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War Room Lounge V43: STEM is Overrated

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That's by far my least favorite Scorsese movie too. Exploitative bro sleaze passed off as political and cultural commentary.



I rewatched Gangs a couple years ago and was astonished at how bad it was given its relative acclaim.

What's wrong with Gatsby as a book? It's overrated in the fact that its symbolism is way too telegraphed, but it's still good. The movie sucked, but Toby McGuire was decent, the shots were pretty, and the soundtrack had some damn good tunes.

I absolutely despise that book lol
It's a bit of a thing
 
I absolutely despise that book lol
It's a bit of a thing

Well, let's hear it Mr. Grumpy Pants.

Is it that your'e not sympathetic to the melodrama of a successful white man during a period of historic but racially exclusive prosperity, hmmmmmm?
 
And Wolf of Wall Street seemed like it would be dumb as fuck.
To be fair, it's Scorsese so it's still good and worth the time, as long as expectations are not "Goodfellas" or "Casino." I don't know what I'd compare it to. Maybe the sequel to Independence Day? You're in for some groaner crap but objectively it's still pretty good.
 
they're talking about the bundle of sticks version.

who is this POS who's fucking w/ @NoDak?

Forget him, although you might've been right in that Bernie thread a few days ago. Here's DJT's former Deputy Assistant:

"Civil society doesn’t exist, friendship doesn’t exist, family doesn’t exist — only permanent revolution. Have you seen what I’ve posted on my twitter feed, with regards to family? Arthur is a children’s cartoon.

My children used to watch Arthur 15 years ago, about a rodent-like creature that lived and had fun in his cartoon world. The new season of Arthur will have one of Arthur’s teachers at school, a male teacher, married to a fellow male rodent.

Did you have any questions about there being a culture war, ladies and gentlemen? Did you have any doubt in your mind? This is a war for our culture."
 
In 2037, James Cameron will release a press statement saying that Avatar 2 should be in post-production by 2073.
 
Well, let's hear it Mr. Grumpy Pants.

Is it that your'e not sympathetic to the melodrama of a successful white man during a period of historic but racially exclusive prosperity, hmmmmmm?
It's because I never liked the book to begin with and then ended up having to read it multiple times over the course of my education, from middle and highschool through undergraduate.
Pain of death couldn't bring me to read that god forsaken thing ever, ever again.
 
I disagree, I think superheroes can be hard to play and its because they are often multiple characters in one. You have the civilian side and the alter-ego and actors tend to be better at one or the other. Christian Bale was horrible as Batman but actually decent as Bruce Wayne and Keaton was the opposite.

I remember people making fun of Bale's Batman since at least TDK, it was just overshadowed by Ledger's performance.

I think Batman 89 and Keaton's performance both age very badly. Keaton is better as Batman than as Wayne, and Bale is better as Wayne than as Batman....but even Wayne's Batman is still better than Keaton's Batman imo.

I go:
1. Ledger as Joker
2. Bale as Wayne
3. Nicholson as Joker
4. Eckhart as Two-Face
5. Hathaway as Catwoman
6. Hardy as Bane
7. Kilmer as Wayne
8. Bale as Batman
9. Neeson as Ra's
10. Dude who played Scarecrow
11. Keaton as Batman
12. Keaton as Wayne
13. Jones as Two-Face

Literally all the rest of the main characters in the all the movies are terrible: everyone in B&R, Kilmer's Batman, Pheiffer's Catwoman, DeVito's Penguin, Ivy and Freeze. All putrid.
 
Forget him, although you might've been right in that Bernie thread a few days ago. Here's DJT's former Deputy Assistant:

"Civil society doesn’t exist, friendship doesn’t exist, family doesn’t exist — only permanent revolution. Have you seen what I’ve posted on my twitter feed, with regards to family? Arthur is a children’s cartoon.

My children used to watch Arthur 15 years ago, about a rodent-like creature that lived and had fun in his cartoon world. The new season of Arthur will have one of Arthur’s teachers at school, a male teacher, married to a fellow male rodent.

Did you have any questions about there being a culture war, ladies and gentlemen? Did you have any doubt in your mind? This is a war for our culture."
First of all, aardvarks are not rodents, or even what I would characterize as rodent-like. I find the suggestion highly offensive. The fool that wrote that is way off base.
Second, there's an episode where Art Garfunkel guest stars as a random singing moose. It's amazing.
Edit: Oh shit it's on youtube!
 
I think Batman 89 and Keaton's performance both age very badly. Keaton is better as Batman than as Wayne, and Bale is better as Wayne than as Batman....but even Wayne's Batman is still better than Keaton's Batman imo.

I go:
1. Ledger as Joker
2. Bale as Wayne
3. Nicholson as Joker
4. Eckhart as Two-Face
5. Hathaway as Catwoman
6. Hardy as Bane
7. Kilmer as Wayne
8. Bale as Batman
9. Neeson as Ra's
10. Dude who played Scarecrow
11. Keaton as Batman
12. Keaton as Wayne
13. Jones as Two-Face

Literally all the rest of the main characters in the all the movies are terrible: everyone in B&R, Kilmer's Batman, Pheiffer's Catwoman, DeVito's Penguin, Ivy and Freeze. All putrid.
I agree that the 89 Batman has aged terribly, same with Batman Returns. I did like the chemistry between Pfeiffer and Keaton even though weirdly enough on their own they were not that great.

I expected to like Nicholson as Joker far more than I did, in the end I was not that impressed with him. Also, perhaps the most underrated performance of all these movies is Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordan.
 
conomists often argue that trade wars cannot be won. Yet they will be among the few beneficiaries from America’s barrage of tariffs. For decades, rich countries’ sound trade policies denied academics cases of tit-for-tat protectionism to study. But new American taxes on many goods from China and metals from everywhere have produced the data set of their dreams.

America’s government seems unfazed by the damage its tariffs do to the economy. One study by scholars at the Federal Reserve and Princeton and Columbia Universities found that the new levies have raised costs for consumers by $1.4bn per month.

However, Donald Trump is devoted to his voters. And his trading rivals have retaliated where it hurts. A paper by Joseph Parilla and Max Bouchet of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, estimated that 61% of jobs affected by retaliatory tariffs are in counties that voted for Mr Trump.

Is this a coincidence? If a country’s imports from America already come from mostly Republican areas, those regions will bear the brunt of a trade war. However, a new paper by Thiemo Fetzer and Carlo Schwarz of the University of Warwick finds that America’s rivals probably did consider politics when crafting their policies.

To test if recent tariffs were politically motivated, the authors needed to compare them with alternatives that were not. They devised this benchmark by creating at random 1,000 hypothetical bundles of targeted goods for each trading partner, all worth the same as the actual trade facing tariffs.

The authors then compared real-world policies with these alternatives. First, they assessed the political impact of each plan, by measuring how closely its targeted areas matched Republican gains when Mr Trump was elected. Next, they estimated how much each policy would harm a retaliating bloc’s own economy, by counting the share of its imports of the chosen goods that come from America. The more a country relies on one supplier, the more switching to a less efficient source is likely to hurt.

The study found that the eu prioritised minimising such damage. Its tariffs deftly protected domestic consumers, causing less disruption than 99% of alternatives. The bloc targeted Trump voters as well—its tariffs matched the election of 2016 more closely than in 87% of simulations—but not at the cost of upsetting its own citizens.

In contrast, China focused on punishing Trump voters. Its tariffs tracked the election better than 99% of alternatives. They also disrupted China’s own economy more than in 99% of simulations. Even among plans including soyabeans—one of China’s main imports, grown mostly in Republican areas—China’s policy was just slightly more politically targeted than similar options, but far worse for its economy.

China’s choice of tariffs seems designed to deter escalation at any cost. Only regimes with no voters to satisfy can run that risk. The lesson is clear: if you start a trade war, fight a democracy, not an autocracy.

This article appeared in the Graphic detail section of the print edition under the headline "You get what you give"
 
I agree that the 89 Batman has aged terribly, same with Batman Returns. I did like the chemistry between Pfeiffer and Keaton even though weirdly enough on their own they were not that great.

I expected to like Nicholson as Joker far more than I did, in the end I was not that impressed with him. Also, perhaps the most underrated performance of all these movies is Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordan.

Yeah, I fully agree about Oldman. I also hated Joseph Gordon Levitt as Robin, etc. I think that dude is another actor who really sucks in everything he's been in.

With Nicholson, I don't like the Joker character, but I think he did a good job with it because he's a phenomenal actor. But I really, really don't like Tim Burton.
 
conomists often argue that trade wars cannot be won. Yet they will be among the few beneficiaries from America’s barrage of tariffs. For decades, rich countries’ sound trade policies denied academics cases of tit-for-tat protectionism to study. But new American taxes on many goods from China and metals from everywhere have produced the data set of their dreams.

America’s government seems unfazed by the damage its tariffs do to the economy. One study by scholars at the Federal Reserve and Princeton and Columbia Universities found that the new levies have raised costs for consumers by $1.4bn per month.

However, Donald Trump is devoted to his voters. And his trading rivals have retaliated where it hurts. A paper by Joseph Parilla and Max Bouchet of the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, estimated that 61% of jobs affected by retaliatory tariffs are in counties that voted for Mr Trump.

Is this a coincidence? If a country’s imports from America already come from mostly Republican areas, those regions will bear the brunt of a trade war. However, a new paper by Thiemo Fetzer and Carlo Schwarz of the University of Warwick finds that America’s rivals probably did consider politics when crafting their policies.

To test if recent tariffs were politically motivated, the authors needed to compare them with alternatives that were not. They devised this benchmark by creating at random 1,000 hypothetical bundles of targeted goods for each trading partner, all worth the same as the actual trade facing tariffs.

The authors then compared real-world policies with these alternatives. First, they assessed the political impact of each plan, by measuring how closely its targeted areas matched Republican gains when Mr Trump was elected. Next, they estimated how much each policy would harm a retaliating bloc’s own economy, by counting the share of its imports of the chosen goods that come from America. The more a country relies on one supplier, the more switching to a less efficient source is likely to hurt.

The study found that the eu prioritised minimising such damage. Its tariffs deftly protected domestic consumers, causing less disruption than 99% of alternatives. The bloc targeted Trump voters as well—its tariffs matched the election of 2016 more closely than in 87% of simulations—but not at the cost of upsetting its own citizens.

In contrast, China focused on punishing Trump voters. Its tariffs tracked the election better than 99% of alternatives. They also disrupted China’s own economy more than in 99% of simulations. Even among plans including soyabeans—one of China’s main imports, grown mostly in Republican areas—China’s policy was just slightly more politically targeted than similar options, but far worse for its economy.

China’s choice of tariffs seems designed to deter escalation at any cost. Only regimes with no voters to satisfy can run that risk. The lesson is clear: if you start a trade war, fight a democracy, not an autocracy.

This article appeared in the Graphic detail section of the print edition under the headline "You get what you give"

Someone else here had a post a while back about this issue of Trump's trade war being against China and how American politics run on a sort of short-term quarterly profits sort of cycle, while China has been playing the long game for decades and sacrificing short-term payouts toward long-term hegemony.
 
Joseph Gordon Levitt as Robin.
That was such a missed opportunity. He obviously should have become the Joker. He wasn't even Dick fucking Grayson for fuck's sake. #strongfeelings
 
Someone else here had a post a while back about this issue of Trump's trade war being against China and how American politics run on a sort of short-term quarterly profits sort of cycle, while China has been playing the long game for decades and sacrificing short-term payouts toward long-term hegemony.

American politicians are much more vulnerable than Xi.

A downturn in the economy can easily result in the other party taking power whereas in China there is no other party and crackdowns happen.

That's why a ham-fisted, unilateral trade war with China was never the best approach in combatting their shady business practices.
 
@Fawlty how do I submit NYT articles to archive.org so I can link them here and people can read for free?

I ended up getting a subscription and I'd like to spread the wealth.
 
@Fawlty how do I submit NYT articles to archive.org so I can link them here and people can read for free?

I ended up getting a subscription and I'd like to spread the wealth.
Not sure.

But I'm also not sure it's necessary, since the web archive's crawlers seem to be picking up NYT articles pretty quickly. When I poked around, I looked at the newer articles on NYT and tried them on the Archive. One from 25 minutes ago was not archived, one from an hour ago was archived, but had something funky where the page with the news story reloaded after a few seconds to an almost blank screen (unless you hit "stop" on your browser). Anything older than hour was in good shape. All of those were caught by the Archive's crawler.

I don't know how the NYT feels about the Archive but they don't appear to be doing much to stop them, and they will definitely not be blocking crawlers unless Google decides to completely change how the Internet works again.
 
I've only seen two of those, and neither was any good. Gangs of New York was particularly painful. That one was bad all around though; no amount of good acting would have saved such an abomination.
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That movie was off the charts good, for so many reasons. Crack is whack, guys. Don't do it.
 
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