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I know he's a pretty thick guy, but is it just me, or did DC look a little extra pudgy and soft last night?

DC always looks pretty pudgy at HW, so hard to say.
Could just be the Romero/Costa effect as well. They made the rest of the card look malnourished or out of shape.

Not sure. If he saw it as his last fight, it could’ve messed with how he came into the fight. He certainly was headhunting and aggressive. His speech after certainly makes it seem like his work with ESPN has made him okay with not competing. He will have a long career with that network imo.

Yeah, usually DC just seems more focused and tactical. He took some heavy shots to the head early though.
No doubt he should have a long career post competition, he's a charismatic guy.
 
DC always looks pretty pudgy at HW, so hard to say.
Could just be the Romero/Costa effect as well. They made the rest of the card look malnourished or out of shape.

Ah yes, I forgot he fluctuates between HW and LHW.

Either way, that big middle made for a nice target. Stipe went old school banging that drum. Not to often you see an MMA fighter strategically and methodically go to the body like that.
 
I'm surprised that some of ya thought Stipe had little to no chance. Guy isn't very exciting, and to be frank, I don't think he does anything really well, but he also doesn't have much in the way of glaring weakness and is pretty durable and not stupid.

I find MMA by nature is more prone to crazy shit happening. Stipe Cesar Chavez was pretty cool.
 
Ah yes, I forgot he fluctuates between HW and LHW.

Either way, that big middle made for a nice target. Stipe went old school banging that drum. Not to often you see an MMA fighter strategically and methodically go to the body like that.

Yeah, it was good to see Miocic changing it up on the fly like that and being rewarded with almost immediate success.
It's especially rare to see a switch to body attacks for the championship rounds.
DC looks like a different man at LHW.
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I'm surprised that some of ya thought Stipe had little to no chance.

A previous quick KO by his opponent will do that to people. And like you said, Stipe isn't a spectacularly impressive fighter from a visual standpoint. He has a robust journeyman aura about him, even though he's clearly elite as all hell. It's natural that people sleep on him.
 
I thought DC looked good physically. In their first fight, the excess weight was clearly bad weight and he looked fat. In this fight, I thought he looked healthily thick and powerful. And it showed in the clinch: whereas he was getting bullied in the first fight, he had a slight edge in this fight.

I'm wondering whether Stipe had the strategy of waiting until the later rounds when DC had lost some KO power to start throwing the left hook to the body.
 
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Were you drunk when you had that little hissy fit, or is there a point here?
Just an observation. And I'm concerned for your well-being. Did you take a shot to your crystal ball sack such that you can only imagine now instead of being certain of what everyone knows and doesn't know? It would be a shame to lose access to such an invaluable resource. I mean, what would you post about then?

And if that's a hissy fit, most of your posts are full on crying jags, so
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Have a nice day.
 
I'm wondering whether Stipe had the strategy of waiting until the later rounds when DC had lost some KO power to start throwing the left hook to the body.

Didn't sound like it from the corner.
 
Just an observation. And I'm concerned for your well-being. Did you take a shot to your crystal ball sack such that you can only imagine now instead of being certain of what everyone knows and doesn't know? And if that's a hissy fit, most of your posts are full on crying jags, so
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Wow, I gotta say, I've never had somebody so desperate in their butthurt, they attempted a "phrasing" gotcha on me before. Especially one as benign as that. What was the thought process here? You saw "I imagine" in my post, and thought, "Oh', I got you now!"

Damn, you sure showed me. LOL.
 
I'm surprised that some of ya thought Stipe had little to no chance. Guy isn't very exciting, and to be frank, I don't think he does anything really well, but he also doesn't have much in the way of glaring weakness and is pretty durable and not stupid.

I find MMA by nature is more prone to crazy shit happening. Stipe Cesar Chavez was pretty cool.

Stipe has terrible boxing defense. It's like his boxing coach never taught him how to slip punches. That, combined with the fact that DC hits hard and Stipe doesn't have a great chin, lead to me think there's no way he lasts 25 minutes without getting KO'd. Or, if DC wanted to play it safe, he could have outwrestled Stipe for 25.
 
I find MMA by nature is more prone to crazy shit happening.

This. I have also gotten used to the fact that main events end differently than I want them to essentially since after Shogun vs Machida II.
 
Any form of authoritarianism is a good example of leftism at work as it's antithetical to the American right. Period.

How does this theory explain the American right's embrace of Trump and McConnell or the individuals and regimes I referred to earlier (the Confederacy, South African apartheid, Franco, Pinochet, etc.)? Also, opposition to worker protections and to the safety-net appears authoritarian and would seem inconsistent with this theory.
 
Finally got around to watching the fight

That was crazy impressive how when Stipe started throwing that left hook to the body, each time you could see DC opening his mouth further to breath and his hands dropping and not having energy to hold them up except to throw telegraphed singles.

Each body shot added a half round of cardio drain to DC in an instant.

Glad to see Stipe back on top. Nothing against DC, just always been a Stipe fan with the working man angle with still doing some firefighter work.
 
It's relative, but the thinking is that tradition should be respected more than liberals respect it (liberals are more respecting of reason than tradition).

This is misleading. First off liberalism isn't the difference between the left and right in Americas paradigm the status Quo in America is one of liberal though hence the term "classical liberalism" this is again why the paradigm is also not to be quantified by equality or inequality but statism and anti-statism, because it's not the differentiating factor anymore. Remember they broke away from the status quo themselves making them the ones who valued reason over tradition. Here we are today where it is now it's own established status quo.

OK, but conservatism isn't the only right-wing ideology. The "conservative" movement in America isn't actually conservative (note the radical change under Reagan, for example).
True American conservatism aka classical liberalism is on the far right of the spectrum. The further right one goes the further state and it's affairs on the individuals lives dissolve. Beyond that would be complete anarchy in the truest sense of the meaning and not what leftists believe comes after a communist state. How the current majority of the right in America votes makes no difference in negating that fact. Just like it doesn't negate the history and existence of communism if registered Democrats don't happen to vote in a communist. That reasoning is completely irrelevant.

I can't imagine that you have any familiarity with my thinking of you're saying this. And statism or collectivism aren't relevant to the political spectrum. Conservatism is very collectivist, and it's a right-wing ideology, for example. As is fascism. And monarchy. There are collectivist left-wing ideologies, as well. And anarchism is the most extreme left-wing ideology.

This is exactly the point I'm making. If you have taken the time to read into the philosophical under pinnings of American rightism you would know that it's a completely base in individualism and is completely unlike the status quo which it broke away from which, as you are now verifying for everyone, was collectivist. Fascism, monarchy and the "rule of one" has nothing to do with individualist anti-statist beginnings. To assert otherwise means you have either neglected history or are absolutely confused as to the meaning of the constitution.

pointed out examples of the thinking of Locke and Smith--key aspects to their approaches--that would put them utterly at odds with American "conservatives" and in line with American liberals (which makes sense, as that's the same tradition). Locke's views on property would be considered progressive today, and Smith's views on inheritance (among many other things) would put him on the far left in America--beyond where modern progressives are willing to go, in fact. There's little remaining of liberal traditions in the conservative movement in America.

American rightism is an amalgamation, a mish mash of many different people's thoughts. I'm sure you could pick specific passages that some how made them seem unlike the founding fathers when they wrote the constitution but at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that those people are the foundation they stand on. We already understand that we have a fundamental disagreement on what a conservative even is since you still think they want to maintain institutions they broke away from. That needs to be cleared up (even though it won't) to continue.

Again. Left and right in America isn't seperated by liberalism. This is why equality and Inequality is an outdated mode of quantifying it.
Locke was also a liberal with minimal influence on today's conservatives, and Smith's economic framework is rejected by the right in America.

How the right votes today or what the Republicans do is irrelevant to lockes influence on the constitution. Again I'm talking about the ideology.

That's not what's consistently being discussed, otherwise we'd have to note that the American conservative movement is not actually conservative. We can discuss conservatism as an ideology or we can say that the movement is as it does. I'd also recommend putting aside any "sides" (the "as a leftist" thing is out of a place in a serious attempt to clarify views and understand reality--don't think as a propagandist; think as someone who just wants the truth). Note that you said, "No one in their right mind thinks the right in America have anything to do with maniacal, totalitarian, authoritarian, theocratic, collectivist regimes." Most of the right in America disagrees with that.

What we are discussing is the political paradigm. How you view the right wing American base is irrelevant as I've said numerous times. Your last sentence "most of the right in America disagrees with that" is you not taking your own recommendations, keep this to ideological talk. People vote for all sorts of nonsense and yet it doesn't negate history and the terms associated.
 
Stipe has terrible boxing defense. It's like his boxing coach never taught him how to slip punches. That, combined with the fact that DC hits hard and Stipe doesn't have a great chin, lead to me think there's no way he lasts 25 minutes without getting KO'd. Or, if DC wanted to play it safe, he could have outwrestled Stipe for 25.

Same. I figured DC hit him hard and often enough to put him down. Worst case scenario a damaged Stipe gasses and loses power in his hands and DC rides out a decision.

Looked about right after rd. 1. Then DC got complacent and was clipped enough times to scramble the eggs a little.
 
Great fights last night. Nate was very impressive, considering he came with 3 years of ring rust.

More confirmation that @WarDosAnjos is a troll, though. He said Pettis won the fight in the PBP thread.
 
How does this theory explain the American right's embrace of Trump and McConnell or the individuals and regimes I referred to earlier (the Confederacy, South African apartheid, Franco, Pinochet, etc.)? Also, opposition to worker protections and to the safety-net appears authoritarian and would seem inconsistent with this theory.
You are operating under the assumption that there was choice in that election. I assume you are alluding to the fact that he is like a "dictator" therefore reinforcing the "rule of one" or monarchist which is laughable. Decentralization is still a huge theme of his no matter how hard he comes off as a dick-tator. How ever I would say that he isn't a true American rightist in the ideological sense.

Remember, I already mentioned that he has a lot of right wingers criticizing him.
 
Yes, something absurdly negative.

And yeah, echo chamber - what a cheap remark for people that don't entertain stupid debates such as this one. You know, like I should be spending copious amount of time discussing with flat earthers why the earth isn't flat, so as to avoid the echo chamber.
What?
 
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