WAR ROOM LOUNGE V23: November Sixth LOOMS

[Lavalamp]

I felt bad for the guy in 300.

And I don't understand comparing cesar sayoc to him

 

[Final Rehab]

Perhaps, and their organizers are just as myopic? BAM isn't implying an end goal?

I apologize I'm a bit tired and the acronym isn't registering and google isn't helping. Black Asses Matter?

 

[Greoric]

It is a little weird if we're talking about America. It already is very multi-ethnic, and most people of all ethnic groups are fine with that--celebrate it even. If you have a problem with it, what are you going to do? Send non-whites to concentration camps? Wouldn't it more easier and more humane for you to just take your ugliness to a country that's already all-white or close to it?

It recently became more multi-ethnic, only a few decades ago. Prior to that it was a white country made by white people for white people with an immiscible African descendant group that should never have been here. The people that celebrate it are mostly living in homogeneous areas away from other ethnic groups cheering it on. And here's a shocking fact for you Jack, people are tribal, and that behavior is neurotypical. That in-group preference, of which Caucasians have the least actually, is as synonymous with normal behavior and cognition as self interested behavior.

It's rather interesting, because in the same way and for the same reasons you're interested in disparaging tribalism and in-group preference to work towards a society where everyone no matter their genetic cluster, ethnicity, or values is living under the same rules and laws is as naive and ignorant as communists and social constructionists that imagine they can manipulate people into selfless automatons working for collectivist goals.

Now with that said, I'm not as convinced by the reversion to the mean argument, so in that respect I'm not a white nationalist advocate, because I'd still much rather have a Walter Williams in the same society as me as opposed to a Michael Moore. I do, however, want white identity politics on par with every other group.

 

[Greoric]

I apologize I'm a bit tired and the acronym isn't registering and google isn't helping. Black Asses Matter?

By All Means Necessary (BAMN) ...left out the "N".

 

[Lord Coke]

@JamesRussler @Quipling did the Ninth Circuit get this right?
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datasto...hdjJCU0Q4MmNycTdYb09RbXNMUG83OTRYMlwvUzMifQ==

Two dinosaurs (a theropod and ceratopsian) fight, die some 66 million years ago in what is now Garfield County, Mont. Their fossils, still intertwined, are now extremely valuable. But do they belong to the surface-estate landowner or to party that owns the rights to mine minerals on the land? To the mineral rights owner, says the Ninth Circuit; fossils are minerals under Montana law. Judge Murguia, dissenting: Fossils are indeed organic matter that become a mineral compound over time, but they are not mined, they are not typically extracted for economic purpose, and they just aren’t minerals as the term is ordinarily understood.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It recently became more multi-ethnic, only a few decades ago. Prior to that it was a white country made by white people for white people with an immiscible African descendant group that should never have been here.

Not even true. What's happened is that previous ethnic groups blended and formed a new ethnic identity (at least as you're defining it--still not sure that most Italian-Americans would like to be seen as the same ethnicity as Irish-Americans, for example). And who cares if you think that black people shouldn't be here? They are. They're citizens of this country just like you, and you have no more standing to demand that they leave than they have to demand that you leave. If it bothers you, though, you can move to another country that has a mix more to your liking. That's easier than demanding that more than a third of Americans leave.

It's rather interesting, because in the same way and for the same reasons you're interested in disparaging tribalism and in-group preference to work towards a society where everyone no matter their genetic cluster, ethnicity, or values can live under the same rules and laws is as naive and ignorant as the communists and social constructionists that imagine they can manipulate people into selfless automatons working for collectivist goals.

Well, I disagree and think that the success of America refutes your collectivism. But, again, if you hate this country so much, why not find a new one?

 

[Greoric]

Not even true. What's happened is that the previous multi-ethnic group blended and formed a new ethnic identity (at least as you're defining it--still not sure that most Italian-Americans would like to be seen as the same ethnicity as Irish-Americans, for example).

All those listed are apart of the same genetic cluster as Europeans.... Caucasians... as opposed to Asians and Africans. I don't understand the "not even true" part.

 

[Greoric]

Well, I disagree and think that the success of America refutes your collectivism. But, again, if you hate this country so much, why not find a new one?

Yeah, the success of the US is by virtue of the codified rights it was founded on... Individual rights no other population majority except for a genetic cluster among Caucasians adopted and valued.

 

[Sketch]

LOL @Ripskater being a mod troll

I know who runs the account he's not a mod

 

[Jack V Savage]

All those listed are apart of the same genetic cluster as Europeans.... Caucasians... as opposed to Asians and Africans. I don't understand the "not even true" part.

You're equivocating on "ethnicity," no?

Anyway, like I said, it would be easier for you to and the 5,000 or so people who believe what you do to leave than to expect more than a third of Americans to leave, especially when most of the other two-thirds don't want that.

Yeah, the success of the US is by virtue of the codified rights it was founded on... Individual rights no other population majority except for a genetic cluster among Caucasians adopted and valued.

I agree that our system of gov't--which includes civic nationalism--is more effective, more just, and more rational than previous forms. If you want to start another ethnostate, do it somewhere else. We're good here.

 

[Sketch]

You're equivocating on "ethnicity," no?

Anyway, like I said, it would be easier for you to and the 5,000 or so people who believe what you do to leave than to expect more than a third of Americans to leave, especially when most of the other two-thirds don't want that.



I agree that our system of gov't--which includes civic nationalism--is more effective, more just, and more rational than previous forms. If you want to start another ethnostate, do it somewhere else. We're good here.

Source on it only being 5000 people?

 

[Greoric]

You're equivocating on "ethnicity," no?

Anyway, like I said, it would be easier for you to and the 5,000 or so people who believe what you do to leave than to expect more than a third of Americans to leave, especially when most of the other two-thirds don't want that.

I agree that our system of gov't--which includes civic nationalism--is more effective, more just, and more rational than previous forms. If you want to start another ethnostate, do it somewhere else. We're good here.

Well no one needs to leave. We just need to break up. Preferably in an amicable fashion. In the very near term our current arrangement of a white created government with uniquely white values of individualism... overlaid by populations that demonstrably do not appreciate those codified values is not sustainable.

So, right. AA's shouldn't leave. But they should have their own society within the geographic US. They are, at this point their own unique genetic cluster significantly distinct from other African groups by virtue of European intermixing (presumably because of slave rape). Even still, its abundantly clear from their polled values, similar to the South and Central African migrants that they do not share the fundamental values whites had (and only a majority of whites still have) when they created the country i.e. limited government, freedom of speech, and an individual right to bear arms among the most significant issues.

So, with that reality in mind, as much as I don't really care for a racially homogeneous society as opposed to an ideologically homogeneous one, its likely that a split will consider race as a factor that's non-negligible... even if its tertiary and incidental.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I just saw an (assuming) non-ironic link to a Vox article in here

cmon son

 

[Jack V Savage]

So, right. AA's shouldn't leave. But they demonstrably should have their own society within the geographic US. They are, at this point their own unique genetic cluster significantly distinct from other African groups by virtue of European intermixing (presumably because of slave rape). Even still, its abundantly clear from their polled values, similar to the South and Central African migrants that they do not share the fundamental values whites had (and only a majority of whites still have) when they created the country i.e. limited government, freedom of speech, and an individual right to bear arms among the most significant issues.

So basically if we allow minorities to vote, we might end up with a Nordic-style social democracy, and the only way to fight that horrible possibility is to have a country governed only by whites because whites would never vote for that shit.

 

[Greoric]

So basically if we allow minorities to vote, we might end up with a Nordic-style social democracy, and the only way to fight that horrible possibility is to have a country governed only by whites because whites would never vote for that shit.

I don't know what this "we" shit is. There's no "we" when goals for a society are fundamentally polar among groups of people. That's a fucking disaster waiting to happen.... and already is.

To your proposal though, most likely not when you look at the structures of the societies other groups are coming from or even came from centuries ago. Ideas of Egalitarianism are uniquely European in nature... if that's what you're implying. The selection event that pushed the group of Europeans to this country are, however, distinct with their values, again demonstrably, when you look at polled issues. The only majority population that still supports the core values white aristocrats founded the US on are.... white.

 

[JonesBones]

When a company keeps firing top executives, that is bad.... It indicates bad leadership when guys are getting canned or resigning left or right. Imagine this happening in a major public company. The stock would plummet. Who would have confidence in the company? Maybe we are just so used to Trump being known for firing people but damn. It also shows bad judgement because you hired these people and they obviously didn't do what you thought they would.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't know what this "we" shit is. There's no "we" when goals for a society are fundamentally polar among groups of people. That's a fucking disaster waiting to happen.... and already is.

I understand that even though you are American, you identify as white more than American. But "we" is us. Americas.

To your proposal though, most likely not when you look at the structures of the societies other groups are coming from or even came from centuries ago. Ideas of Egalitarianism are uniquely European in nature... if that's what you're implying. The selection event that pushed the group of Europeans to this country are, however, distinct with their values, again demonstrably, when you look at polled issues. The only majority population that still supports the core values white aristocrats founded the US on are.... white.

It sounds to me like your theory is so flexible that it can accommodate any conceivable set of facts. Some whites prefer more egalitarian systems? "Oh, that's because whites are the only egalitarians." Some whites prefer less egalitarian systems? "Oh, that's because whites are individualistic." One could also point out that within America, young whites and highly educated whites have very different voting tendencies from middle-aged and up whites and uneducated whites. Seems that you're stretching mightily to avoid the conclusion that race doesn't really seem to have an impact on political preferences, except to the extent that people are socialized to regard themselves in identity groups, partly on racial lines. Even within the racist community, note that a lot of Alt-Right types want more egalitarian policies but think that diversity (regardless of the type of diversity) undermines attempts to have that (which is wrong but a more-plausible theory).

One thing that is interesting is that right-wing "thought" appears to be strongly correlated with fear of disease and with disgust, and places with higher germ loads tend to be more right-wing. That could plausibly explain why Southern whites vote the way they do and why Northern whites are better voters. Also could gov't patterns in other countries (why you get more liberal gov'ts in colder places).

 

[Greoric]

Seems that you're stretching mightily to avoid the conclusion that race doesn't really seem to have an impact on political preferences.

OK. Care to share any data that supports this claim?

 

[Greoric]

I understand that even though you are American, you identify as white more than American. But "we" is us. Americas.

Did I say I was white?

 

[Jack V Savage]

OK. Care to share any data that supports this claim?

I've casually referred to bits in that post. Not going to dig around for a heavy post at this time. Maybe we'll revisit. It's frankly not a really interesting subject to me, but I see that it consumes you now. Austrian Greoric was wrong about almost everything, but his interests aligned with mine more than White Nationalist Greoric's do.