War Room Lounge v64

[MMAisGod]

Not even the best Beethoven song.

I like you LifeIsNotFair, so I will let this blasphemous statement get a one time pass. You called it a song, therefore, your opinion on this matter has been invalidated.

 

[My Spot]

I like you LifeIsNotFair, so I will let this blasphemous statement get a one time pass. You called it a song, therefore, your opinion on this matter has been invalidated.

Best for business.
Whatever shit song you named wasn't played on the piano in Resident Evil.

 

[Jack V Savage]

If you ask her why she supports Trump over a list of candidates (I myself have asked her this) she'll give you completely logical and thoughtful points as to why.

Can you summarize those points? That seems unfathomable to me. I think the worst candidates in the Democratic field (Gabbard or Williamson) would still be way, way better than Trump.

 

[MMAisGod]

Best for business.
Whatever shit song you named wasn't played on the piano in Resident Evil.

 

[Gregolian]

Russians again beating the Germans/Austrians

 

[kpt018]

@Trotsky @kpt018

To stay in context from our inbox chat, I'll post this here-

I'll go anecdotal.

One of my close friends and coworkers is a hardcore Trump supporter. I'm talking MAGA hat at the BBQ, 8 guns in the house with her husband who is an Air Force pilot, red blooded American types. If you look at her physically however, she's your everyday slim cutesy always smiling 30ish year old 9-5 corporate accounting employee type. However, she is wildly successful for her age, incredibly smart, a good human. If you ask her why she supports Trump over a list of candidates (I myself have asked her this) she'll give you completely logical and thoughtful points as to why. I don't agree with her position much in regards to Trump, but she is very educated on both policy and history, much more than I ever could be, so I enjoy my discussions/debates with her. On top of that, she's a humanitarian type, one of the few who do volunteering outside of company events, donating large amounts to causes, has two pets she took in that were battered, etc. To have a position of "I'd instantly stop talking to her" over her political position is like the mind blow of mindblowing to me.

Yea there are some radical idiots on TV yelling out MAGA America Firsttttt, but a lot of them, the somewhat educated and above at least, are nothing like the perception. It would be like saying all liberals are highly emotional purple haired college failures who can't get a date. None of that is close to reality for either side. They are the extremes.

Man, that's difficult to comprehend. I have some wiggle room for people who are genuinely ignorant but are good folks. I have a hard time buying the idea that anyone intelligent can mount a logical, coherent defense of Trump. All the intelligent hardcore right wingers I know hate Trump, believe he's doing damage to conservatism and think he'll lose in 2020 because he's so incompetent.

What are examples of a solid defense of Trump? I promise to keep an open mind but I'm confident it's stuff that doesn't really have anything to do with Trump since he's essentially clueless on policy.

 

[kpt018]

Can you summarize those points? That seems unfathomable to me. I think the worst candidates in the Democratic field (Gabbard or Williamson) would still be way, way better than Trump.

Beat me to it.

 

[My Spot]

Russians again beating the Germans/Austrians

Not so fast.

 

[Sketch]

Yeah, it wasn't enforced on you the other day when you were "fuck you"-ing all over the place and making racist posts about white people being race traitors. That's just how it is though, the staff here are garbage.

Staff here are simply following orders. They are doing a great Job.

I'm sure you'll be on the losing end of a call pretty soon. Like you'll post something that was milder than what you typically get away with, and all of a sudden you're staring at a ban screen that doesn't make sense to you.

Nope. @LogicalInsanity is good money. Been vouched for.

I assume his rant in the California bashing thread is what got him reported and banned. I can see an argument for it being out of bounds (and he already had dubs), but that's not a consistently applied rule. I think he does it artfully, and usually ties it to good points (not in that one, as he was backing rent control, which I think is a very poor solution) and adds a lot to the group but OK, if that's not allowed, it's not allowed. But then how are you still around? How is xbcvn still around? Or Farmer? Or Starman (the worst offender of that kind of thing, by far)?

Frankly, I think keepitrealist's continued false claims without corrections in that thread should be banworthy, and the salty language should lead to requests to tone it down.

Farmer and Starman are vouched for.

Been so swamped with so much work and life obligations/appearances I haven't been able to follow as much other than random spot checks. What's the best things I've missed the past week or so, in both real news and on the forum?

Sloppypie getting rocked to sleep.

 

[My Spot]

Staff here are simply following orders. They are doing a great Job.

lol @ him crying about mods again when they let him back after he tried to dox multiple posters. Looks like his post was deleted too.

 

[Gregolian]

There's parts of me that's glad I don't post here when I'm not at work but then I get all confused when shit happens on Saturday and Sunday.

 

[Sketch]

lol @ him crying about mods again when they let him back after he tried to dox multiple posters. Looks like his post was deleted too.

Yeah, he's checked out. Such a crybaby all the time. Cant just shut up and enjoy a good thing.

 

[Trotsky]

@Trotsky @kpt018

To stay in context from our inbox chat, I'll post this here-

I'll go anecdotal.

One of my close friends and coworkers is a hardcore Trump supporter. I'm talking MAGA hat at the BBQ, 8 guns in the house with her husband who is an Air Force pilot, red blooded American types. If you look at her physically however, she's your everyday slim cutesy always smiling 30ish year old 9-5 corporate accounting employee type. However, she is wildly successful for her age, incredibly smart, a good human. If you ask her why she supports Trump over a list of candidates (I myself have asked her this) she'll give you completely logical and thoughtful points as to why. I don't agree with her position much in regards to Trump, but she is very educated on both policy and history, much more than I ever could be, so I enjoy my discussions/debates with her. On top of that, she's a humanitarian type, one of the few who do volunteering outside of company events, donating large amounts to causes, has two pets she took in that were battered, etc. To have a position of "I'd instantly stop talking to her" over her political position is like the mind blow of mindblowing to me.

Yea there are some radical idiots on TV yelling out MAGA America Firsttttt, but a lot of them, the somewhat educated and above at least, are nothing like the perception. It would be like saying all liberals are highly emotional purple haired college failures who can't get a date. None of that is close to reality for either side. They are the extremes.

I would have to hear these "completely logical and thoughtful points" as to why she supports Trump. Something tells me I would have a much different appraisal of her reasoning and her knowledge of policy and history.

And the difference in your last part is that not all liberals are supporting objectively bad policy and engaging in objectively hypocritical defenses of their support. All of (vocal, active) Trump supporters are. Ignorance, bad faith, or extreme and grotesque selfishness are absolute prerequisites to Trump support. Full stop. They are not prerequisites to being a liberal.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

Damn, that's messed up. I got mine on Kindle (and it annoyingly doesn't have page numbers).

I don't know that one. Good?

I also learned a bit from Michelle Goldberg's "Kingdom Coming" and Allan Bloom's "The Closing of the American Mind" (though the left it criticizes and the right it advocates for are both a little dated--can't imagine that he'd be anything but horrified at Palin/Trump types). Couple people have recommended Bob Altemeyer's "the Authoritarians," and I have it but haven't read it yet. And you've probably seen this.

It's hard for me to judge at the moment. I'm surprised it hadn't crossed your radar - Robin was a contributor to Crooked Timber back then and when the book came out it started probably as much of an online shitstorm as a book about politics ever could.

If you judge it based on whether it captures how American conservatives would like to be portrayed, then it is probably not very good. If you judge it based on how well it traces a reactionary line through American conservatism - pulling such figures as Ayn Rand and Sarah Palin under a single umbrella - then I thought it was reasonably well-argued.

Comparing it to your statement earlier that conservatives are about tradition over reason, Robin gets a little more specific:

"Though it is often claimed that the left stands for equality while the right stands for freedom, this notion misstates the actual disagreement between right and left. Historically, the conservative has favored liberty for the higher orders and constraint for the lower orders. What the conservative sees and dislikes in equality, in other words, is not a threat to freedom but its extension. For in that extension, he sees a loss of his own freedom. "We are all agreed as to our own liberty," declared Samuel Johnson. "But we are not agreed as to the liberty of others: for in proportion as we take, others must lose. I believe we hardly wish that the mob should have liberty to govern us." Such was the threat Edmund Burke saw in the French Revolution: not merely an expropriation of violence but an inversion of the obligations of deference and command. "The levellers," he claimed, "only change and pervert that natural order of things."

"The occupation of a hair-dresser, or of a working tallow-chandler, cannot be a matter of honour to any person - to say nothing of a number of other more servile employments. Such descriptions of men ought not to suffer oppression from the state; but the state suffers oppression, if such as they, either individually or collectively, are permitted to rule."​

By virtue of membership in a polity, Burke allowed, men had a great many rights - to the fruits of their labour, their inheritance, education, and more. But the one right he refused to concede to all men was that "share of power, authority, and direction" they might think they ought to have "in the management of the state."

and

"Conservatism, then, is not a commitment to limited government and liberty - or a wariness of change, a belief in evolutionary reform, or a politics of virtue. These may be the byproducts of conservatism, one or more of its historically specific and ever-changing modes of expression. But they are not its animating purpose. Neither is conservatism a makeshift fusion of capitalists, Christians, and warriors, for that fusion is impelled by a more elemental force - the opposition to the liberation of men and women from the fetters of their superiors, particularly in the private sphere. Such a view might seem miles away from the libertarian defense of the free market, with its celebration of the atomistic and autonomous individual. But it is not. When the libertarian looks out upon society, he does not see isolated individuals; he sees private, often heirarchical groups, where a father governs his family and an owner his employees.

No simple defense of one's own place and privileges - the conservative, as I've said, may or may not be directly involved in or benefit from the practice of the rule he defends; many, as we'll see, are not - the conservative position stems from a genuine conviction that a world thus emancipated will be ugly, brutish, base, and dull. It will lack the excellence of a world where the better man commands the worse... This vision of the connection between excellence and rule is what brings together in post-war America that unlikely alliance of the libertarian, with his vision of the employer's untrammeled power in the workplace; the traditionalist, with his vision of the father's rule at home; and the statist, with his vision of a heroic leader pressing his hand upon the face of the earth.

The conservative creed: "To obey a real superior... is one of the most important of all virtues - a virtue absolutely essential to the attainment of anything great and lasting."

 

[Sketch]

Fuck, Marry, Kill:

Donald Trump
Ted Cruz
Mitch McConnell

GO

Fuck Mitch McConnell (Looks like a great power bottom)
Marry Donald Trump (He's rich and will be in-front of a TV all day so I won't have to be around him)
Kill Ted Cruz (Why not?)

 

[Sketch]

Unpopular opinion: The Cable guy has aged well.



"Heyyy you guys play here too?"

 

[Sketch]

Double post

 

[Ruprecht]

lol @ him crying about mods again when they let him back after he tried to dox multiple posters. Looks like his post was deleted too.

If you're talking about the posts Sketch quoted, they aren't deleted he just borked the quote tags.

 

[Trotsky]

Not so fast.

The screenshot of that video made it seem like it was Ric Flair vs. Golddust. That would be a lot of raw, homoerotic sexual energy for one match.

 

[Clippy]

Double post