too heavy and strong, couldn't even elevate my hips a little bit to create space. It sucked.

 

[CrazyN8]

Let me just put it this way. MM vs any untrained guy who is his size or a little bigger is a no brainier. He just whips him every time with ease. But, MM vs. and untrained guy who outweighs him by 60 lbs and have 10 inches of height on him and all the sudden, there is a real possibility he gets beaten. Not saying it's a guarantee, but it is a likely outcome, just like him having a leaping KO win are.

 

[mccallievols]

yes he was.

there is a reason the viewing numbers for the lighter weights are horrible

 

[Skydome]

Let me just put it this way. MM vs any untrained guy who is his size or a little bigger is a no brainier. He just whips him every time with ease. But, MM vs. and untrained guy who outweighs him by 60 lbs and have 10 inches of height on him and all the sudden, there is a real possibility he gets beaten. Not saying it's a guarantee, but it is a likely outcome, just like him having a leaping KO win are.

I still think you're delusional thinking any untrained male thats not a world class athlete( See Lebron James) has a chance of beating MM/Dodson or any flyweight for that matter. But it's your opinion.

MM is not getting taken down. He's not getting KOd. So how the hell does he lose? 60 pounds and some height does not make up for years of world class MMA training.

 

[Ughugh]

Sorry if it hurts someones tiny feelings but size matters. The only real edge a professional fighter has one someone who significantly outweighs him is cardio but until the bigger man slows down the smaller man is gonna get mauled by size alone.

 

[JMartel]

I got into MMA as a pro wrestling fan first. And there's no denying that when you're just starting to watch anything, a strong physique is what is going to grab your attention. Right or wrong, it's human nature. It's why in wrestling the Ultimate Warrior was a household name, while Rick Martel was not.

In MMA, there's a reason Dana used Brock at the forefront so quickly. His physique is a marketing tool on its own. Then, he started being a "heel" and added to it. And much like in wrestling, all the hype behind Brock went to the next guy who finally defeated him. Cain is now at the top, and a big factor for his supporters was how he was first to solve the Brock demolition.

So, with flyweights, it's going to be tougher for them to grab attention. Sure, at 125 pounds, they can be shredded, but they still look like "kids." Thankfully a night of fights like this past Saturday will slowly change things. The main ended in an impressive KO, and the co-main in a solid submission. Had they both gone to a decision, the story might be different. But with definitive endings, the value of the weight class and the fighters involved increases the impression they make on fans who have a harder time getting into the lighter divisions.

But, it won't happen overnight.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

The sad thing is most people do think that, which as anyone who has trains knows guys like Faber would fuck them up easily.

I'm about 5" 9 and 185 lb, MM would kill me.

yea i think mir was implying that people are idiots and ignorant, but just stating how idiots think

 

[Palooka]

I'd put money on Miesha Tate over most non-trained men in the world regardless of size. Mighty Mouse is a no brainer, he'd murk most untrained men and make it look easy.

 

[Kryptik]

Sorry if it hurts someones tiny feelings but size matters. The only real edge a professional fighter has one someone who significantly outweighs him is cardio but until the bigger man slows down the smaller man is gonna get mauled by size alone.

Because clearly better technique, reflexes, fighting intelligence, etc. counts for nothing against sheer size/weight differential?

 

[Italian Brock]

Mir is right.. Let me put it this way, what kid, teen, or young adult has ever said. ," man I wish I was 5'3 and weighed 125 lbs??" Lmao

 

[OldManGrip]

I still think you're delusional thinking any untrained male thats not a world class athlete( See Lebron James) has a chance of beating MM/Dodson or any flyweight for that matter. But it's your opinion.

MM is not getting taken down. He's not getting KOd. So how the hell does he lose? 60 pounds and some height does not make up for years of world class MMA training.

10 inches isn't going to matter either. Struve has 13 inches on hunt and nelson

 

[LODI DODI 69]

JOSE ALDO would wreck FRANK MIR. FACT !

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Why do people care to debate whether your ave ametuaer guy on the street can beat a smaller professional?

I think frank Mir was comparing professional hws to professional fly weights.

It's already been explained. He was talking about couch jockeys and went on to call those people delusional idiots.

 

[GSon]

The haters and defenders are both missing the real point here:

It doesn't matter how wrong those people are, if the perception exists it hurts the ratings.

 

[The Campos]

Damn straight Frank!

How many flyweights could perform this headbob

 

[OldManGrip]

The haters and defenders are both missing the real point here:

It doesn't matter how wrong those people are, if the perception exists it hurts the ratings.

Agreed, it is psychological also. When someone is looking down on another person by 6 inches or more and is also much bigger in weight they will think. (pfft I can take that guy) Obviously they would be wrong, but until they find that out the hard way they will continue to believe it

 

[hendosan]

Mir is right.. Let me put it this way, what kid, teen, or young adult has ever said. ," man I wish I was 5'3 and weighed 125 lbs??" Lmao

The 2 most popular boxers in the world are basically bantamweights fighting a weight class up and they make way more money than any fighter in the UFC.

So yeah your statement is pretty dumb.

The reason why nobody cares about flyweight - no stars. The UFC is trying real hard to make one in Mighty Mouse, and if he continues finishing dudes as the champ he might get there.

 

[GSon]

Agreed, it is psychological also. When someone is looking down on another person by 6 inches or more and is also much bigger in weight they will think. (pfft I can take that guy) Obviously they would be wrong, but until they find that out the hard way they will continue to believe it

Exactly. The Average Joe (doesn't even have to be 200+ pounds) sees someone like MM in real life, outside of the Octagon, and they would never "suspect" he was a fighter if he was wearing clothing. They would just see a fit small person (or little person, or whatever is the correct term for people of diminished size these days.)

The size difference between a 6'0 even male and a 5'3 male is significant. Though these people would be completely wrong, they would not be "impressed" by him physically. At the end of the day, regardless of how interesting the fights are, unless they can find a way to get around this stygma (outings like this past weekend can't hurt) then the Flyweights will always suffer from this bias.