War Room Lounge v154: People don't realize how many people had to die just for the eight hour day

[Prokofievian]

To the pessimist, the optimist must appear pathetically naive; to the optimist, the pessimist must appear heartlessly resigned to misery.

Leaving aside if either are correct, which is the more or less desirable fate?

When you were out partying and engaging in pre-marital sex, I was studying the blade. Now that the barbarians are at the gate, you dare to ask for my help?

 

[Joe]

Gohmert better be ready.. there is a new crazy sheriff in town

The future of the republican party.

 

[Lord Coke]

But... you're a conservative....isn't that conservatism in a nutshell? Those regressive tax cuts weren't exactly for punk cred.

I just think that if we are going left we could get the looking out for working class people left rather than the expand the size of government to cement the control of the oligarchy liberals. That's all.

 

[Andy Capp]

When you were out partying and engaging in pre-marital sex, I was studying the blade. Now that the barbarians are at the gate, you dare to ask for my help?

So, I'm guessing, movie reference? I don't know how that's relevant to what I said, honestly, so if you'd care to fill me in I'd appreciate it. Optimism doesn't imply immoderate behavior nor does pessimism imply dutifulness. Did I write a line from a film unawares?

 

[Lord Coke]

That is honestly one of the worst articles I’ve ever read.



^ You agree with this?

I don't agree with it other than I think she is a bad candidate.. I posted a liberal critique of Harris for a reason. She's a bad progressive candidate as well as a bad candidate from a conservative perspective. All she is is someone that has known what boot to lick her whole career which allowed her to climb the ladder. I'd rather have someone that I disagree with but was passionate about what they advocated for. She just does what is best for herself.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Agreed. I don't really understand this growing notion among liberals that Rice > Harris.

Am I missing something? This is the same Rice that's worth between $23-43 million, has tons of investments in fossil fuels, has done consulting for multi-billion dollar McKinsey & Company, and who Bernie delegates asked not to pick as VP:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/08/susan-rice-fossil-fuels-vp-candidate

Yeah, we know about Kamala's prosecuting history but I feel like that is a hurdle that's easier to overcome than Rice's corporate ties. It just seems like you're far more entrenched in the general culture of corporate power when you're a multimillionaire investor like Rice than if you're a DA with some authoritative tendencies like Kamala.

I just think Rice is really impressive. Harris is bright, too, but Rice is on another level IMO. Vice-presidenting isn't rocket science, I guess, and there are probably diminishing returns to higher intelligence levels. I also kind of fear that Harris could be more of a liability than Rice would have been, but I assume that the campaign considered that and knows a lot more about the issue than I do.

 

[Prokofievian]

So, I'm guessing, movie reference? I don't know how that's relevant to what I said, honestly, so if you'd care to fill me in I'd appreciate it. Optimism doesn't imply immoderate behavior nor does pessimism imply dutifulness. Did I write a line from a film unawares?

It's one of my favourite cringe memes. The sub reddit gamers rise up was full of these cringe memes originally, and it was just wonderful.

To comment on your post, in my experience, the only pessimists that I've ever met haven't had a good go of things. Take for example ''men going their own way.'' They would classify themselves as realists, though, but don't pessimists always? And the only real optimists that I've met haven't been slapped across the face by the fat, veiny dick of life.

We're creatures who learn from our experiences. If enough stuff breaks in one particular way these learnings become values. That's how I conceptualize it, anyways.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't agree with it other than I think she is a bad candidate.. I posted a liberal critique of Harris for a reason. She's a bad progressive candidate as well as a bad candidate from a conservative perspective. All she is is someone that has known what boot to lick her whole career which allowed her to climb the ladder. I'd rather have someone that I disagree with but was passionate about what they advocated for. She just does what is best for herself.

Going to @Andy Capp's post, I think this level of cynicism is sad. Probably wrong (I don't think either of us knows her enough to say), but I'd generally rather erroneously think that people make thinking mistakes than that they're evil monsters, and I think that's also less likely to be an error.

 

[Trotsky]

This guy is seriously streets ahead. I don't necessarily agree that that is the "only rationale," but I do agree that the pick is a giant FU to persons advocating against criminal justice abuse.

 

[BEER]

@BEER share a funny story about your Grandpa if you are up to it

Funny wasn't really his thing, but whenever I'd get in trouble, he'd make me help him work on cars and I never saw it as a punishment.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Gohmert better be ready.. there is a new crazy sheriff in town

Does she have to be back at the wax museum at midnight or does she melt? I'm not sure how Confederate Cinderella works.

 

[xcvbn]

This guy is seriously streets ahead. I don't necessarily agree that that is the "only rationale," but I do agree that the pick is a giant FU to persons advocating against criminal justice abuse.

Of course

This is what makes Harris the safest pick- she's a cop who will quell any sort of white liberal dissent over the movement to defund the police. No one in their right mind would think a cop supports policy to take their own resources. Progressives can be upset but the reality is that Harris is precisely the type of politician Democrats have clamored for to convert conservative suburbanites.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I don't agree with it other than I think she is a bad candidate.. I posted a liberal critique of Harris for a reason. She's a bad progressive candidate as well as a bad candidate from a conservative perspective. All she is is someone that has known what boot to lick her whole career which allowed her to climb the ladder. I'd rather have someone that I disagree with but was passionate about what they advocated for. She just does what is best for herself.

But that guy is so far left he’s like a caricature. He literally thinks there should be no cops or prosecutors and that any black person who gets arrested is just like slavery.

I see Harris as just being a “status quo” type of politician. Which I guess is preferable to a far leftist or far right person to me. Especially right now when the far left and right seem to be insane racists to me.

This guy is seriously streets ahead. I don't necessarily agree that that is the "only rationale," but I do agree that the pick is a giant FU to persons advocating against criminal justice abuse.

“On the Senate floor, she sparred with Rand Paul after the Kentucky Republican blocked a bill to make lynching a federal crime, and she is among the Democrats sponsoring policing legislation that would ban choke holds, racial profiling and no-knock warrants.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/politics/kamala-harris-policing.amp.html

 

[Fawlty]

And @Fawlty Elizabeth wouldn't IsraelRight be better?

Not for me. The misspelling, the implication of wokeness, the hint of antisemitism, the predictable right wing both-sidedness, I like Isreality.

 

[Sycho Sid]

This guy is seriously streets ahead. I don't necessarily agree that that is the "only rationale," but I do agree that the pick is a giant FU to persons advocating against criminal justice abuse.

You are the only person I know who actually uses streets ahead.

And I approve.

 

[Fawlty]

I just think Rice is really impressive. Harris is bright, too, but Rice is on another level IMO. Vice-presidenting isn't rocket science, I guess, and there are probably diminishing returns to higher intelligence levels. I also kind of fear that Harris could be more of a liability than Rice would have been, but I assume that the campaign considered that and knows a lot more about the issue than I do.

I think Harris is quite a bit more popular in the genpop than on the wokeweb.

 

[xcvbn]

I just think that if we are going left we could get the looking out for working class people left rather than the expand the size of government to cement the control of the oligarchy liberals. That's all.

FDR's New Deal politics were largely shaped due to outside agitation by the Communist Party and unionists, but he actually ran a very liberal centrist campaign that sought to satiate the oligarchs of the day.

Considering the left has never actually controlled any substantial portion of government in American history the odds are the left's best bet is once again to agitate and put pressure on an administration who is sympathetic to progressive causes.

 

[Fawlty]

But that guy is so far left he’s like a caricature. He literally thinks there should be no cops or prosecutors and that any black person who gets arrested is just like slavery.

I see Harris as just being a “status quo” type of politician. Which I guess is preferable to a far leftist or far right person to me. Especially right now when the far left and right seem to be insane racists to me.

“On the Senate floor, she sparred with Rand Paul after the Kentucky Republican blocked a bill to make lynching a federal crime, and she is among the Democrats sponsoring policing legislation that would ban choke holds, racial profiling and no-knock warrants.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/politics/kamala-harris-policing.amp.html

A status quo VP seems perfectly rational and reasonable no matter the character of the president, imo.

Picking Harris also prevents there from being any major rifts, as they're on basically the same page (though few if any serious contenders for VP would be on a different page, like Warren maybe). They can keep on message together, and if we're in for Joe, we're in for Harris. VP pick doesn't add much, though I think Palin shows that it can hurt somewhat, maybe - Quayle didn't really hurt Bush so I dunno.

I guess I just don't see a downside here, election-wise. But I don't see what could have been gained otherwise.

 

[Fawlty]

This guy is seriously streets ahead. I don't necessarily agree that that is the "only rationale," but I do agree that the pick is a giant FU to persons advocating against criminal justice abuse.

I do not understand his point at all. I get that he thinks Harris sort of backs up Biden who already appeals to moderate-conservative Dems, but how does she bring a vote Biden would not have gotten when she's just more of the "history of being tough on crime" stuff?

 

[Sketch]

Harris and Joe, 2020.

Cop a feel.