War Room Lounge v52: Oh, We Beefin' Now

[Higus]

I think there's a difference between doing the grass-fed free range meats/poultry products vs the factory farm stuff.

There's a huge monetary difference at the check out stand that makes the grass-fed free range stuff harder but it also forces your hand to get more creative with what goes with it.

Morality should be considered in a spectrum rather than pure black and white.
Eating factory farm meat < Eating free range meat <<< Eating a salad

Likewise:
calling someone a nazi > punching a nazi >>> being a nazi
"Southern border detention center" > "concentration camp" >>> *what actually happens there*

 

[Fawlty]

I followed him over from WWE, so there's a special place in my heart for him. Somewhere in the cockle region.

So, the chest? That actually works.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I'm not an Askren fan but I doubt he thought he was being malicious with his shit talking. Like Chael he's not a very exciting fighter so he relies on shit talking, turning heel to generate interest. In his mind this is a necessary part of the sport to hype fights and get himself and his opponent bigger paychecks.

Apparently Masvidal disagrees lol

Ben also knows that he reaped what he sowed and I doubt he's upset with Masvidal's actions after the fight

 

[Jack V Savage]

lol that fucking perv Epstein finally got nailed.
the mystery flights Clinton famously went on with him in his private jet almost
certainly included underage girls. that's why Slick Willie dismissed his SS for the flight.
"I did not have sex with those women.........they were girls."
smh, they're all such pieces of shit, on both sides of the aisle.

Impeach both Trump and Clinton, and throw them both in prison if they were involved. I think we can be sure that few Trump supporters would agree.

 

[MiniCraque]

have any of us considered going vegetarian or vegan?

I know I mentioned this in the other thread, but more and more I'm finding it morally difficult to justify eating meat.

Believe me, if I could be born again or completely rewire my brain I would certainly go vegetarian (the distinction between vegetarianism and veganism boils down to the ethics aspect and I don't care about that nearly as much as I care about the enviromental aspect). Meat production (even free range) is absurdly inefficient and wasteful. It's a joke.

But I can't. I just can't. I have no appreciation whatsoever towards vegetables (I still eat them out of necessity but 9 times out of 10 I loathe it) and meals without some sort of meat (can even be processed) are just boring. I might hate myself for it, but I'll keep eating meat regardless.

 

[Prokofievian]

Well, Pinker is concerned with defending the Enlightenment so "therefore the Enlightenment is good and we shouldn't back off from it," maybe? Not unreasonable.

For most of our history, we--a group of tropical apes that physically weak and slow, and individually about as smart as other apes--survived in a huge variety of environments as a result of cultural adaptations that none of us really understood. Then some of us kind of elevated what had been a hobby of a very few intelligent and privileged people (philosophy) into something that they could use to take over the world and then guide future governance and that could be institutionalized, and the result (liberalism) was a massive improvement in living standards that continues to this day, though at a slowing rate. There are many people who want governance and power guided by traditions (including religion), and it's worth pointing out that they are dead fucking wrong.

Sure, and I would agree with that, but that's not the only people to whom Pinker is speaking. And thus the observation invokes something of a false dichotomy. Either you want feudalism, or the jack boot of the stalinist purges, or Liberalism is beyond reproach. Because things improved. For one, Pinker invokes this in a global sense. Global poverty has improved drastically, says Pinker. Okay, but so much of that improvement was due to the PRC that I'm not sure whether he means it as a defence or obfuscation of the oppression in the PRC or a suggestion that we should engage in PRC style oppression. Yeah yeah, enlightenment, great, we got it. Moving on.

But this is to add to the point that your article makes: indeed, perhaps we don't have a very good measure for how ''good'' we have things to begin with.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Pigs are too intelligent to eat, bud. Stick to beef and chicken.

They even make beef bacon now, and it's amazing.

Cows are smart AF too.

 

[MiniCraque]

Well see, it all goes back to the caveman days. One member of the clan would bully and strut and take things that were not his, and unfortunately for the others, he was hard to best. The quiet tough guy knew that it wasn't the time to fight, but one day it would be. And when that day came, and he laid him to waste in a heartbeat, and in a show for his clan, he dragged the motherfucker around the cave, bouncing his head off of the trash pile a few times. And there was much rejoicing, at least until some proto-communist felt sorry for the bully and some pedantic wise-ass chimed in against both of them.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Believe me, if I could be born again or completely rewire my brain I would certainly go vegetarian (the distinction between vegetarianism and veganism boils down to the ethics aspect and I don't care about that nearly as much as I care about the enviromental aspect). Meat production (even free range) is absurdly inefficient and wasteful. It's a joke.

But I can't. I just can't. I have no appreciation whatsoever towards vegetables (I still eat them out of necessity but 9 times out of 10 I loathe it) and meals without some sort of meat (can even be processed) are just boring. I might hate myself for it, but I'll keep eating meat regardless.

I feel ya dude...

sometimes I feel like a meat junkie.

I say to myself, "okay...this week is the week I go vegetarian...." (4 hours later, when I get hungry I sink my teeth into more flesh.)

 

[Fawlty]

But this is to add to the point that your article makes: indeed, perhaps we don't have a very good measure for how ''good'' we have things to begin with.

Isn't this why Pinker leads in his talks with the drastic decline in violent deaths, by which even the blood-soaked 20th century is just a speedbump? That's a very strong objective measure, better living through not having your brains bashed in.

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

@BarryDillon






vids like this get me...they obviously care/love for their young and reflect a certain level of intelligence/empathy.

 

[sickc0d3r]

They even make beef bacon now, and it's amazing.

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I must try this.

 

[BarryDillon]

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I must try this.

They have this at Whole Foods:

It's fucking amazing. Way higher protein than pork bacon.

 

[Fawlty]

This actually destroys me tbh. MMA got me to go full Jordan Peterson. Does he feel about life in general the way I feel when I gear up for MMA? That would be very unfortunate.

 

[luckyshot]

See what happens if you keep touching yourself like that?

 

[Prokofievian]

Isn't this why Pinker leads in his talks with the drastic decline in violent deaths, by which even the blood-soaked 20th century is just a speedbump? That's a very strong objective measure, better living through not having your brains bashed in.

I was very, very careful to not say ''better.''

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I followed him over from WWE, so there's a special place in my heart for him. Somewhere in the cockle region.

I followed him from the University of Minnesota. He was on the first cover of USA Wrestling magazine I got

 

[Jack V Savage]

Sure, and I would agree with that, but that's not the only people to whom Pinker is speaking. And thus the observation invokes something of a false dichotomy. Either you want feudalism, or the jack boot of the stalinist purges, or Liberalism is beyond reproach. Because things improved. For one, Pinker invokes this in a global sense. Global poverty has improved drastically, says Pinker. Okay, but so much of that improvement was due to the PRC that I'm not sure whether he means it as a defence or obfuscation of the oppression in the PRC or a suggestion that we should engage in PRC style oppression. Yeah yeah, enlightenment, great, we got it. Moving on.

But this is to add to the point that your article makes: indeed, perhaps we don't have a very good measure for how ''good'' we have things to begin with.

https://ourworldindata.org/the-global-decline-of-extreme-poverty-was-it-only-china

But OK. I had low expectations going into Enlightenment Now because I read a lot of negative criticism, but I found it to be pretty compelling. I don't think it's just liberalism or feudalism/Stalinism. Other forms of illiberalism are still alive and well in the developed world and still need to be argued against and defeated at the ballot box.

To your second point, if you're talking about kind of subjective well-being, it's not as easy to measure, but I think there are a lot of reasons to think that it's improving (Pinker does discuss that, too, BTW).

 

[MiniCraque]

This actually destroys me tbh. MMA got me to go full Jordan Peterson. Does he feel about life in general the way I feel when I gear up for MMA? That would be very unfortunate.

When you start talking about cavemen instincts and storytelling archetypes to describe human cockfighting, I'm afraid you have gone a little bit Peterson.

Next you're gonna start telling me how the warm embrace of the referee after a KO signifies The Mother while the loud asshole tauting your unconscious body personifies chaos and evil.