War Room Lounge v52: Oh, We Beefin' Now

[Fawlty]

Man, I was never a Ben Askren fan, other than thinking he seems like a decent dude, but I hope he gets a rematch with Masvidal and absolutely smashes him.

Whoa, really? Is that just because of Masvidal returning the trash talk emphatically, or did something else happen? Because from where I sit it was up there with Anderson putting a knee through Chael's soul.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Lol at the condescending attempts to belittle others by "objectively" rating their intelligence. The lounge is such a circle jerk sometimes.

 

[MiniCraque]

When did Masvidal start acting like such a douchecanoe?

I hope if he fights Khabib next he gets the Michael Johnson treatment where Khabib is like holding his arm behind his back hammer fisting him in the face telling him to give up.

He's always been a more hood version of the Diaz brothers. Didn't he fight someone backstage recently?

 

[Gregolian]

He's always been a more hood version of the Diaz brothers. Didn't he fight someone backstage recently?

He did so maybe I just didn't notice it as much in the past.

The KO was great but him standing over Askren mocking him and shit really bothers me. I hope the next guy he fights puts his lights out or just embarrasses him.

 

[Gregolian]

I've repeated this as well, but that exchange with @Fawlty a while back about the definition of emergency/crisis really provided a powerful reminder of what a low bar that is and that he would absolutely be one of the least intelligent if not the least intelligent left-wing poster here were he on the other side. In terms of the rigidly partisan right-wingers (which excludes guys like Alan, TGA, InternetHero, HockeyBJJ, HunterSVDA, etc.), Inga is the only one that I would say is intelligent in any objective sense.

Hmm. I think Inga and Heretic are about on the same level, with probably a few others. Also, there are many less-intelligent left-wing posters (FT, ST, PEB, Viva, ferrisjo, some less-regular ones).

There's a part of me that is happy I don't get brought up in these lists... and there's another part of me sad that I am not notable enough to be brought up in said lists....

Conflicting emotions... fuck.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

@Gregolian is one of the best, if not VERY best poster on this forum.

 

[MiniCraque]

@Gregolian is one of the best, if not VERY best poster on this forum.

Terrible taste for meat though. That knocks him down a couple of notches.

 

[Higus]

There's a part of me that is happy I don't get brought up in these lists... and there's another part of me sad that I am not notable enough to be brought up in said lists....

Conflicting emotions... fuck.

Honestly, I don't think of conservative posters in terms of smart and dumb (although there are some extremely dumb ones). I prefer to make the distinction between honest good faith conservatives and the rest. You are well liked by the liberals in the forum because you engage honestly and avoid bad faith, fallacious rhetoric. That is sadly very rare around here.

 

[Gregolian]

Terrible taste for meat though. That knocks him down a couple of notches.

I got 5 fucking meals out of that brisket for 4 people so... HA!

Honestly, I don't think of conservative posters in terms of smart and dumb (although there are some extremely dumb ones). I prefer to make the distinction between honest good faith conservatives and the rest. You are well liked by the liberals in the forum because you engage honestly and avoid bad faith, fallacious rhetoric. That is sadly very rare around here.

*EagleScreech

 

[Trotsky]

Whoa, really? Is that just because of Masvidal returning the trash talk emphatically, or did something else happen? Because from where I sit it was up there with Anderson putting a knee through Chael's soul.

Maybe I didn't pay attention to Askren's pre-fight trash talk, but I didn't see anything out of line. Taunting an unconscious opponent and then gloating and talking shit about him afterwards is gross.

He's always been a more hood version of the Diaz brothers. Didn't he fight someone backstage recently?

Yeah, he sucker punched Edwards.

Personally, I'm a huge Nick Diaz fan. He and Nate are more "hood" in my opinion, but they aren't as douchey.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Terrible taste for meat though. That knocks him down a couple of notches.

have any of us considered going vegetarian or vegan?

I know I mentioned this in the other thread, but more and more I'm finding it morally difficult to justify eating meat.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@IngaVovchanchyn and @HereticBD are not only a couple of the best conservative posters on this forum, but best posters period.

Meh. "Best" is subjective. If you like someone who will shamelessly lie to defend the shifting GOP party line, Inga's great. If you like someone who hurls juvenile insults at people for not being a right-winger, Heretic is good. I value different things, myself.

 

[Higus]

have any of us considered going vegetarian or vegan?

I know I mentioned this in the other thread, but more and more I'm finding it morally difficult to justify eating meat.

I haven't been able to go full vegetarian, but I have cut back on meat and eat more vegetables over the last year.
I think it's immoral to eat meat when you have other options, but I also think that just because something is immoral does not mean it isn't permissible. I call it the "so what" rationalization: there isn't a reason why you must always do the most moral thing. Recognizing that you aren't perfect, but working to improve yourself is good enough most of the time, and to avoid being hypocritical about what you preach to others.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

have any of us considered going vegetarian or vegan?

I know I mentioned this in the other thread, but more and more I'm finding it morally difficult to justify eating meat.

I think lab grown meat will alleviate a lot of the moral objections to meat consumption rather soon.

 

[Prokofievian]

Good post here that kind of challenges my thinking:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/12/24/how-bad-are-things/

This part near the end:



Could refer to me. Not sure if there's any real policy implications (obviously a lot of what is referred to can be addressed, but only so much can be done, and progress is encouraging).

It's worth wondering ''what if it were true that things really were better than they were before?'' I wonder what argument that observation is even responding to. Steven Pinker likes to make it a lot. Weren't people in Stalinist USSR a lot better off than they were in the late 19th century? ''Things improved therefore...'' what? is my question.

 

[Fawlty]

Maybe I didn't pay attention to Askren's pre-fight trash talk, but I didn't see anything out of line. Taunting an unconscious opponent and then gloating and talking shit about him afterwards is gross.

I mean just between the utterly disgraceful Lawler episode and shit like this:




What can I say? He earned it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I could be mistaken, but isn't "we're doing pretty good right now" used almost exclusively against the narrative that says we had it better in the XXs (usually the 50s but I've seen other versions)? I guess there is an inherent danger of becoming too entrenched in your argument (I feel good about A, opposing side feels great about B, therefore I must feel great about A to fight back), but have you seen that actually happen? To the point that you or others neglect what to do going forward?

I think it comes up in response to calls for "change" without content really specified. That's something that annoyed me in the debates both in 2016 and 2020. I think my most measures things are as good as they've been, and I probably forget that that doesn't mean that everyone's life is great or that no one has legitimate gripes.

That said, I think that there's a group of voters (left and right, but mostly right) who are so disillusioned that they're always going to support any "non-status quo" political program, and they should be marginalized because they are toxic to the system.

 

[Gregolian]

I haven't been able to go full vegetarian, but I have cut back on meat and eat more vegetables over the last year.
I think it's immoral to eat meat when you have other options, but I also think that just because something is immoral does not mean it isn't permissible. I call it the "so what" rationalization: there isn't a reason why you must always do the most moral thing. Recognizing that you aren't perfect, but working to improve yourself is good enough most of the time, and to avoid being hypocritical about what you preach to others.

I think there's a difference between doing the grass-fed free range meats/poultry products vs the factory farm stuff.

There's a huge monetary difference at the check out stand that makes the grass-fed free range stuff harder but it also forces your hand to get more creative with what goes with it.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I'm not really a fan of Masvidal, but Ben was Askren for it.

 

[Trotsky]

I mean just between the utterly disgraceful Lawler episode and shit like this:




What can I say? He earned it.

I don't see anything wrong with that. And I don't hold the Lawler stoppage against him, as horrible as it may have been. The dude still weathered an insane offensive and believed himself to have come back from it.