WAR ROOM LOUNGE V13: Ministry of Silly Talks

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The problem was that Cable said he'd trust the words of "actual black people" over Pan's. Throughout the discussion, Pan never went there until Cable brought it up.

You're choosing to take that a certain way though.

I'll take the word of natives who live in the culture on the res, surrounded by other natives and living the struggle that natives here live over a college educated guy with all white friends who is only distantly related to native culture in a day to day sense by his skin color.

That's just common sense. Like listening to an Irishman from Dublin speaking on Irish culture over a guy from Boston who maybe visited the island once in his life.

Only someone who's deliberately trying to find offense to avoid having an actual discussion would find offense there.

That goes on way to much here as evidenced by Limbo's posts to me ITT. He was just fishing for me to say something vaguely 'racist'; jokingly calling him 'chief' after he was a rude asshole to me over and over again so that he could go 'see that guy's racist, that dumb shit I said earlier doesn't matter now because I can apply the scarlet letter to this guy.'

The whole discussion started because he said he was surprised natives would side with people who didn't like race mixing over immigrants. No one who knows a lot of native people would he surprised by that and I wasn't the only person to call home out on it.

The whole 'oooh racism' thing is intellectually lazy and a way to avoid just admitting he said a dumb untrue thing and moving on.
 
You're choosing to take that a certain way though.

I'll take the word of natives who live in the culture on the res, surrounded by other natives and living the struggle that natives here live over a college educated guy with all white friends who is only distantly related to native culture in a day to day sense by his skin color.

That's just common sense. Like listening to an Irishman from Dublin speaking on Irish culture over a guy from Boston who maybe visited the island once in his life.

Only someone who's deliberately trying to find offense to avoid having an actual discussion would find offense there.

That goes on way to much here as evidenced by Limbo's posts to me ITT. He was just fishing for me to say something vaguely 'racist'; jokingly calling him 'chief' after he was a rude asshole to me over and over again so that he could go 'see that guy's racist, that dumb shit I said earlier doesn't matter now because I can apply the scarlet letter to this guy.'

The whole discussion started because he said he was surprised natives would side with people who didn't like race mixing over immigrants. No one who knows a lot of native people would he surprised by that and I wasn't the only person to call home out on it.

The whole 'oooh racism' thing is intellectually lazy and a way to avoid just admitting he said a dumb untrue thing and moving on.
<36> keep diggin son, heres a shovel
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He's gonna need a bigger shovel imo
I suspect that pit will only deepen lol
Are we even sure you guys are speaking about the same “natives?” There are pretty big cultural differences between different tribes, no?

I’ve become used to people on these boards telling me all about Jewish people or Hawaiian people. It’s still pretty frustrating to me though, honestly. I’ve even seen people lump Hawaiians in with Native Americans or Asians, depending.

I’d bet @Kafir-kun has gotten the worst of this, though.
 
You're choosing to take that a certain way though.

I'll take the word of natives who live in the culture on the res, surrounded by other natives and living the struggle that natives here live over a college educated guy with all white friends who is only distantly related to native culture in a day to day sense by his skin color.

That's just common sense. Like listening to an Irishman from Dublin speaking on Irish culture over a guy from Boston who maybe visited the island once in his life.

Only someone who's deliberately trying to find offense to avoid having an actual discussion would find offense there.

That goes on way to much here as evidenced by Limbo's posts to me ITT. He was just fishing for me to say something vaguely 'racist'; jokingly calling him 'chief' after he was a rude asshole to me over and over again so that he could go 'see that guy's racist, that dumb shit I said earlier doesn't matter now because I can apply the scarlet letter to this guy.'

The whole discussion started because he said he was surprised natives would side with people who didn't like race mixing over immigrants. No one who knows a lot of native people would he surprised by that and I wasn't the only person to call home out on it.

The whole 'oooh racism' thing is intellectually lazy and a way to avoid just admitting he said a dumb untrue thing and moving on.

I will officially join your side in this argument if you will tell me who you were in your past account.

I'm genuinely curious.
 
Are we even sure you guys are speaking about the same “natives?” There are pretty big cultural differences between different tribes, no?

I’ve become used to people on these boards telling me all about Jewish people or Hawaiian people. It’s still pretty frustrating to me though, honestly. I’ve even seen people lump Hawaiians in with Native Americans or Asians, depending.

I’d bet @Kafir-kun has gotten the worst of this, though.
He's just ignorant and trying to paint with the right kind of brush to save some face.
It's not enough to just recognize that every nation is different. There are numerous factors which account for wide spread changes between diverse populations. A very great many native people do not live on reservations. And many of those were never born on one. It's 2018 and we've had hundreds of years of relocation and assimilation.
It's very possible to understand "native culture" broadly, but that's as far as it goes without treating people with the depth of complexity warranted by a very convoluted history of movement and dispersal.
My grandma, for example, was a big ol Choctaw/Apache lady. But she came from a time and place where being native was a deadly liability, so her kids were raised without any "native culture" at all. Even so, they still had a cross burned in their yard when my mom was a kid. I was fortunate enough to live in a place where it was possible to rediscover these things for my family, and in the context of a large and vibrant native community. It's why i've dedicated my life to Indian Ed.
 
He's just ignorant and trying to paint with the right kind of brush to save some face.
It's not enough to just recognize that every nation is different. There are numerous factors which account for wide spread changes between diverse populations. A very great many native people do not live on reservations. And many of those were never born on one. It's 2018 and we've had hundreds of years of relocation and assimilation.
It's very possible to understand "native culture" broadly, but that's as far as it goes without treating people with the depth of complexity warranted by a very convoluted history of movement and dispersal.
My grandma, for example, was a big ol Choctaw/Apache lady. But she came from a time and place where being native was a deadly liability, so her kids were raised without any "native culture" at all. Even so, they still had a cross burned in their yard when my mom was a kid. I was fortunate enough to live in a place where it was possible to rediscover these things for my family, and in the context of a large and vibrant native community. It's why i've dedicated my life to Indian Ed.
So, let me get this straight. I'm a little confused right now.



Is Mark Hunt Choctaw? Or is he Apache?
 
He's just ignorant and trying to paint with the right kind of brush to save some face.
It's not enough to just recognize that every nation is different. There are numerous factors which account for wide spread changes between diverse populations. A very great many native people do not live on reservations. And many of those were never born on one. It's 2018 and we've had hundreds of years of relocation and assimilation.
It's very possible to understand "native culture" broadly, but that's as far as it goes without treating people with the depth of complexity warranted by a very convoluted history of movement and dispersal.
My grandma, for example, was a big ol Choctaw/Apache lady. But she came from a time and place where being native was a deadly liability, so her kids were raised without any "native culture" at all. Even so, they still had a cross burned in their yard when my mom was a kid. I was fortunate enough to live in a place where it was possible to rediscover these things for my family, and in the context of a large and vibrant native community. It's why i've dedicated my life to Indian Ed.
Oh yeah, I wasn’t doubting that at all. But thanks for the further clarification.

The aspect of having your very culture outlawed is also familiar to Hawaiians. A lot of these posters just think you should be happy for the infrastructure and forget all about the minor issue of the genocide.
 
He's just ignorant and trying to paint with the right kind of brush to save some face.
It's not enough to just recognize that every nation is different. There are numerous factors which account for wide spread changes between diverse populations. A very great many native people do not live on reservations. And many of those were never born on one. It's 2018 and we've had hundreds of years of relocation and assimilation.
It's very possible to understand "native culture" broadly, but that's as far as it goes without treating people with the depth of complexity warranted by a very convoluted history of movement and dispersal.
My grandma, for example, was a big ol Choctaw/Apache lady. But she came from a time and place where being native was a deadly liability, so her kids were raised without any "native culture" at all. Even so, they still had a cross burned in their yard when my mom was a kid. I was fortunate enough to live in a place where it was possible to rediscover these things for my family, and in the context of a large and vibrant native community. It's why i've dedicated my life to Indian Ed.

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Oh yeah, I wasn’t doubting that at all. But thanks for the further clarification.

The aspect of having your very culture outlawed is also familiar to Hawaiians. A lot of these posters just think you should just be happy for the infrastructure and forget all about the minor issue of the genocide.
What i've found fascinating as a historian, and what my research deals with, is (arguably) an additional layer of structured motivation beneath- or at least alongside- the more visible and better understood genocidal elements of colonialism. My work specifically looks at federal Indian Ed/boarding schools historically to explain how policy has shaped the present day. Not from a perspective of personal loss and horror, which is a very important part, but from an institutional goals and processes angle.
 
He's just ignorant and trying to paint with the right kind of brush to save some face.
It's not enough to just recognize that every nation is different. There are numerous factors which account for wide spread changes between diverse populations. A very great many native people do not live on reservations. And many of those were never born on one. It's 2018 and we've had hundreds of years of relocation and assimilation.
It's very possible to understand "native culture" broadly, but that's as far as it goes without treating people with the depth of complexity warranted by a very convoluted history of movement and dispersal.
My grandma, for example, was a big ol Choctaw/Apache lady. But she came from a time and place where being native was a deadly liability, so her kids were raised without any "native culture" at all. Even so, they still had a cross burned in their yard when my mom was a kid. I was fortunate enough to live in a place where it was possible to rediscover these things for my family, and in the context of a large and vibrant native community. It's why i've dedicated my life to Indian Ed.

No I already smacked you around yesterday and you had to move my posts into your echo chamber thread so your flunkies could like all your posts and pretend you're 'winning.'
 
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