War Room Lounge v63

[Limbo Pete]

Confirmed: Limbo Pete believes in the notion of a "strong woman". A sad way to live!

Confirmed: Waiguoren berates his waifu pillow after humping it

 

[waiguoren]

Confirmed: Waiguoren berates his waifu pillow after humping it

What is a "waifu pillow"? You young ones these days have too many new phrases to keep up with.

 

[Limbo Pete]

What is a "waifu pillow"? You young ones these days have too many new phrases to keep up with.

You call her "wife", the rest of us call her "inanimate object"

 

[JDragon]

You call her "wife", the rest of us call her "inanimate object"

 

[Limbo Pete]

I made myself lol tbh

 

[tonni]

what happened to @JosephDredd

 

[spin]

what happened to @JosephDredd

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/no-more-butthole-ticking-for-you.3816081/

 

[Limbo Pete]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/no-more-butthole-ticking-for-you.3816081/

Son of a bitch

 

[spin]

Son of a bitch

That they banned clippys mom?

I know right

 

[Trotsky]

Aww, good for him

 

[tonni]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/no-more-butthole-ticking-for-you.3816081/

 

[spin]

thank you for the fast and helpful response to my question

Oh, you're welcome.

 

[waiguoren]

I made myself lol tbh

 

[Lead]

I'm no Maher fan, but Hitchens was being a prissy bitch in that clip and got hysterical when his bad arguments were called out.

Given his (correct) criticisms of Eastern European socialist reactionaries in the wake of the fall of the USSR, you'd think he'd have been more self-aware in preventing himself from committing the same errors of thinking in re Iraq, Iran, and the United States during the Bush years: taking a conclusion (that the United States, like the Yugoslav People's Army, is the good guy and that Iran/Iraq are the bad guys) and then working tirelessly to argue backwards from it regardless of the shifting circumstances.

The point is a bad argument can be seen from watching the panel go back and forth rather than a mindless crowd start booing when they hear things they don’t like.

 

[tonni]

Oh, you're welcome.

I'm sorry I was so upset. Thank you spin.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That is an incorrect assesment of my logic which should be appearent since i've already mentioned liberalism is not the dividing factor between the left and right in America. Which is also why you using it as a metric is largely misplaced in both time and location.

Where are you getting the idea that the left in America is not liberal, then? Or that the right in America is not right in a general sense?

Because they American right just like the left is not a monolith and according to the standards that have already been set in motion any bloating of government can be noted as a shift closer to the left. Once more the reason for European right wingers being leftist's in america is in the way they approach equality.

I'm not seeing how this fits in with your other thinking. Seems like you're now acknowledging that equality and protecting hierarchy is the basis for the spectrum. BTW, it's not accurate to say that European right-wingers are leftists in America--just that European rightists are more likely to support some left-wing policy. Also I'm not seeing the basis for thinking that "any bloating of gov't (is) a shift ... to the left."

American Conservatism is opposed to any form of authoritarianism as it split from the hierarchies which it was initially bound by. That has now become the status quo in which they wish to maintain and also the idea you are having a hard time grasping here.

What I'm having a hard time grasping is your justification for constantly switching between describing conservatism and the American right, which are different things.

It's literally the foundation in which is stands upon. Unfettered market economies are not a leftist ideal, individualism is not by any stretch of the imagination a leftist ideal, limited government in size and scope is not a leftist ideal nor was it to the right wingers in europe at the time.

Individualism isn't left or right--it's liberal. But the American left is far more liberal than the American right. "Unfettered market economies" are not possible in reality--it is fetters established by the gov't that enables a market economy in the first place. You wouldn't have a market economy with anarchism (in fact, by definition, it wouldn't be anarchism unless we assume an economy run by worker collectives or something).

Anti-Statism and individualism is what makes it right wing thought as it stands today.

What are you basing this on? I asked before where you're getting your understanding of American politics, and you didn't answer. I'm quite curious, as I think your source is misleading you.

These prescriptions are now the status quo and anything standing in opposition to it veers off to the left. I think you want very much to disassociate the term American Rightist with American Conservatism and i urge you to take the recommendation you once offered me and to stop thinking about this as a team or "side". When i say American Rightism i specifically refer to the status quo in America which indeed is classical liberalism which is indeed conservative which is indeed right.

I'm not thinking about it like that. You're making assertions about the left that don't have any basis in history or philosophy, and insisting that the American right is something very different from the American right that exists.

I am and am unsure as to why you think he is more significant than Locke who quite literally gave a blue print for the structure of American governance and the constitution attatched to it.

Locke is more influential in America generally, probably, but on the right specifically, Calhoun is far more influential.

Well like i said before, he was criticized for being more left than right any ways. Not like we are going to agree there.

Who is criticizing Trump for being more left than right? Certainly not anyone familiar with the history of political thought and Trump, and certainly not most people.

I disagree with the characterization here when you didn't even realize conservatism wasn't a static ideology. It's accurate to say not every poster can have a firm handle on the history of political thought when you misapply definitions that way.

I think you misread something.

 

[Jack V Savage]

For the record I have enjoyed the exchange - nice to see a debate in here that's well articulated and not tinged with dishonesty at every turn.

I tried to order that behemoth of a book you recommended about a year ago from a used retailer on the cheap. They sent me a slim volume of chapter notes LOL. Opted for Corey Robin's The Reactionary Mind instead.

Damn, that's messed up. I got mine on Kindle (and it annoyingly doesn't have page numbers).

I don't know that one. Good?

I also learned a bit from Michelle Goldberg's "Kingdom Coming" and Allan Bloom's "The Closing of the American Mind" (though the left it criticizes and the right it advocates for are both a little dated--can't imagine that he'd be anything but horrified at Palin/Trump types). Couple people have recommended Bob Altemeyer's "the Authoritarians," and I have it but haven't read it yet. And you've probably seen this.

 

[Trotsky]

 

[Limbo Pete]

 

[Lord Coke]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...PVmZxL_8ADpwIlXJ7l106VBBgNxtpDlbHxqr20HmSMTIU

Planned Parenthood plans to withdraw next week from Title X, the country’s family-planning program for low-income patients, over a Trump administration rule barring groups who provide abortions or abortion referrals from receiving Title X funds.

The organization on Wednesday asked the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to halt what abortion-rights advocates have dubbed the “domestic gag rule,” while it fights the rule in court. It said that it will otherwise be forced to leave the Title X program on August 19, the Department of Health and Human Services’ deadline for demonstrating “good-faith efforts to comply” with the rule.

The rule states that “none of the funds appropriated for Title X may be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning” and emphasizes that there must be “physical and financial separation” between abortion services and groups receiving funding.

The Ninth Circuit allowed the rule to go into effect in June after lower courts had temporarily halted its implementation it.

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Planned Parenthood has warned that low-income patients may be left without family-planning services and says it sees close to 41 percent of patients who receive such services under Title X.

“We refuse to let the Trump administration bully us into withholding abortion information from our patients. The gag rule is unethical and dangerous, and we will not subject our patients to it,” read a statement Wednesday from Alexis McGill Johnson, Planned Parenthood’s acting president. “Unless the Ninth Circuit intervenes, this gag rule will destroy the Title X program — putting birth control, breast and cervical cancer screenings, and STI testing and treatment at risk for millions of people struggling to make ends meet.”

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Meanwhile, pro-life groups have praised the rule and objected to the idea that it siphons money from family-planning services.

“The Protect Life Rule doesn’t cut a single dime from family planning. It instead directs tax dollars to Title X centers that do not promote or perform abortions” the Susan B. Anthony List said in a statement in May of last year. “President Trump has shown decisive leadership, delivering on a key promise to pro-life voters who worked so hard to elect him.