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War Room Lounge V43: STEM is Overrated

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Speaking of sport team names that are a bit unique, the Minnesota Twins somehow have the best record in the MLB.

Does anyone who actually follow baseball think it will last? Not sure fire top spot, but that it'll lead to a playoff berth aside from the wildcard play in game?

Last year was a big disappointment and they fired their general manager. Didn't expect them to come out with the hottest start in the league with a roster of mostly no names still.
 
I objectively disagree and I believe your opinion is very subjective, objectively.

There's nothing to agree or disagree with. It's a fact that he regularly misrepresents positions he argues with, and I gave a good example in this thread. Also a fact that he cannot produce any examples of me doing that.
 
Speaking of sport team names that are a bit unique, the Minnesota Twins somehow have the best record in the MLB.

Does anyone who actually follow baseball think it will last? Not sure fire top spot, but that it'll lead to a playoff berth aside from the wildcard play in game?

Some guys playing better early than they likely will for the season (most notably Polanco and Garver, among position players). Sano coming back, though. Perez is surprising, but that might be legit. I think they have to be the favorites to win the division at this point, though I think the Indians have better talent (probably around 50/50 for the Twins to win, with the Indians taking most of the remaining 50%).
 
Some guys playing better early than they likely will for the season (most notably Polanco and Garver, among position players). Sano coming back, though. Perez is surprising, but that might be legit. I think they have to be the favorites to win the division at this point, though I think the Indians have better talent (probably around 50/50 for the Twins to win, with the Indians taking most of the remaining 50%).
To be fair, doesn't their division include the White Sox and Tigers?
 
My favorite sports team has a pretty much meaningless mascot--WTF is an Athletic (as a noun)? I mean, I know the origin (the Philadelphia Athletic Club), but it's meaningless today. They should have changed when they changed cities. Don't know what would be good for Oakland, though. Hipsters (they could have the mustache on their logo)? Longshoremen? The symbol is an elephant, adopted defiantly after John McGraw told the owner that the team was a white elephant (something expensive but worthless, basically). The PCL team was the Oaks.

Any idea why the Athletics had an elephant on the jerseys at one time?
 
Speaking of sport team names that are a bit unique, the Minnesota Twins somehow have the best record in the MLB.

Does anyone who actually follow baseball think it will last? Not sure fire top spot, but that it'll lead to a playoff berth aside from the wildcard play in game?

Last year was a big disappointment and they fired their general manager. Didn't expect them to come out with the hottest start in the league with a roster of mostly no names still.

Haven't been following them, but judging the MLB teams through the first 50 games of the season is an exercise in futility.
 
Any idea why the Athletics had an elephant on the jerseys at one time?

Yes, mentioned that. John McGraw, the legendary former Oriole and then Giants manager said that the team was a white elephant. After they had some success, they kind of turned it around and used that as an unofficial mascot. If you go to games now, they still have this guy dressed as an elephant called "Stomper" who bugs fans.
 
Speaking of sport team names that are a bit unique, the Minnesota Twins somehow have the best record in the MLB.

Does anyone who actually follow baseball think it will last? Not sure fire top spot, but that it'll lead to a playoff berth aside from the wildcard play in game?

Last year was a big disappointment and they fired their general manager. Didn't expect them to come out with the hottest start in the league with a roster of mostly no names still.
They've got a good shot at winning their division since the Indians are the only threat and their pitching staff is busted up right now.
 
Speaking of sport team names that are a bit unique, the Minnesota Twins somehow have the best record in the MLB.

Does anyone who actually follow baseball think it will last? Not sure fire top spot, but that it'll lead to a playoff berth aside from the wildcard play in game?

Last year was a big disappointment and they fired their general manager. Didn't expect them to come out with the hottest start in the league with a roster of mostly no names still.

My favorite sports teams names:

1. Detroit Pistons
2. Pittsburgh Steelers
3. Oakland Athletics
4. Green Bay Packers
5. Baltimore Ravens (Edgar Allan Poe ftw)
6. New York Knicks
7. St. Louis Blues
8. Detroit Red Wings
9. Indiana Pacers
10. Minnesota Twins

Worst ones:
1. Cleveland Browns (their logo is an orange helmet)
2. Kansas City Royals (not only is KC not royal, but the name was appropriate from a negro league team)
3. New Orleans Pelicans
4. Washington Redskins (in our fucking national capital)
5. Houston Texans
6. Pittsburgh Pirates (bitch, your city isn't even coastal)
7. Chicago Blackhawks (remember, phonetics people)
8. Cleveland Indians (that fucking mascot)
9. Denver Nuggets (boogers, turds, little chubby girls, processed chicken?)
10. Washington Wizards
 
I'm shocked in turned racial. Like, who woulda seen that comin?

I legit laughed when Yorkist popped in and told nutman44 (I think...maybe nac) "you only hate these welfare recipients because they're white."
 
Why does it seem like a lot of people cant think beyond immediate consequences? I thought that was a womanly trait, but apparently not.
 
I legit laughed when Yorkist popped in and told nutman44 (I think...maybe nac) "you only hate these welfare recipients because they're white."
Yeah I chuckled at that myself. The lack of self awareness is impressive.
 
Why does it seem like a lot of people cant think beyond immediate consequences? I thought that was a womanly trait, but apparently not.

God, no, I get the impression that short-sightedness and reaction based thinking is very much a masculine trait. Trump is the epitome of that: how wannabe-alpha males really like leaders who react decisively without thinking, revising, apologizing, or really being thoughtful in the least.
 
Pretty damning NYT article on what is going on at the NRA

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/nra-finances-executives-board-members.html

The tantalizing leaks have spilled out in the weeks since the National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Indianapolis devolved into civil war.

Amid anxiety over falling revenue and mounting legal trouble has come news that the gun group’s longtime chief executive, Wayne LaPierre, billed $275,000 for purchases at the Zegna luxury men’s wear boutique in Beverly Hills. Its largely ceremonial president, Oliver L. North, had a contract worth millions of dollars a year. And a litany of payments benefited prominent officials, like the $60,000 for advertising on a TV show featuring the rock musician and N.R.A. board member Ted Nugent.

But behind the internecine squabbling lie deeper financial problems. A review of tax records by The New York Times shows that, to steady its finances, the powerful lobbying group has increasingly relied on cash infusions and other transactions involving its affiliated foundation — at least $206 million worth since 2010.

The role of the foundation is among the issues being examined in a new investigation into the N.R.A.’s tax-exempt status by the New York attorney general, Letitia James. The N.R.A. and the charity received separate letters last month from Ms. James’s office ordering them to preserve pertinent records, according to several people who had seen them.

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Many of the latest revelations came in a cache of internal documents posted online and spotted last week by a reporter for the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website. In addition to his Beverly Hills wardrobe purchases, Mr. LaPierre, who earns more than $1.4 million a year, billed $267,000 in personal expenses, including flights and limousine service for trips to the Bahamas, Florida, Nevada, Budapest and an Italian lake resort, the leaked documents show. He even arranged for Ackerman to pay an intern’s rent.

As for Mr. North, while the N.R.A.’s presidency is traditionally unpaid, he was agitating to change that — in spite of a lucrative perk, a contract with Ackerman that, according to Mr. LaPierre, paid him “millions of dollars annually.” And Ackerman has been reaping $40 million a year, even though its signature product, the online streaming service NRATV, has minuscule web traffic.


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Many N.R.A. officials have said its woes are overstated. Opponents “are trying to paint this false narrative that we’re in deep financial trouble, and I think it’s wishful thinking on their part,” Todd Rathner, a lobbyist and longtime N.R.A. board member, said in an interview.

a recently leaked letter, Mr. North said that for the last year, the firm had been paid nearly $100,000 a day, “draining N.R.A. cash at mind-boggling speed.” (An N.R.A. official said that characterization “reflects a misinformed view.”)

The power struggle has yet to abate. On Tuesday, Allen B. West, a former congressman, became the first board member since the convention to call on Mr. LaPierre to resign. He accused the current leadership of “outright lies” and said board members had not been made aware of the controversial spending practices. “It is imperative that the N.R.A. cleans its own house,” Mr. West said in a statement.

In response, Carolyn Meadows, the N.R.A.’s new president, and two other senior officials said that board members had been apprised of the issues and had ample opportunity to delve into the details at the Indianapolis convention.

tweeted last month for the N.R.A. to “stop the internal fighting, & get back to GREATNESS — FAST!”

Despite the president’s ardent support for the N.R.A.’s agenda, he has been part of the problem. The $128 million in dues the group reported in 2017 was the lowest since 2012; fund-raising often slips when Republicans take over the White House and N.R.A. members’ worries recede.

“We have an unusual business model,” Mr. Rathner said. “The more successful we are, the less money we make, but clearly that doesn’t stop us from doing the job our members expect us to do, and as history has proven, we find ways to make it back each election cycle.”

Threat and Response
The call came at 2:58 p.m. on a Wednesday in April.

Mr. North was on the phone. He had called a senior aide to Mr. LaPierre to convey a message. Mr. North warned that if Mr. LaPierre didn’t retire, a damaging letter would be delivered to the N.R.A. board.

Mr. LaPierre was taken aback.

“I was forced to confront one of those defining choices, styled, in the parlance of extortionists, as an offer I couldn’t refuse,” he wrote to the board. “I refused it.”

N.R.A. perks.

Marion Hammer, a longtime board member and lobbyist, received $270,000 in consulting fees from the gun group last year. The N.R.A. also paid David Keene, a former president, $40,000 last year, even as he was enmeshed in the scandal involving his one-time business partner Maria Butina, a Russian who pleaded guilty to being a covert foreign agent.

And there was the nearly $14,000 Ackerman paid over three months, at Mr. LaPierre’s request, to rent an apartment in Virginia for a young woman who was then a summer intern, and is now an N.R.A. employee.

“The N.R.A. was introduced to this young lady by her father, who is a local first responder and longtime N.R.A. member,” said Andrew Arulanandam, an N.R.A. spokesman, who added that the accommodation was made after housing at a nearby university, where interns typically stayed, became unavailable.

Ms. Meadows, the new president, called the revelations “stale news — being recycled by those with personal agendas.”

Such payments are likely to be scrutinized by Ms. James’s office, which is examining “transactions between the N.R.A. and its board members, unauthorized political activity, and potentially false or misleading disclosures in regulatory filings,” according to a copy of a letter sent to the N.R.A. and reviewed by The Times. (The attorney general of New York has jurisdiction because the N.R.A. was established there.)

Federal rules restrict transactions that confer economic benefits on high-ranking employees of tax-exempt organizations. A number ofsuch transactions have already drawn scrutiny, and others are emerging.

wrote to two prominent N.R.A. officials to complain that because of the group’s “difficult financial situation, I am spending much more time on the road raising money” than expected.

his own open letter that “the things that are taking place within the organization, I feel are things that corrupt Congressmen would be doing” — not, he said, the leaders of the “oldest civil rights organization in the country.”

appeared in a commercialopposing the measure, and was criticized when he later helped block itfrom going into effect.

When Mr. Laxalt ran for governor last year, he had the N.R.A.’s endorsement and A+ rating, and was fiercely opposed by gun control groups. He lost to Steve Sisolak, a Democrat who in February signed background check legislation into law.

“That is Exhibit 1 of their diminishing power, and their inability to do what they used to do,” Mr. Feinblatt said.

Mr. Rathner, the lobbyist and longtime N.R.A. board member, sees it differently. The organization’s members, he said, pay their dues “to protect them from anti-gun legislation and anti-gun policies, and quite frankly, we gave them a president who appointed two good Supreme Court justices and over 100 lower court judges to protect them for a generation or two. And we did that because that’s what our members expect us to do.”


My friend is on the NRA Board and asked Wayne to step down today

 
God, no, I get the impression that short-sightedness and reaction based thinking is very much a masculine trait. Trump is the epitome of that: how wannabe-alpha males really like leaders who react decisively without thinking, revising, apologizing, or really being thoughtful in the least.

I would say that humans overall are drawn to leaders who seemingly "wear their heart on their sleeve", the populist, instinctive and impulsive type of leadership.

It's not something that I feel is restricted to men or women in particular, perhaps it is more of a "class" trait. A calculated and controlled leader can become a target of suspicion, especially among the so-called "lower classes" of society.

There are plenty of "female Trumps" in Western politics and they also often come off as more likeable, to atleast a portion of the population, than the Hillary Clinton types.

Perhaps a part of the appeal is the fact that the people do not feel intellectually challenged by such a leader, and feel empowered by that thought. If you think that your leader is more of an "idiot" than you are, you're less likely to think that they're pulling a scam on you.

A lot of the conspiracy theories during Bush Jr's time, kind of fell apart eventually, because the President just seemed like such a hapless idiot, incapable of really pulling off anything major, without a massive blunder. The same goes for Trump, and the conspiracies regarding him, in the end people just think he is too big of a hack to plot anything successfully.
 
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God, no, I get the impression that short-sightedness and reaction based thinking is very much a masculine trait. Trump is the epitome of that: how wannabe-alpha males really like leaders who react decisively without thinking, revising, apologizing, or really being thoughtful in the least.

I would say that humans overall are drawn to leaders who seemingly "wear their heart on their sleeve", the populist, instinctive and impulsive type of leadership.

It's not something that I feel is restricted to men or women in particular, perhaps it is more of a "class" trait. A calculated and controlled leader can become a target of suspicion, especially among the so-called "lower classes" of society.

There are plenty of "female Trumps" in Western politics and they also often come off as more likeable, to atleast a portion of the population, than the Hillary Clinton types.

Perhaps a part of the appeal is the fact that the people do not feel intellectually challenged by such a leader, and feel empowered by that thought. If you think that your leader is more of an "idiot" than you are, you're less likely to think that they're pulling a scam on you.

A lot of the conspiracy theories during Bush Jr's time, kind of fell apart eventually, because the President just seemed like such a hapless idiot, incapable of really pulling off anything major without a massive blunder.

I was talking more along the lines of us normal people, but I appreciate your views nonetheless.
 
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