War Room Lounge V43: STEM is Overrated

[PolishHeadlock2]

How big and old of a house. Central is more efficient but ductless tend to last longer

Most the houses we're looking at were built between 1900 and 1940 and 1,300 to 1,800 square feet (not sure how that translates into Canadian)

 

[Limbo Pete]

Okay fair enough I stretched the definition of "self taught" but I stand by what I said. I think a person can definitely teach themselves enough history through their own study to match the knowledge of a person with a Bachelor's in history. Any Uni student can just go to the history section of their library and if they start with a general survey on a topic and then use the bibliography and further readings section to direct their research from there.

Like I pointed out, Tom Holland has published more than one book of popular history and he has no history degree.

Reading history =/= practicing history. This seems to be a massive, massive misconception about what we actually do.
The ability to critically analyze and form interpretive synthesis in history- which are not just empty buzzwords- comes from instruction, work, feedback, and refinement.
And btw, plenty of non-historians write popular history books. Problems with their methodology and analysis aside, it's actually imo a serious problem for us. The reason why, say, a journalist (for example) can sell "history" books is because they know how to write in a way that connects with lay audiences. We have a major problem with academics writing only to each other in a closed loop. A big part of the reason I went into public history is to engage with people in ways and on subjects that are relevant to them.

 

[BarryDillon]

Most the houses we're looking at were built between 1900 and 1940 and 1,300 to 1,800 square feet (not sure how that translates into Canadian)

Don't forget to put in indoor plumbing.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Most the houses we're looking at were built between 1900 and 1940 and 1,300 to 1,800 square feet (not sure how that translates into Canadian)

We do square ft here as well - I would go with central if you can get a newish system included in the buy.

 

[BarryDillon]

Reading history =/= practicing history. This seems to be a massive, massive misconception about what we actually do.
The ability to critically analyze and form interpretive synthesis in history- which are not just empty buzzwords- comes from instruction, work, feedback, and refinement.
And btw, plenty of non-historians write popular history books. Problems with their methodology and analysis aside, it's actually imo a serious problem for us. The reason why, say, a journalist (for example) can sell "history" books is because they know how to write in a way that connects with lay audiences. We have a major problem with academics writing only to each other in a closed loop. A big part of the reason I went into public history is to engage with people in ways and on subjects that are relevant to them.

 

[Limbo Pete]

We're looking at rowhomes in Philly so between 1,300 and 1,800 square feet.

We like a house that has no ducts and radiator heat. So installing central air would be more costly and the ducts might be unsightly or eat into closet space.

Ductless heat pumps are wonderful... until it gets too cold outside. They are idea for climates that don't get too cold. Not sure exactly what's going on in Philly, or precisely how much better technology has gotten in the 6 or so years since I gave up energy management contracting, but my instinct is to tell you not to go ductless. Could be wrong though.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I wanted to get a masters in History, but after struggling with History 3, I realized it probably wasn't the right field for me.

 

[Limbo Pete]

....I knew this was coming....

 

[BarryDillon]

....I knew this was coming....

Sorry, it's been going on all day. I couldn't help myself.

 

[Deleted member 484047]

Central air is still way better. Those are the modular home to window units' double wide.

Those smaller wall units are great imo. Can make different rooms different temps based on need and preference. Dont need to heat/cool a room? Dont waste the power on it.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I wanted to get a masters in History, but after struggling with History 3, I realized it probably wasn't the right field for me.

The elective that through ne for a loop was a 300 level Art-History class on Asia.

I saw history and Asia and figured it would be and easy topic I'd enjoy. Plus it was on Tuesdays and Thursdays where I tried to pack all my classes to get the 4 day weekend

Had to write a thesis on what buddha statues in different areas. I never felt so lost.

And that was the only elective I picked on want because I used up all my other electives of engineering prerequisites my freshman year before switching majors lol

 

[Limbo Pete]

The elective that through ne for a loop was a 300 level Art-History class on Asia.

I saw history and Asia and figured it would be and easy topic I'd enjoy. Plus it was on Tuesdays and Thursdays where I tried to pack all my classes to get the 4 day weekend

Had to write a thesis on what buddha statues in different areas. I never felt so lost.

And that was the only elective I picked on want because I used up all my other electives of engineering prerequisites my freshman year before switching majors lol

Oh sweet baby jesus noooooooo lol
That sounds absolutely wretched

 

[Islam Imamate]

I listen to Hardcore History every once and a while and Dan Carlin always makes it a point to stress that despite his BA in history he is not a historian.

History is one of those subjects where grad school is on a different level.

Some majors somewhat top out at the bachelor's level (accounting imo and engineering).

Econ and History really step it up at the Grad school level.

Math and hard sciences do as well but they were already rigorous in undergrad

I did say in the last thread that beyond the undergrad level what I am saying might not apply. The same is probably true of computer science which I also said can be self taught. Its one thing to teach yourself to code and another to conduct research in the field.

Reading history =/= practicing history. This seems to be a massive, massive misconception about what we actually do.
The ability to critically analyze and form interpretive synthesis in history- which are not just empty buzzwords- comes from instruction, work, feedback, and refinement.
And btw, plenty of non-historians write popular history books. Problems with their methodology and analysis aside, it's actually imo a serious problem for us. The reason why, say, a journalist (for example) can sell "history" books is because they know how to write in a way that connects with lay audiences. We have a major problem with academics writing only to each other in a closed loop. A big part of the reason I went into public history is to engage with people in ways and on subjects that are relevant to them.

But how much of that is something that a person only working towards their Bachelor's in history goes through?

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Don't forget to put in indoor plumbing.

We've had indoor plumbing hear longer than your state was a state lol

Every couple on months there is a new story about some kind of excavation or construction project that has to be delayed because they stumbled upon wooden plumbing/sewage pipes from 200 years ago that need to be checked out history preservation laws.

https://www.philly.com/philly/news/...ooden-water-mains-Spruce-Street-May-2017.html

 

[Sketch]

I have to ask you guys, do you guys have this in your cities and states;

In Toronto we have buildings and storefronts that don't have names, filled with elderly Italians, Greeks and Portuguese men.

The buildings and 'stores' will have no merchandise or product to sell. They have round tables where these gentleman play cards.

 

[Sketch]

You can see into their spaces, and if you look in, they will stop and stare and you. There is no women, and nobody but old men. The places are always packed, 24/7.

 

[Sketch]

@Fawlty you guys have this?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I have to ask you guys, do you guys have this in your cities and states;

In Toronto we have buildings and storefronts that don't have names, filled with elderly Italians, Greeks and Portuguese men.

The buildings and 'stores' will have no merchandise or product to sell. They have round tables where these gentleman play cards.

Walking around dundas st today?

 

[Sketch]

Walking around dundas st today?

A lot.

But that's the Chinese on Dundas. Unless you mean near Dufferin with the Portuguese. I'm mainly talking St clair west.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I have to ask you guys, do you guys have this in your cities and states;

In Toronto we have buildings and storefronts that don't have names, filled with elderly Italians, Greeks and Portuguese men.

The buildings and 'stores' will have no merchandise or product to sell. They have round tables where these gentleman play cards.

We call them bathhouses

Never been to one but my 61 year old bachelor uncle swears by them even though he discourages me from checking it out