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This. I have also gotten used to the fact that main events end differently than I want them to essentially since after Shogun vs Machida II.
Contrarian. I thought practically everybody on the forum was rooting for Shogun in the second fight after the close decision in the first one. But then again that just might be due to personal bias. I would have to admit the number of people around here who thought Shogun was washed up at this point was disappointingly large.
 
God, I am so fucking sick of Bill Maher.

I really want to know what deluded, arrogant dime store liberals are seriously making up his core viewership
His fanbase is composed of right wingers who love to whine that they "used to vote Democrat until the left went full retard". Gen X'ers who graciously accept social justice struggles up to the late 90's, but then complain anything beyond is going too far. I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE AND WEED, WHAT MORE DO YA WANT FROM ME???
 
His fanbase is composed of right wingers who love to whine that they "used to vote Democrat until the left went full retard". Gen X'ers who graciously accept social justice struggles up to the late 90's, but then complain anything beyond is going too far. I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE AND WEED, WHAT MORE DO YA WANT FROM ME???

His inflexibility toward social justice generally isn't nearly as his sabotage of leftist causes and more ambitious/less cynical activism of the guise of reason.
 
His inflexibility toward social justice generally isn't nearly as his sabotage of leftist causes and more ambitious/less cynical activism of the guise of reason.
He has garbage judgment on most issues but liberals lap it up because it's packaged in anti-Trump rhetoric. It's sickening to be honest. I did excuse his show once because it was the only entertainment show that gave decent airtime to guests like Robert Reich, Matt Taibbi and Noam Chomsky but it's unbearable now.

I could excuse it if he was funny but he's actually even less funny than Dennis Miller.
 
God, I am so fucking sick of Bill Maher.

I really want to know what deluded, arrogant dime store liberals are seriously making up his core viewership

He's a staple, but yeah, as I said in the other thread that he's gonna be a man without an island pretty soon. Dude is annoying all sides. I mean, I guess you could argue that's the point, but he's really riding the line with a lot of the issues he's tackling, and is being very reckless with his viewership. At the end of the day, he's got to entertain and appeal to somebody. People on the right don't like him, people on the left don't like him, people in the middle don't care...

It's gonna come to a head eventually.
 
Agreed, that was an "uh oh" moment. He took a pretty huge right in the moments before that iirc.
Maybe but I didn't see it that way. He said that after the 2nd round which is one that he seemed to have won and yet his coaches were really grilling him for not sticking to the gameplan(in hindsight they couldn't have been more right). So it seemed to me that he thought he won the round but was questioning it based off his corner's reaction.
 
God, I am so fucking sick of Bill Maher.

I really want to know what deluded, arrogant dime store liberals are seriously making up his core viewership
Tbh I respect his show, I think its a good format. For a comedian he has some decent guests on and he's a decent host. Doesn't try to force the comedy and instead relies on his good comedic timing to get laughs unlike other political comedians who try and force shitty pop culture jokes all the time. So as far as political comedians go he stands out the most to me.

But like many comedians he thinks he's a lot smarter than he really is and its particularly pronounced with him because he tries to have a more high brow approach compared to other political comedians like John Oliver or Hasan Minhaj. So he can be insufferable at times.
 
Tbh I respect his show, I think its a good format. For a comedian he has some decent guests on and he's a decent host. Doesn't try to force the comedy and instead relies on his good comedic timing to get laughs unlike other political comedians who try and force shitty pop culture jokes all the time. So as far as political comedians go he stands out the most to me.

But like many comedians he thinks he's a lot smarter than he really is and its particularly pronounced with him because he tries to have a more high brow approach compared to other political comedians like John Oliver or Hasan Minhaj. So he can be insufferable at times.

The second paragraph could be the biggest critique about him and his show. It's usually an echo chamber/ pile on aside from the episodes where he want's to deviate from his base and call them out. The show would have more potential without an audience as a panel of different columnist and politicians discussing daily topics isn't a bad idea. But the audience absolutely kills the show at times. Some guests feed on just saying something catchy to get applause the whole time.
 
I goofed up. I mistook you for another poster who used to have Mod status.
Meant to tag @Limbo Pete. Cause his avatar gif seems like a nice endpoint for my post.

Dat Hunto grin

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He's a staple, but yeah, as I said in the other thread that he's gonna be a man without an island pretty soon. Dude is annoying all sides. I mean, I guess you could argue that's the point, but he's really riding the line with a lot of the issues he's tackling, and is being very reckless with his viewership. At the end of the day, he's got to entertain and appeal to somebody. People on the right don't like him, people on the left don't like him, people in the middle don't care...

It's gonna come to a head eventually.


He was absolutely right in his most recent segment regarding Tlaib and Israel.

If he's pissing off people like Trotsky and the other simpleton with the Omar avatar then you know he's in the right..
 
The second paragraph could be the biggest critique about him and his show. It's usually an echo chamber/ pile on aside from the episodes where he want's to deviate from his base and call them out. The show would have more potential without an audience as a panel of different columnist and politicians discussing daily topics isn't a bad idea. But the audience absolutely kills the show at times. Some guests feed on just saying something catchy to get applause the whole time.


You are absolutely right about the audience...

Sometimes I dont think they know why their applauding.
 
You are absolutely right about the audience...

Sometimes I dont think they know why their applauding.

I feel that way about most platforms. Like debates where some people choose to cheer after a reply (usually when their even told not to) is a really lame thing to do. Someone easily could troll that crowd into clapping to something backwards imo.
 
Man, there have been some profoundly bad posts in this thread lately.

I'm not sure if it should be troubling or hopeful that right-wingers are now creating historical fiction in order to grant some dignity or basic value to American conservatism in the hours of its most naked and barbarous incoherence.
 
The second paragraph could be the biggest critique about him and his show. It's usually an echo chamber/ pile on aside from the episodes where he want's to deviate from his base and call them out. The show would have more potential without an audience as a panel of different columnist and politicians discussing daily topics isn't a bad idea. But the audience absolutely kills the show at times. Some guests feed on just saying something catchy to get applause the whole time.

And often the audiences applauses derail a salient point someone is in the process of making,
.its aggravating at times...
 
This was cleared up before. We can't continue until you admit your line of reasoning is outdated. No one who calls for limited government is seeking to reinstate the monarchy. You have to come to terms with the fact that the status quo is simply different in America than it was in France.

My line of reasoning is correct, though. I think you're making a simple error. This seems to be your thinking:

1. The right favors preserving the status quo.
2. In America, the status quo is liberal.
3. The American right is therefore liberal.
4. The American left is therefore the opposite of liberal.

The first problem with this is that "favoring preserving the status quo" is a (simplistic) description of *conservatism*, which is a generally right-wing ideology (one of many) but not synonymous with the right. And that's a problem here specifically because "conservatism" by that definition is not common on the right in America. Another problem is that you can't define the spectrum that way, even if 1-3 were right. The left in America *also* has liberal origins (and also has illiberal influences), and it is much closer to those origins now.

As I've mentioned numerous times their character makes not a lick of difference. You think it does but it doesn't.

What's the reasoning behind your assertion that the thoughts and actions of the American right are irrelevant to a description of the thinking of the American right?

American rightism is opposed to any form of authoritarianism or any centralized government operating outside the scope of it's original intentions like protecting people from one another and the externalities on an international stage. The more bloated government gets and the more redistributive the economy the more left it gets.

American rightism is not opposed to most forms of authoritarianism, and is, in fact, very authoritarian itself. "Redistributive" in your usage is defined against a baseline that entails gov't force. If the gov't isn't determining the initial distribution (i.e., it doesn't recognize and enforce claims to property), there's no need to redistribute (that's anarchism--no gov't and no property, and it's an extreme left-wing system).

Locke literally gave structure to Americas presidential system and the Central tenants of classical liberalism which is undeniably right-wing thought today, can be seen nearly verbatim in the constitution.

In no sense is classical liberalism right-wing thought today. What makes it so in your opinion?

You saying Calhoun was more influential than Locke here is to enter another dimension of weirdness that I'm not willing to follow on.

I don't understand. Are you unfamiliar with Calhoun?

When I have more time I'll read it but I'm currently at work. But assuming the last part of your sentence is an accurate portrayal of the contents than it would reinforce the idea that conservatism is relative and not static as tradition always is the world over.

It's like 700 pages (the book). Probably the best intro to American conservatism (which, again, is different from American rightism) you'll find, though.

Meh. He's to the right of something that's for sure.

Yes. He's authoritarian to an unusual degree and the dominant voice on the American right.
 
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