WAR ROOM LOUNGE V42: Some People are Finer than Others

We have lots of fine people on all sides. Who are the finest people? (choose 4)

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Jack V Savage said:
There's no objective truth in Heretic's model. Some people are accusing people of some things and other people are accusing other people of some things and only partisanship and hypocrisy would lead one to believe that some of the charges are true and others are not. That's how the water-muddying game works.
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It's a bummer because @HereticBD is smarter than that, I think. But it appears that hostile partisanship has hijacked his brain and deleted his ability to reason in an objective way.

But you're right. Anyone who looks at the facts in an objective way could never come to the conclusions he's coming too.
 
kpt018 said:
It's a bummer because @HereticBD is smarter than that, I think. But it appears that hostile partisanship has hijacked his brain and deleted his ability to reason in an objective way.

But you're right. Anyone who looks at the facts in an objective way could never come to the conclusions he's coming too.
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And the sad thing is that he's not some kind of outlier. He's smarter than the average person who shares his views on every single subject. It's not so much "Heretic is a bad actor" as "Heretic is coming from a culture that strongly encourages bad-faith arguments and prioritizing tribalism over any attempt to investigate objective truth."
 
Man alive, watching @HereticBD get destroyed in the lounge is becoming a full time sport around here.
 
Sketch said:
Man alive, watching @HereticBD get destroyed in the lounge is becoming a full time sport around here.
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Jack V Savage said:
What do you think? I get the point, but I kind of like it. More issue-based news and discussion than you normally get. Maybe it's bad that that's the way to get away from horse-race or he-said/she-said crap, though.
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I hate the spin of "newly viral...industrial complex" and that it gives the race "plot points." The Townhalls are characterized throughout as "a fascinating set of TV show gewgaws." She frames the whole thing as a spectacle of continuity with the 2016 election, when at worst it's a somewhat selfless and low-ratings-getting attempt to get all the candidates out there for their viewers, imo.
 
Fawlty said:
I hate the spin of "newly viral...industrial complex" and that it gives the race "plot points." The Townhalls are characterized throughout as "a fascinating set of TV show gewgaws." She frames the whole thing as a spectacle of continuity with the 2016 election, when at worst it's a somewhat selfless and low-ratings-getting attempt to get all the candidates out there for their viewers, imo.
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I think the issue is the manufactured nature of the display, the hand selected audience, ditto the questions and the people who ask them. I agree it's better than 6 taking heads on a split screen all shouting at one another, but not by much.

Aside, in the article on the same site about the significance of Biden's polling surge, it's not looking good for Bernie if the article accurate. I'm going to call it now as coming down to Warren and Biden.
 
Crazy Diamond said:
I think the issue is the manufactured nature of the display, the hand selected audience, ditto the questions and the people who ask them. I agree it's better than 6 taking heads on a split screen all shouting at one another, but not by much.

Aside, in the article on the same site about the significance of Biden's polling surge, it's not looking good for Bernie if the article accurate. I'm going to call it now as coming down to Warren and Biden.
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Might as well just shut the country down now. We have become piss-poor.
 
Crazy Diamond said:
I think the issue is the manufactured nature of the display, the hand selected audience, ditto the questions and the people who ask them. I agree it's better than 6 taking heads on a split screen all shouting at one another, but not by much.

Aside, in the article on the same site about the significance of Biden's polling surge, it's not looking good for Bernie if the article accurate. I'm going to call it now as coming down to Warren and Biden.
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I'm not comfortable calling Warren finishing in the top 2 yet (but she's still my #1 choice), because she hasn't really made a comeback. I think she has the potential to get past Bernie later this year, as long as she stays on policy like she has been, with the fire she brings. She's even better rhetorically than he is. I think the stupid "controversies" of the last couple years hurt her, her gender hurts her, and she's more vulnerable to losing support over gaffes than most others.

The questions are a good mix of chin music and easier ones that allow them to elaborate. I'm not sure what people expect, other than being offended by the kinda shameless branding of "Town Hall" since it's not really a Town Hall setting. It's so much better in terms of communication of message/policy than a traditional, worthless large-crowd debate that I wouldn't try to make the comparison.
 
Fawlty said:
I'm not comfortable calling Warren finishing in the top 2 yet (but she's still my #1 choice), because she hasn't really made a comeback. I think she has the potential to get past Bernie later this year, as long as she stays on policy like she has been, with the fire she brings. She's even better rhetorically than he is. I think the stupid "controversies" of the last couple years hurt her, her gender hurts her, and she's more vulnerable to losing support over gaffes than most others.

The questions are a good mix of chin music and easier ones that allow them to elaborate. I'm not sure what people expect, other than being offended by the kinda shameless branding of "Town Hall" since it's not really a Town Hall setting. It's so much better in terms of communication of message/policy than a traditional, worthless large-crowd debate that I wouldn't try to make the comparison.
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I think Bernie is going to keep dropping in the polls if he chooses enfranchising convicts as the hill he wants to die on. Hopefully he can recover but he really hurt his chances pushing that line (not saying I agree or not because it's irrelevant.) I think Warren has the right stuff to keep climbing in the polls. But I don't necessarily think you're wrong.
 
Crazy Diamond said:
I think Bernie is going to keep dropping in the polls if he chooses enfranchising convicts as the hill he wants to die on. Hopefully he can recover but he really hurt his chances pushing that line (not saying I agree or not because it's irrelevant.) I think Warren has the right stuff to keep climbing in the polls. But I don't necessarily think you're wrong.
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Social media and MSM made too big a deal out of prisoners voting imo. It's just not an important issue. Restoration after sentencing is an issue in many states, but even then, that's not where the conversation should be.
 
Fawlty said:
Social media and MSM made too big a deal out of prisoners voting imo. It's just not an important issue. Restoration after sentencing is an issue in many states, but even then, that's not where the conversation should be.
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I'm saying, according to the article on 538, almost no one agrees with giving the vote to people who are incarcerated. I believe that had a lot to do with his drop in the polls. I agree it's not that big of an issue, but at a time when people are looking for anything with which to hammer Sanders, or so it seems, Sanders totally failed to read the room on that one and I think it had a disproportionate impact because of the near universal lack of appeal for such a measure.
 
Crazy Diamond said:
I'm saying, according to the article on 538, almost no one agrees with giving the vote to people who are incarcerated. I believe that had a lot to do with his drop in the polls. I agree it's not that big of an issue, but at a time when people are looking for anything with which to hammer Sanders, or so it seems, Sanders totally failed to read the room on that one and I think it had a disproportionate impact because of the near universal lack of appeal for such a measure.
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He was in a bad spot there, though. How can he hedge his views on that? I don't think there's an acceptable way to tell the truth there. He should have emphasized restoration of rights, but that would have been a dodge.
 
Gregolian said:
I opened that thread earlier

Saw the mod note

Saw the HomeSimpson hedge gif... liked that post, then left.
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i think 2 of the posters are commenting from a prison cell, on the phone they secreted......about their person........amazed there aint dubs flying around..
 
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