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War Room Lounge V43: STEM is Overrated

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conomists often argue that trade wars cannot be won. Yet they will be among the few beneficiaries from America’s barrage of tariffs. For decades, rich countries’ sound trade policies denied academics cases of tit-for-tat protectionism to study. But new American taxes on many goods from China and metals from everywhere have produced the data set of their dreams.

America’s government seems unfazed by the damage its tariffs do to the economy. One study by scholars at the Federal Reserve and Princeton and Columbia Universities found that the new levies have raised costs for consumers by $1.4bn per month.

However, Donald Trump is devoted to his voters. And his trading rivals have retaliated where it hurts. A paper by Joseph Parilla and Max Bouchet of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, estimated that 61% of jobs affected by retaliatory tariffs are in counties that voted for Mr Trump.

Is this a coincidence? If a country’s imports from America already come from mostly Republican areas, those regions will bear the brunt of a trade war. However, a new paper by Thiemo Fetzer and Carlo Schwarz of the University of Warwick finds that America’s rivals probably did consider politics when crafting their policies.

To test if recent tariffs were politically motivated, the authors needed to compare them with alternatives that were not. They devised this benchmark by creating at random 1,000 hypothetical bundles of targeted goods for each trading partner, all worth the same as the actual trade facing tariffs.

The authors then compared real-world policies with these alternatives. First, they assessed the political impact of each plan, by measuring how closely its targeted areas matched Republican gains when Mr Trump was elected. Next, they estimated how much each policy would harm a retaliating bloc’s own economy, by counting the share of its imports of the chosen goods that come from America. The more a country relies on one supplier, the more switching to a less efficient source is likely to hurt.

The study found that the eu prioritised minimising such damage. Its tariffs deftly protected domestic consumers, causing less disruption than 99% of alternatives. The bloc targeted Trump voters as well—its tariffs matched the election of 2016 more closely than in 87% of simulations—but not at the cost of upsetting its own citizens.

In contrast, China focused on punishing Trump voters. Its tariffs tracked the election better than 99% of alternatives. They also disrupted China’s own economy more than in 99% of simulations. Even among plans including soyabeans—one of China’s main imports, grown mostly in Republican areas—China’s policy was just slightly more politically targeted than similar options, but far worse for its economy.

China’s choice of tariffs seems designed to deter escalation at any cost. Only regimes with no voters to satisfy can run that risk. The lesson is clear: if you start a trade war, fight a democracy, not an autocracy.

This article appeared in the Graphic detail section of the print edition under the headline "You get what you give"
I told the War Room about this right after the tariffs were announced. Trump instituted tariffs that sound good. Other countries, who have leadership that is no where near as incompetent or in a rush to impress their voters, took the time to choose targeted tariffs that would do max damage with minimal harm.

July, 2018:
I can't feel sorry for you if you think these tariffs are a good idea, but the empathetic part of me really wants to. On the US side, you have someone who is just pandering and has no real idea what he is doing. Other countries have representatives who are experienced and know exactly how to retaliate. You're going to get proper fucked. Already, Trump has weakened your positions with multiple countries.

Aside from the direct effect of these ill-conceived sanctions against allies, pray tell, what is the benefit of forcing your closest trading partner, Canada, to open markets with other countries and lessen its dependence upon US trade?

The question is, will Trump/the Republicans successfully fool their base into thinking this is somehow the fault of the Democrat majority in Congress in the leadup to the general election? If they can't, one assumes Trump's reelection chances are greatly reduced, but I don't have any illusions about his base's gullibility.

Here in my province, the economy is the best it's been in my lifetime and they still voted the incumbent party out of office. In a country where there is strong support for economic protection, provincial governments appear to be getting voted in on the basis they will overturn federal measures (i.e. the carbon tax.) I think there are a lot of regrettable decisions being made all over NA when it comes to the reasons people are voting the way they are voting. Just MHO.
 
I really don't think Israel is buying our support with money.

Our top ally is obviously Canada followed by UK, Australia and than Israel.

I think people tend to overlook Canada because many really do look at it as purely an extension of the US, like a suburb of a major city.

Israel is different than those 3 in that it is in hostile/ unstable region so they get all of the attention. They need our support so it is noticed and magnified.

What do Canada, the UK and Australia need our support for?
I don't think I said it was support they were buying, because I don't think that's what the money is for. I think what it's paying for is for the US government to look the other way in the face of Israel's human rights abuses.

A post about what support Canada, the UK, and Australia, need from the US would be outside my wheelhouse and it's not relevant anyway. My comment was about Pence's gross dis of countries that have been allies since before Israel existed.

Machine learning, everyone. It's beautiful.


I did not get 100% on this:

http://fakejoerogan.com/

:eek:

Holy shit.

I was very pleasantly surprised at how many I got wrong. This is why i'm on the robots' side. Even the shitty ones are giving humans a run for our money.
I only got 2 wrong, and on those, I was very close to going the other way. Very interesting. To me, there's a somewhat noticeable change in cadence and vocal tone, but I have sort of an affinity for that kind of thing. If your voice is even slightly distinctive, I will be able to pick that out of a group better than I remember your face or name.

But it's really close, and that bodes ill for the acting industry, I think. If you can create photo-realistic actors in CGI, and if you can recreate their voices with machine learning (presuming future refinements in that technology that make it indistinguishable from real conversation) what's to stop you from ditching people altogether and creating all entertainment with computers?
 
The video or the song? I usually post songs in here I’m listening to but never watched the video version of it.
Both. It had a feel you don't get from a lot of stuff these days. You sort of feel like you're in a juke joint or an urban cul-de-sac in the 40's but with a gospel note and a bit of Hey Joe and other modern influences thrown in. That description may be totally fucked but it's what comes to mind after the fact. I never heard of this woman but I get the feeling everyone in that video has been performing music for my whole lifetime.
 
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Very interesting thread on the history abortion politics in the US.



@Limbo Pete

I think this nicely captures my position on the abortion debate,
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This is an issue where men should just shut the fuck up, imo.
 
@Lead

If you're going to continue deleting posts then do something about it. This is my official complaint. There's been a dozen different instances (and you've seen the scroll) of what could be considered 'thread derails' over several consecutive months and at least three baseless accusations of :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia.

All of it completely unprovoked no less, I'm cordial to everyone on this forum and specifically don't want to be engaged in this kind of drama. I've never initiated a single discussion with the dude and it's not like he has the brain matter to add anything of remote value to the subjects I typically discuss on here.
I'm sorry to prod but I'm quite curious to know which user you're referring to. PM?
 
I think this nicely captures my position on the abortion debate,
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This is an issue where men should just shut the fuck up, imo.

lol. Women are not seen as people. You are pathetic. You shut the fuck up.
 
lol. Women are not seen as people. You are pathetic. You shut the fuck up.
LOL coming from you that's a compliment. Hit a nerve did I?
Tell me, why do you suppose the US is one of the only Western countries with a (pseudo)democratically chosen government that has never had a female head of state?
Why is it still not even in the top 20 in gender equality? And although you're aware and just trolling, I'll also mention anyway that the quote is quite old and yes, things have improved for women over that time, but I thought it was clear I was referring mainly to the first paragraph; the basic point is still valid and your post is garbage.
 
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I just choked on my coffee but then I realized I had misread, the actual post was

If you're disappointed, I could probably find you a post I've made about Mitch McConnell or Joe Stalin that would satisfy your blood lust.
 
LOL coming from you that's a compliment. Hit a nerve did I?
Tell me, why do you suppose the US is one of the only Western countries with a (pseudo)democratically chosen government that has never had a female head of state?
Why is it still not even in the top 20 in gender equality? And although you're aware and just trolling, I'll also mention anyway that the quote is quite old and yes, things have improved for women over that time, but the basic point is still valid and your post is garbage.

Go into the inner city and tell all the poor black males that white women are treated as sub-human. Your point is totally invalid and you are garbage.
 
American politicians are much more vulnerable than Xi.

A downturn in the economy can easily result in the other party taking power whereas in China there is no other party and crackdowns happen.

That's why a ham-fisted, unilateral trade war with China was never the best approach in combatting their shady business practices.

Krugman had a good piece on the issue recently:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/opinion/killing-the-pax-americana.html

I think that's spot on. The economic impact is negative but just not that large, but there are more-serious concerns.
 
Go into the inner city and tell all the poor black males that white women are treated as sub-human. Your point is totally invalid and you are garbage.
Typical shit-post. You're as predictable as you are useless.
 
Go into the inner city and tell all the poor black males that white women are treated as sub-human. Your point is totally invalid and you are garbage.
lol. Women are not seen as people. You are pathetic. You shut the fuck up.

Let's find some healthy appreciation for women as human beings, yeah?

lol at grabbing a tit at a playboy party. i have grabbed many tits and asses at parties and clubs. no biggie. I don't get why whores get mad when you treat them like whores.
One of the greatest processes of or universe is the aging of women. To see them wither away in age and lose all power.
Yes, white women are objectified and dehumanized systematically and constantly. That's why you can't see a single story about a woman without getting a plethora of dumb shits talking about how they want to fuck them, how they are ugly, or how their opinions either stem from being ugly, are worth less than that of a prettier woman, or stem from wanting attention. Frankly, I think the open hostility toward women is more binding on the right wing here than just about anything else. Maybe second to hate Muslims.

Here's one that stuck out to me as particularly pathetic and incel-ian. It was in response to a story entitled "ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: MARIJUANA PROHIBITION HIT BLACK AND LATINO PEOPLE HARDEST SO THEY SHOULD PROFIT FROM LEGALIZATION FIRST"
This Is the guy she lets cum inside her

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What are the odds that "tax my ass" has been used in the bedroom
As you can see, not exactly an on-point contribution.
 
Krugman had a good piece on the issue recently:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/opinion/killing-the-pax-americana.html

I think that's spot on. The economic impact is negative but just not that large, but there are more-serious concerns.

Great piece.

On top of this we now have allies and potential allies fighting to fill China's needs. Brazil and Australia are trying to fill their agricultural import needs so when the trade war eventually ends US farmers are going to find they have been replaced for good.
 
Maybe I should just focus on getting some work done today......

<{ByeHomer}>
 
Let's find some healthy appreciation for women as human beings, yeah?



Yes, white women are objectified and dehumanized systematically and constantly. That's why you can't see a single story about a woman without getting a plethora of dumb shits talking about how they want to fuck them, how they are ugly, or how their opinions either stem from being ugly, are worth less than that of a prettier woman, or stem from wanting attention. Frankly, I think the open hostility toward women is more binding on the right wing here than just about anything else. Maybe second to hate Muslims.

Here's one that stuck out to me as particularly pathetic and incel-ian. It was in response to a story entitled "ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: MARIJUANA PROHIBITION HIT BLACK AND LATINO PEOPLE HARDEST SO THEY SHOULD PROFIT FROM LEGALIZATION FIRST"
As you can see, not exactly an on-point contribution.

appreciate the effort but it will not be read
 
Krugman had a good piece on the issue recently:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/opinion/killing-the-pax-americana.html

I think that's spot on. The economic impact is negative but just not that large, but there are more-serious concerns.
That piece read/sounded like it was written by you. Not that it's a bad thing, but I thought it was interesting how it appeared to match your rhetorical style. It seems like an accurate description of the situation, except that for a non-economist like myself, it's hard to accept that the tariffs are less damaging than it appears.
 
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