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Higus said:
It's interesting to think about.
If Gore was president on 9/11, at the very least I think it's safe to assume we would not have invaded Iraq, so you might have to guess what the trade-off would be to have Saddam Hussein potentially in power for 20 more years compared to the rise of ISIS (gross oversimplification, I know). You might also wonder if the GFC in 2008 or climate change would have had different trajectories. I can also see a scenario where 9/11 becoming the galvanizing point of GOP obstructionism rather than Obama's election, leading into something near our current state.
I can't imagine a GWB presidency without 9/11. He was basically vacationing from inauguration up to that point. It probably would have been a bland neocon term, and his reelection would have been more competitive. Maybe the Dixie Chicks would have had a better career.
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Honestly, people don't like to talk about this, but I think it's very possible that a Gore administration would have stopped it to begin with. No guarantee, but I think that Bush gets off way too light for the failure there. However, if 9/11 were foiled, there might have been other plots. The whole thing gets pretty unpredictable. I think the GFC still happens, though, and that means McCain (assuming he's still the candidate) wins big in 2008 (and no Palin). Possible that there's no obstruction, and we get multiple rounds of stimulus. Likely none as well-designed as what we did get, but more would have been good. Also, maybe Democrats rally around McCain while he deals with the crisis, and the nutter wing of the GOP hates him as much as they hated Eisenhower or Bush 41 (plus, remember in this scenario, deficits are much higher than they were in reality) and tries to primary him with Palin in 2012. Kerry maybe steps in and wins in 2012. Who knows?
 
PolishHeadlock2 said:
A couple of more interesting counterfactuals

Bill Clinton resigns from the Lewinsky scandal and Gore runs as the incumbent in 2000.... does being the incumbent in 2000 help Gore win?

Hillary wins the 2008 primary. Pre-Benghazi smear Hillary likely beats McCain as the Recession still crushes Republicans and Obama with more international experience is the heir apparent in 2016.
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As a general rule, the incumbent always has an advantage. Gore was boring but being the incumbent on a pretty popular administration I think gives him the necessary 500 votes or whatever the hell tiny number he lost by in Florida.

Not sure about Obama in 2016 though. After 8 years of a Democratic president, I don't think people would want a young, hip, progressive talking (not really progressive acting) black dude. Absolutely everyone thought that a black man would be president either in a) a really, really long time in the future, or b) never.

Obama really was the product of an unbelievable set of circumstances.
 
Trotsky said:
Missouri cop shoots and kill unarmed woman during a traffic stop on her way to work. No body cam or dashcam. The officer says the woman explicitly told him she had a gun and gestured toward it, at which point he fired several rounds into the car. And the *prosecutor* declined pressing charges on the basis of that narrative.

The fucking prosecutor decided that a video from a nearby restaurant which showed the woman "moving in her car" while talking with the officer was definitive enough to confirm his story and not put the officer in front of a judge.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local...yDQoDT1BhMIWX3uCGNttvwAyQjV3RKht-Yx83ouixHn38

While the shooting was possibly avoidable, "it cannot be said" the deputy did not have a reasonable belief he was in danger when Hannah Fizer told him she had a gun and was going to shoot him, according to the prosecutor, Stephen Sokoloff.
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Jesus Christ.

Did they even find a gun? Now just saying (allegedly; I somehow doubt it happened) "I'm going to get my gun and shoot you" is grounds for shooting someone without ever seeing a weapon.

Fucking clown world.

Edit: Just saw that no gun was found.
 
A Lurker said:
You leave the party when the cops arrive, not a moment sooner.
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You actually leave in a taxi 10 seconds before the cops arrive to be precise.

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I'd like to place a bet on another substance and rent boy in passenger seat.
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I didn't read that someone had died till now, so a belated RIP.

I once nearly hit a sheep, travelling at approx. 60 mph, at night, that i saw at the very last minute.

Had i hit it, my wife and I would have been in some bother.

I swear to this day, i don't know how i swerved into traffic to avoid a collision and then swerved back into the correct lane, without anyone, including the occupants of another car hurtling towards us, getting hurt.

I also don't remember it being a conscious decision either, i was merely a passenger at that point.

But the one thing i do know is; that Sheep was definitely a Sheep because i looked that fucker in the eye and it was shitting itself.

What I'm trying to say is; that AG doesn't want me on the jury.
 
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Higus said:
It's interesting to think about.
If Gore was president on 9/11, at the very least I think it's safe to assume we would not have invaded Iraq, so you might have to guess what the trade-off would be to have Saddam Hussein potentially in power for 20 more years compared to the rise of ISIS (gross oversimplification, I know). You might also wonder if the GFC in 2008 or climate change would have had different trajectories. I can also see a scenario where 9/11 becoming the galvanizing point of GOP obstructionism rather than Obama's election, leading into something near our current state.
I can't imagine a GWB presidency without 9/11. He was basically vacationing from inauguration up to that point. It probably would have been a bland neocon term, and his reelection would have been more competitive. Maybe the Dixie Chicks would have had a better career.
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Funny personal anecdote about the post-9/11 Islamophobia (@Kaliph of Kush) and my first time hearing of Barack Obama. It's also the type of story that @HereticBD will likely insist I'm making up, so I'll give him an early shot.

It was 2003, two years after 9/11, and my history class was having groups do presentations about Illinois politicians. I'm not sure if it was strictly State Senators or if it was all of the state general assembly. All that I remember about my assigned or chosen persons was that it was a white guy. I want to say I chose him. Anyways, Obama was an Illinois State Senator at the time. He hadn't yet run for the US Senate and he wasn't even nationally known yet. Lo and behold he was chosen by or assigned to one of my sketchiest classmates. A ginger kid whose personality and way of speaking had an unmistakable resemblance to Clark Peters from King of the Hill.

Anyways, he and his group are up, the PowerPoint loads, and up pops a picture of the Twin Towers alongside a photo of Obama, with the title "Will the Ragheads Strike Again?" The teacher, of course, immediately X'd out the presentation and sent the kids to the office.

Anyways, yeah, so I knew of Barack Obama before probably any of you....and it was on a really racist basis.
 
Kandyland said:
Good God, the stuff you say is hilarious. You say people voted for Obama because they wanted change so bad, yet you disregard the fact that Trump got elected for the same reason, people wanted change. A decent amount of people that voted for Obama voted for Trump in 2016. Ugh, I won't put you on ignore because I'm not a pussy, but you're pushing it.
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I agree with a lot of this, but what change did they get this time.
 
Trotsky said:
I mean....that's huge. That could drop Trump's electoral support 0.1, hell, even 0.2 percent!
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You misspelled "raise."

Cuz I'm sure there's a few right wingers disappointed with the lack of wall, the lack of rounding up the 11 million illegals, the continuation of birthright citizenship. They may have been thinking about not voting at all when this little tidbit comes up and they're all

<mma4>

Undocumented immigrants are arguably THE most vulnerable population in the country. You hear tons of people flabbergasted when abuses towards them are reported. "Gasp! They're ILLEGAL, they're not even supposed to be here! And they want a comfortable bed to sleep in??"
 
Trotsky said:
Funny personal anecdote about the post-9/11 Islamophobia (@Kaliph of Kush) and my first time hearing of Barack Obama. It's also the type of story that @HereticBD will likely insist I'm making up, so I'll give him an early shot.

It was 2003, two years after 9/11, and my history class was having groups do presentations about Illinois politicians. I'm not sure if it was strictly State Senators or if it was all of the state general assembly. All that I remember about my assigned or chosen persons was that it was a white guy. I want to say I chose him. Anyways, Obama was an Illinois State Senator at the time. He hadn't yet run for the US Senate and he wasn't even nationally known yet. Lo and behold he was chosen by or assigned to one of my sketchiest classmates. A ginger kid whose personality and way of speaking had an unmistakable resemblance to Clark Peters from King of the Hill.

Anyways, he and his group are up, the PowerPoint loads, and up pops a picture of the Twin Towers alongside a photo of Obama, with the title "Will the Ragheads Strike Again?" The teacher, of course, immediately X'd out the presentation and sent the kids to the office.

Anyways, yeah, so I knew of Barack Obama before probably any of you....and it was on a really racist basis.
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Fake news.
 
My Spot said:
Trots said he was in his 50s (at least) so it's interesting that he was supposedly in "history class" in 2003.
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He also says he's a American lawyer...while praising foreign communism...

Must be a hell of a conundrum for him.
 
HereticBD said:
He also says he's a American lawyer...while praising foreign communism...

Must be a hell of a conundrum for him.
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Did you see the Twitter account he made for you?
 
Grave Buster said:
She's not black, her life clearly doesn't matter. Complete lack of coverage by MSM will verify this.
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Media this, media that.

The media will cover any movement that's noteworthy. But there's no white-centered movement to end police brutality. Why? Because it's not a serious issue for the white community like it is for the black community. If there was a movement like this, the media would definitely cover it, the way they cover other mostly white movements (the Women's March, OWS in its beginnings, the environmentalist movement)

Won't stop people like you from bitching about the MSM being unfair to whitey tho.
 
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