War Room Lounge v53: Short Notice

[sickc0d3r]

Wrong. I disputed 7437's claim that increased "education spending" would be likely to prevent the group of 60 Philadelphia kids from raiding the Walgreens.

Wrong. You cited numbers and opined on the ineffectiveness of more spending, which is exactly what I said you said in my response.

Yes. We should do that. Don't you agree?

So not a strawman, don't you agree?

And no, I don't even agree with the premise, because shaming absentee fathers and parents who "don't love their kids" already happens.
And if we're talking about kids who you have assumed are in a single parent situation (which I do agree is less than optimal and a problem, but I seriously doubt we agree on the possible remedies, and you pulled that less than 30% or whatever out of your ass anyway), what good does more shame directed at their parents do for those kids? You think making them feel shittier about their situation will have a positive effect?

 

[Limbo Pete]

We started sharing watercoolers and it was all downhill from there.

All the black dads just took right off once they weren't corralled at the back of the bus

 

[HereticBD]

I need a new wallet

 

[MiniCraque]

All the black dads just took right off once they weren't corralled at the back of the bus

What's the over/under on Wai turning up the heat and going the way of Roy "the 13th Amendment was a mistake" Moore?

 

[Limbo Pete]

What's the over/under on Wai turning up the heat and going the way of Roy "the 13th Amendment was a mistake" Moore?

I definitely feel like his racism is creeping upward, but who knows how far it will go. He's at least half broken at this point, and the Senri gimmick rip off he's been flopping around with lately is evidence to that effect imo.

 

[HereticBD]

I definitely feel like his racism is creeping upward, but who knows how far it will go. He's at least half broken at this point, and the Senri gimmick rip off he's been flopping around with lately is evidence to that effect imo.

@senri can not be "ripped off". It's full assimilation. You can only become one with the succulent @senri.

 

[Limbo Pete]

@senri can not be "ripped off". It's full assimilation. You can only become one with the succulent @senri.

All shall oscillate in anticipation of the great joining
My dendrites








....quiver

 

[HereticBD]

All shall oscillate in anticipation of the great joining
My dendrites








....quiver

 

[Lead]

I definitely feel like his racism is creeping upward, but who knows how far it will go. He's at least half broken at this point, and the Senri gimmick rip off he's been flopping around with lately is evidence to that effect imo.

@senri can not be "ripped off". It's full assimilation. You can only become one with the succulent @senri.

All shall oscillate in anticipation of the great joining
My dendrites








....quiver

I actually think it's just a Jordan Peterson thing. The forgive your mother for hating your father thing sounds like something I've heard in his lectures before. I could be wrong but it sounds familiar.

 

[Sycho Sid]

I actually think it's just a Jordan Peterson thing. The forgive your mother for hating your father thing sounds like something I've heard in his lectures before. I could be wrong but it sounds familiar.

Doesn't explain all the thinly veiled racist stuff.

 

[Lead]

Doesn't explain all the thinly veiled racist stuff.

Those threads are recent though. A month ago, he was in here just telling Fawlty and Jack V the hate their father thing and different things that make a person a man. Seems very Peterson-type stuff.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I actually think it's just a Jordan Peterson thing. The forgive your mother for hating your father thing sounds like something I've heard in his lectures before. I could be wrong but it sounds familiar.

That would make sense lol

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[Higus]

Again, this was a response to someone who claimed that a good way to prevent these raids is to spend more on "education". One good thing about us humans is that we have the capacity for common sense. Do you think that doubling per pupil spending to $28,000 in Philadelphia would have had a good shot at preventing this incident? I don't. The point is that merely spending on "education" is not going to come anywhere close to solving the root problem, which is one of human motivation.

I’m tempted to guess what implications you are hinting at, but I doubt I’d get a straight answer. I’ll just say that
1) if the doubled spending was because the district was blessed with a large influx of wealth, to the point where a doubled budget was proportionally warranted, it would likely have a secondary effect solving a lot of other issues associated with petty theft, and
2) spending more on education may not prevent this specific issue, but that doesn’t mean that it won’t solve a lot of other issues over the course of a generation or two. Education is a long term investment.

 

[HereticBD]

Pretty lazy for The Onion TBH.

It works with everything.

"Nickleback inspires no talent hacks to become rock stars!"

"Amy Schumar inspires loud mouthed whores to become stand up comedians!"


Onion is usually better then that low brow tripe.

 

[waiguoren]

Can you honestly read some of the threads here about black people and think that shaming is what is needed?

? My point wasn't about race. It was about out-of-control kids in large groups.

lets assume your diagram is true in most cases, for sake of argument. Do you think its true in 100% of cases?

No.

in cases where you take large cohorts of kids who may live in the those inner cities across decades who may not come from broken homes, may have good parenting, positive morals and outlets but a lack of social programs and opportunities to help break the cycle do you maintain there would not be any correlation as I asked above?

Yes.

I read Freakonomics, which has a lot of problems. But even if Levitt is right (which he isn't), the effect isn't large enough to justify this comment:

"Violent crime rates quadrupled over the time from the start of the civil rights movement + "War on Poverty" (~1965) to the signing of the 1994 crime bill. Yeah, mass incarceration reduces violent crime. It doesn't solve the root problem and causes other problems."

I didn't say it was "enough to justify that comment". You noted that "crime" has been declining for 30 years. I agree, but I'm pointing out that increased incarceration is a significant part of that which doesn't fix the root of the problem (and can make it worse).

You cited numbers and opined on the ineffectiveness of more spending, which is exactly what I said you said in my response.

Again, you misunderstood. I referenced the ineffectiveness of more "education" spending in preventing incidents like the 60-kid mob raid of the Walgreens. I did not argue that this spending is completely useless or that we shouldn't increase "education" spending for other reasons.

And no, I don't even agree with the premise, because shaming absentee fathers and parents who "don't love their kids" already happens.

Not like in the good old days. These days the MSM glorifies single mothers. That stuff is mostly toxic and it worsens the problem.

And if we're talking about kids who you have assumed are in a single parent situation (which I do agree is less than optimal and a problem, but I seriously doubt we agree on the possible remedies, and you pulled that less than 30% or whatever out of your ass anyway),

Good to have agreement, Mr. SickCoder. What would you estimate the correct percentage to be?

what good does more shame directed at their parents do for those kids? You think making them feel shittier about their situation will have a positive effect?

The shame should mostly be directed at the males who are failing to be men, not at the mothers. Of course, there are some hoebag mothers out there as well (@Limbo Pete) who should be shamed, but most women want to settle down with the father of their kids so let's focus on the failure of males to be men. We must get through to them that abandoning their kids by failing to cohabit with the mother and set a consistent positive example is a moral abomination on ethical par with smashing a kid's head with cinderblock.

1) if the doubled spending was because the district was blessed with a large influx of wealth, to the point where a doubled budget was proportionally warranted, it would likely have a secondary effect solving a lot of other issues associated with petty theft, and
2) spending more on education may not prevent this specific issue, but that doesn’t mean that it won’t solve a lot of other issues over the course of a generation or two. Education is a long term investment.

This is another debate entirely. I disagree with you and hope to have that conversation with you on another day, good sir.

 

[Trotsky]

Umm, check your NJ numbers, bro.

Lol that's supposed to just be 18,000.

 

[MikeMcMann]

? My point wasn't about race. It was about out-of-control kids in large groups.


No.

Yes.
...

Well then you out yourself as a naive and/or ignorant person believing there is zero correlation between growing in poverty and with a lack of social resources and eventual outcomes within that entire cohort across generations. There is not even debate on that. You are out in flat earther outlier realm with that belief.

 

[BarryDillon]

Hey that was supposed to be private.

 

[Limbo Pete]

? My point wasn't about race. It was about out-of-control kids in large groups.


No.

Yes.



I didn't say it was "enough to justify that comment". You noted that "crime" has been declining for 30 years. I agree, but I'm pointing out that increased incarceration is a significant part of that which doesn't fix the root of the problem (and can make it worse).


Again, you misunderstood. I referenced the ineffectiveness of more "education" spending in preventing incidents like the 60-kid mob raid of the Walgreens. I did not argue that this spending is completely useless or that we shouldn't increase "education" spending for other reasons.


Not like in the good old days. These days the MSM glorifies single mothers. That stuff is mostly toxic and it worsens the problem.



Good to have agreement, Mr. SickCoder. What would you estimate the correct percentage to be?


The shame should mostly be directed at the males who are failing to be men, not at the mothers. Of course, there are some hoebag mothers out there as well (@Limbo Pete) who should be shamed, but most women want to settle down with the father of their kids so let's focus on the failure of males to be men. We must get through to them that abandoning their kids by failing to cohabit with the mother and set a consistent positive example is a moral abomination on ethical par with smashing a kid's head with cinderblock.



This is another debate entirely. I disagree with you and hope to have that conversation with you on another day, good sir.

To the stocks with thee, shameful wench!