War Room OT Discussion v5

[JonesBones]

That's a good way of looking at it and accurate I think.

Not that everyone on the business end of an exchange with you would have the integrity or the stones to admit it.

The problem is his subjective thought. He obeys a strict hierarchy of pedantic ideas. Like the idea that this kid is giving away financial advice is a fraud, while Jack's company does the same thing. Oh but that is different. I am sure he could rationalize anything with his purely subjective and static thought process. Fact is, he does what that guy does, but charges people for it. At first that stuff couldn't be predicted, now it can be predicted but only by people who are paid a lot. lol. There is no consistent logical thread at all. It is impossible to have an objective conversation with him. Like he works for a place that gives advice but then mocks such things. Then scrambles to, "well if he was that good, he would be making more money." It is garbage logic behind fixed beliefs.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The problem is his subjective thought. He obeys a strict hierarchy of pedantic ideas. Like the idea that this kid is giving away financial advice is a fraud, while Jack's company does the same thing. Oh but that is different. I am sure he could rationalize anything with his purely subjective and static thought process. Fact is, he does what that guy does, but charges people for it. At first that stuff couldn't be predicted, now it can be predicted but only by people who are paid a lot. lol. There is no consistent logical thread at all. It is impossible to have an objective conversation with him. Like he works for a place that gives advice but then mocks such things. Then scrambles to, "well if he was that good, he would be making more money." It is garbage logic behind fixed beliefs.

The problem is that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Like, I'm not trying to poke at you, but financial analysis is nothing like what that guy does. It's not predictions, for one thing. You're also not making an effort to understand the discussion.

And let me add that it's because I know how much goes into this stuff--how many really, really smart people put in serious work to get very small edges that are always on the verge of vanishing--that I know some kid selling easy answers is a fraud. Also, pretty much everyone in the industry is rich so that's pretty much irrelevant as a marker of credibility.

 

[JonesBones]

The problem is that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Like, I'm not trying to poke at you, but financial analysis is nothing like what that guy does. It's not predictions, for one thing. You're also not making an effort to understand the discussion.

No kidding. There are scales to things. It is for novices. Small time retail investors. It is kid stuff to you but some people are just kids in this subject.

I have made efforts to understand you and have asked your advice. Even admitted being wrong.

And what is it based on? You predict from the past. Every investment is a prediction. IF you put money into something that is an implicit belief that you believe it will do something in the future to your liking.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No kidding. There are scales to things. It is for novices. Small time retail investors. It is kid stuff to you but some people are just kids in this subject.

I have made efforts to understand you and have asked your advice.

And you accused me of supporting cops. That pissed me off. lol. I fuckin hate cops.

Bro, I'm not going to teach you everything you need to know about finance on Sherdog.

If you're a novice, you should just pay as little in fees as you possibly can and be as diversified as you can. There's no shortcuts here (though you can certainly get lucky if you take big chances). Again, it's like saying, "well, I've never trained before, but I want to win a UFC title. What can you tell me about fighting Robert Whittaker?" My only advice is "don't."

Also, the cop thing was in another thread. What I said was that you can say that you're all for holding cops accountable, but if you change the subject to "what about black crime?" whenever someone mentions bad police practices, you don't actually support holding cops accountable.

 

[JonesBones]

Bro, I'm not going to teach you everything you need to know about finance on Sherdog.

If you're a novice, you should just pay in fees as you possibly can and be as diversified as you can. There's no shortcuts here (though you can certainly get lucky if you take big chances). Again, it's like saying, "well, I've never trained before, but I want to win a UFC title. What can you tell me about fighting Robert Whittaker?" My only advice is "don't."

Also, the cop thing was in another thread. What I said was that you can say that you're all for holding cops accountable, but if you change the subject to "what about black crime?" whenever someone mentions bad police practices, you don't actually support holding cops accountable.

I don't think I can beat Whitaker at all. I don't think I can match the trading prowess of Goldman Sachs. No shit. I am not trying to be Warren Buffet. Again, my point of view is from that of a small retail investor. I know I am small and professionals don't trade like I do. lol. This kid hasnt found the secret to the temple, he just has some advice for people on my level.

 

[Final Rehab]

The problem is his subjective thought. He obeys a strict hierarchy of pedantic ideas. Like the idea that this kid is giving away financial advice is a fraud, while Jack's company does the same thing. Oh but that is different. I am sure he could rationalize anything with his purely subjective and static thought process. Fact is, he does what that guy does, but charges people for it. At first that stuff couldn't be predicted, now it can be predicted but only by people who are paid a lot. lol. There is no consistent logical thread at all. It is impossible to have an objective conversation with him. Like he works for a place that gives advice but then mocks such things. Then scrambles to, "well if he was that good, he would be making more money." It is garbage logic behind fixed beliefs.

Obviously Jack is perfectly capable of defending himself so I'll leave that alone but to me the crux of the debate is that there's a difference between coming across as "we're going to give you information to help you make a decision on investment and offer our advice based on experience" like his company does and doing the "holy shit guys I know a secret and it's going to blow your minds, you're gonna be rich" thing like those TV/internet guys do.

Honestly you seem to have taken it personally with Jack based on your responses and although as I acknowledged earlier you seem quite bright you come across as a bit gotten to.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Why would you hate cops?

We’re people like anyone else, most in my experience have their heart in the right place.

 

[JonesBones]

Obviously Jack is perfectly capable of defending himself so I'll leave that alone but to me the crux of the debate is that there's a difference between coming across as "we're going to give you information to help you make a decision on investment and offer our advice based on experience" like his company does and doing the "holy shit guys I know a secret and it's going to blow your minds, you're gonna be rich" thing like those TV/internet guys do.

Honestly you seem to have taken it personally with Jack based on your responses and although as I acknowledged earlier you seem quite bright you come across as a bit gotten to.

Well ya, it was condescending. lol. Like saying it was simple stuff. Which it is. And that kid is not doing that. He says research yourself.

 

[JonesBones]

Why would you hate cops?

We’re people like anyone else, most in my experience have their heart in the right place.

How long you got fella? They think they are a gang. They stick together. They abuse their authority. They allergic to criticism. They literally steal from the poor and give to the rich. Tax collectors. They have garbage attitudes. They act like it is boot camp and they are my drill instructor. They make other people nervous, because they are paranoid themselves. They live in fear and spread it. For example, they are taught that traffic stops are just about the most dangerous part of the job. So they walk up to every motorist as a potential person who could shoot them. Which only makes other people nervous. Black people and cops are so scared of each other. lol. They each fear the other is going to shoot them.

And they don't take responsibility for their actions. "Just doing my job". They have ceded their will. They are saying they are not responsible for their actions. They have morally absolved themselves from whatever they do under the orders of a master. I cannot respect that. You can't tell me what power is:

Power. What is power? Power is the sum total of wills transferred to one person. On what condition are the willso fo the masses transferred to one person? On condition that the person express the will of the whole people. That is, power is power. That is, power is a word the meaning of which we do not understand. ”

― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

How long you got fella? They think they are a gang. They stick together. They abuse their authority. They allergic to criticism. They literally steal from the poor and give to the rich. Tax collectors. They have garbage attitudes. They act like it is boot camp and they are my drill instructor. They make other people nervous, because they are paranoid themselves. They live in fear and spread it. For example, they are taught that traffic stops are just about the most dangerous part of the job. So they walk up to every motorist as a potential person who could shoot them. Which only makes other people nervous. Black people and cops are so scared of each other. lol. They each fear the other is going to shoot them.

And they don't take responsibility for their actions. "Just doing my job". They have ceded their will. They are saying they are not responsible for their actions. They have morally absolved themselves from whatever they do under the orders of a master. I cannot respect that.

That’s some serious generalization. I’m sorry if you had a bad experience, or your local department has a bad culture, but I know that doesn’t describe me or most of my coworkers.

 

[Final Rehab]

Well ya, it was condescending. lol. Like saying it was simple stuff. Which it is. And that kid is not doing that. He says research yourself.

All good man and I confess I didn't watch the particular video, it's just my impression of those TV/internet investor guru types.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

but I know that doesn’t describe me or most of my coworkers.

Does that mean your overlooking/discounting the ones it does?

 

[Gregolian]

Can't remember who I was talking to about this in here but I just got fucking 3 job interview requests in the last 2 days.

First job pays this monthly:
$3,412.00 - $4,538.00

Second job pays the $39k to $50k yearly

This last job.....
$46,446.40 - $58,968.00 yearly

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Can't remember who I was talking to about this in here but I just got fucking 3 job interview requests in the last 2 days.

First job pays this monthly:
$3,412.00 - $4,538.00

Second job pays the $39k to $50k yearly

This last job.....
$46,446.40 - $58,968.00 yearly

Good luck bro. May you be offered all three and get the luxury of choice.

 

[Gregolian]

Good luck bro. May you be offered all three and get the luxury of choice.

No doubt.

Biggest issue is I have to move to either Thurston County (Olympia) or King County (Seattle/Kent/Bellevue).

COL will kill me a bit I'm sure.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

No doubt.

Biggest issue is I have to move to either Thurston County (Olympia) or King County (Seattle/Kent/Bellevue).

COL will kill me a bit I'm sure.

Just focus on the shitty aspects of where you live now and imagine moving to be a step up.

 

[Gregolian]

Just focus on the shitty aspects of where you live now and imagine moving to be a step up.

King County apartments... anything that doesn't look like a dump or isn't a 45 minute commute at minimum is like... $1200 a month... without utilities.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

King County apartments... anything that doesn't look like a dump or isn't a 45 minute commute at minimum is like... $1200 a month... without utilities.

Instead of finding a job you need to be looking for a sugar-mama.

 

[Gregolian]

Instead of finding a job you need to be looking for a sugar-mama.

What I need is some daughter of a high priced defense attorney.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Does that mean your overlooking/discounting the ones it does?

Nah I’m not discounting them. I have some shitheads as coworkers as well, sure. But they’re not the majority. Out of any population of hundreds you’ll have some assholes.

Can't remember who I was talking to about this in here but I just got fucking 3 job interview requests in the last 2 days.

First job pays this monthly:
$3,412.00 - $4,538.00

Second job pays the $39k to $50k yearly

This last job.....
$46,446.40 - $58,968.00 yearly

Congrats man, good luck.