War Room Lounge V43: STEM is Overrated

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@Trotsky, if you actually did speak to people about me, I would say this to you;

I don't want you gone. I would never go out of my way (A phone call) to have you eliminated on this website. Who you spoke to, they are not who you think they are and they also do not hold any real power here. I mean no disrespect to who you reached out to. They have local power (This forum) But it is not on a wider scale (We will leave it at that)

The fact of the matter is, there is levels to this and family always wins.

 

[Stoic1]

Ya'll are taking this shit way too seriously for an online message forum.

That being said - I want my original account back. @ANYMODWHOCARESOWAITNVMMIND. That shit would be from 1999 or something. Back then it was like the wild wild west. Call out threads resulted in actual fistfights. Fighters would talk shit.

Now? Bitches are trying to get each other banned for words. People take ignore lists seriously. Hah!

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I would imagine that these people experience dysfunction mainly because the "real experience" for them, is being with a woman who is probably well-below their beauty ideals, both in behaviour and physical appearance.

And that's not to say that their standards are necessarily even that high (which is what the "incels" are usually blamed for), it's just that your average "awkward dude" is not even going to have sex with the "average decent-looking woman" (which, in fairness, doesn't really exist). They'd probably be someone who's fairly over-weight and not too pleasant in behaviour (which is about the average nowadays).

Most women in the West nowadays are over-weight (as are the men). It's just not that pleasant, I suppose, for over-weight people to have sex, especially if they are very awkward in behaviour. So they'd rather just harbour idealized fantasies, of what "could've been".

You being from, I believe, Brazil(?) probably have a very different culture when it comes to taking care of physical appearance and being socially aware, where being decent-looking and either masculine/feminine (instead of androgynous) in behaviour is to a degree still enforced at a societal level.

Aren't you from northern europe? I think girls aren't that bad there. Now, England, that's another matter.

 

[HockeyBjj]

@HockeyBjj Also

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The Varys defection - him suddenly not being sure if Dany is a psychopath - is so fucking stupid. He was sure about her back in Mereen when she crucified hundreds and fed those innocent masters to her dragon. And what has she done since then to lose his trust? Oh, she's just made good faith concessions to a northern lord, then risked her life to save him, and then risked her life and sacrificed half her forces to fight for the good of the realm rather than take the throne.

If anything, his confidence in her should be at an all-time high.

Spoiler: Got ep 5

I mean, yes, they did set up some of Dany going into madness and that wasn't completely surprising that it did happen. I'm just very upset there wasn't something to push her over the edge. The enemy surrenders, King's Landing and the irone throne you've craved your whole life are finally yours! At it seemed she just decided to murder everyone just because?

A few off the top of my head ways that final turn could have been made much better.

Kill two birds with one stone of bad moments. Have Rhaegal get shot down this episode not last, and seeing her child killed sends Dany off the deep end

When the lannisters surrender and the bells toll, show the peasants celebrating that they've been saved by slaughter, and show them celebrating and thanking Jon as he was the one commanding the ground troops. This would definitely throw her into Targ madness.

Have some hidden scorpions in the internal of the city on rooftops. Have cersei place them covered with civilian human shields. Have one of these manage to shoot Drogon in the leg. Fearful of losing her final child, she kills everyone.

Have her city strafing seen to be trying to target or hunt down Jon. She wants to kill her competition to the iron throne now that they've won the throne, and doesn't care how many innocents or her own troops she has to kill as long as he is one of them.

Even just on initial attack, have her not sticking to burning the scorpions and the walls as she did, just go nuts from the beginning once her blood gets pumping, would have been better. Show Jon/Tyrion/Davis shouting "No!" futility up at her but she can't stop herself.

Just not at the moment she wins and has everything she's strived for for years, have her destroy everything she's just won- just because

 

[JDragon]

He's not on mine just because he doesn't post that often, but he's definitely worthless.

Also, I think JVS's liberal usage of the ignore list is becoming more common. For my first two years here, the only people on my ignore were GSM and, for a little while, Heretic. I've expanded mine to 8 or so posters and I have observed noticeable improvements in threads because of it.

I would actually like a function that allows you to switch on/off pre-defined user lists. Like maybe from one end that looks like the JVS one to another end that bans all liberal posters with some variations in-between.

It is certainly a slippery slope. If I did not enjoy the general banter on here, I would spend my time elsewhere. Right now only one poster is on my list because he fucks up the Brexit thread.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Chimps are scary, but I wouldn't mind cracking open some cold ones and cuddling with some tangs and gorillas.

How about ripping a fat dab with a babby chimp?

 

[Andy Capp]

That isn’t accurate and don’t belive anyone who claims to.

This makes far more sense in light of @Fawlty's ridiculous claims of late. I don't think it's all that funny, but to me, it's a weird kind of thing for people to take seriously. I mean, as if there aren't a bunch of you all working together under a proper hierarchy to keep this place running; you're going to act on the say so of some pleb. Shows a lack of respect, IMO.

Anyway, thanks for doing a thankless job.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't know about trac, he seems a good poster unless I'm missing him up with someone else. But yes to the rest of it could be done haha.

I used to lump him in with a lot of the goon squad but in fairness to him he really has made an effort to make good faith overtures to me on some topics that we have serious disagreements on so I give him props for that and he's cool in my book.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Spoiler: Got ep 5

I mean, yes, they did set up some of Dany going into madness and that wasn't completely surprising that it did happen. I'm just very upset there wasn't something to push her over the edge.

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I disagree with this in that there was a lot to set it off, but I think you kind of hit on the problem with the season. It appears that they have planned endings for all the characters but nowhere near enough time to really get to them. So they're just frantically trying to get them all in with a bunch of shortcuts, and as a result, they don't really have the impact that you feel like they're supposed to. The way the show is set up, it's probably inevitable that the ending would disappoint unless they planned it a few seasons out.

I would actually like a function that allows you to switch on/off pre-defined user lists. Like maybe from one end that looks like the JVS one to another end that bans all liberal posters with some variations in-between.

Just FYI, my ignore list isn't based on ideology at all. I ignore shitty posters.

 

[Trotsky]

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I disagree with this in that there was a lot to set it off, but I think you kind of hit on the problem with the season. It appears that they have planned endings for all the characters but nowhere near enough time to really get to them. So they're just frantically trying to get them all in with a bunch of shortcuts, and as a result, they don't really have the impact that you feel like they're supposed to. The way the show is set up, it's probably inevitable that the ending would disappoint unless they planned it a few seasons out.

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I think people are being somewhat quick to write off this season's shittiness as inevitable. Yes, it was inevitable that it would be rushed and some plot threads wouldn't be tied up, but you can see from HockeyBJJ's suggestions and the many "why didn't they" type videos and, for instance, the one that I posted where the guy rewrote episode 3, to see that more satisfying and logical events could have happened. But the writing is.....good lord, it's so incompetent. It's frankly insulting to HBO that this much time and money was spent on such poorly written rubbish.

 

[HockeyBjj]

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I disagree with this in that there was a lot to set it off, but I think you kind of hit on the problem with the season. It appears that they have planned endings for all the characters but nowhere near enough time to really get to them. So they're just frantically trying to get them all in with a bunch of shortcuts, and as a result, they don't really have the impact that you feel like they're supposed to. The way the show is set up, it's probably inevitable that the ending would disappoint unless they planned it a few seasons out.

Also @Trotsky

This tweet chain I think explains it well. Apparently a sliding scale of pantser vs plotter writers has been used for a while by big story writers. Grrm is the ultimate far end example of a fly by the seat of your pants writer. He has hardly any plan, just writes the characters as authentically as he can and sees where they take him. I would say a writer such as JK Rowling, tho simpler children's and young adult books, is a far end plotter as each year there was a defined plan of what would happen and all the characters decisions and events led to that plot.

As such with GRRM, all of a character's decisions and actions have consequences, and are based on their past and their moves feel authentic for the character and not forced. This is why most of us absolutely loved GoT seasons 1-4 and into 5.

Now that the show has outpaced the source material, they didn't continue writing their stories individually from the characters perspective. They had a plan to end it X way in a set number of episodes, and planned to hit certain milestones along the way. This is why all the characters feel forced and different now, because they've been forced to converge and make decisions that lead to a particular outcome.

This doesn't necessarily mean that Pants writers are fully better. Look where GRRM is now. He has so damn many loose ends his last book felt wandering, and even the author is stuck and unable to bring it all to a close. Plotters don't have this problem.

 

[Lord Coke]

these emails were leaked over the weekend I think people at the NRA are going to jail and that it is losing its 501c3 status.

@Quipling take a look and tell what you think

 

[HockeyBjj]

Ooh. How very fitting for the war room here

Spoiler: Got S8E5 tweet

 

[Jack V Savage]

Also @Trotsky

This tweet chain I think explains it well. Apparently a sliding scale of pantser vs plotter writers has been used for a while by big story writers.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. They have beats they want to hit, and they're rushing to get there. A "bucket list" was a good way to put it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Spoiler

I think people are being somewhat quick to write off this season's shittiness as inevitable. Yes, it was inevitable that it would be rushed and some plot threads wouldn't be tied up, but you can see from HockeyBJJ's suggestions and the many "why didn't they" type videos and, for instance, the one that I posted where the guy rewrote episode 3, to see that more satisfying and logical events could have happened. But the writing is.....good lord, it's so incompetent. It's frankly insulting to HBO that this much time and money was spent on such poorly written rubbish.

Strongly disagree that the writers are incompetent. Maybe "inevitable" was the wrong term, as they didn't have to end it when they did, and they could have left some strings untied in order to give proper time to develop the most important ones. But they were boxed into a corner a long time ago, and they were forced to either have the series run much longer than they wanted it to or ridiculously accelerate the pace (relative to the standard established earlier) in order to get to where they wanted to go.

 

[Trotsky]

Strongly disagree that the writers are incompetent. Maybe "inevitable" was the wrong term, as they didn't have to end it when they did, and they could have left some strings untied in order to give proper time to develop the most important ones. But they were boxed into a corner a long time ago, and they were forced to either have the series run much longer than they wanted it to or ridiculously accelerate the pace (relative to the standard established earlier) in order to get to where they wanted to go.

I don't know how you'd think the writers are anything but incompetent in terms of devising the plot. Nearly every single episode the past few seasons has had glaring plot holes and stupidity. There were plenty of ways to get where they're going without said silliness.

Here's the video I sent HBJJ btw. The guy made minor tweaks to the Battle of Winterfell episode that would have massively improved it within the story.

 

[TeTe]

So has anyone on the Republican side announced they are going to run against Trump yet other Bill Weld?

Glad the libertarian is running on the GOP ticket so he stands a better chance of getting nominated. Although I have to wonder who will be running for the Libertarian party now.

 

[Gregolian]

@HockeyBjj Also

Spoiler

The Varys defection - him suddenly not being sure if Dany is a psychopath - is so fucking stupid. He was sure about her back in Mereen when she crucified hundreds and fed those innocent masters to her dragon. And what has she done since then to lose his trust? Oh, she's just made good faith concessions to a northern lord, then risked her life to save him, and then risked her life and sacrificed half her forces to fight for the good of the realm rather than take the throne.

If anything, his confidence in her should be at an all-time high.

This is where the books are better. From Dany's chapters as far back as when she was in Astapor you can see bits and pieces of "this chick is fucking crazy" in her thought processes.

 

[Gregolian]

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But the writing is.....good lord, it's so incompetent. It's frankly insulting to HBO that this much time and money was spent on such poorly written rubbish.

It's pretty obvious that the producers are burnt out and it's felt that way since just before the Beyond the Wall shit.