WAR ROOM LOUNGE V12: Mao With Noir

[Gregolian]

@Trotsky

A hipster is that douchebag we all know that was like "I was a fan of *whatever* before it was popular"

Like, if some boutique cigar or whisky suddenly gets popular in the mainstream the hipster that liked it prior will claim to not like it and stop consuming it.

 

[Limbo Pete]

"There. Now you's can't leave."

 

[Limbo Pete]

Actually, it seems you are right. I checked the original article. The title is clickbait, like everything else these days. Good catch.

Oof.
I bet this post tasted like shit in your mouth lol.

 

[Jack V Savage]

To me a hipster is anti-pop culture. They're into a band that you've never even heard of, and foreign films you've never even heard of. And, of course, they can name 10 French films that are all better than The Godfather.

Your post reeked of hipster crap. "People who think a mediocre film is deeper than it really is because other people say so."

I mean, honestly man.

I think if everyone is honest, we'll all run against the consensus sometimes, not because we're all hipsters but because taste varies. I think that the Dark Knight was absolute crap, that the Thin Red Line was arguably even worse, and that Down With Love is an all-time great movie. It's not a general tendency, though. Most of my favorite movies are also considered great, and most movies that I think suck are widely regarded as sucking. But, yeah, your hipster definition is spot on.

 

[kpt018]

Shows have not gotten better than The Sopranos. It was top tier then, and it's top tier now. Other than a personal problem with the style, or subject matter, it would tough to criticize in any objective way. It's about as flawless as it gets.

I agree with you on the Sopranos, but it's true that shows overall have gotten better. Way more resources and top actors take major roles on shows whereas in the past TV actors were thought of as second rate and top movie actors wouldn't dream of doing TV (unless their careers crashed). Also, technology has allowed shows to prosper on smaller budgets.

Just look at the investments Netflix is putting into original content, which is primarily shows. Basically, I don't think it's fair to compare say the Sopranos to like Jessica Jones or some shit, but overall shows are better for sure.

 

[Gregolian]

Most crime shows I can't watch anymore cause of my job.

Law and Order frustrates me cause they do shit in it and I'm like "PRETTY sure lawyers CAN'T do that"

Other shows I see things and they just seem utterly ridiculous.

 

[HomerThompson]

I think that the Dark Knight was absolute crap

 

[kpt018]

To me a hipster is anti-pop culture. They're into a band that you've never even heard of, and foreign films you've never even heard of. And, of course, they can name 10 French films that are all better than The Godfather.

Your post reeked of hipster crap. "People who think a mediocre film is deeper than it really is because other people say so."

I mean, honestly man.

Exactly. Drink beer brands no one has heard of, wear expensive jean brands that are obscure but with a flannel shirt, big bear but with trimmed eye brows, all that shit.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Yes, and the primary personal story line is Tony's therapy resulting from his terrible relationship with his mother!

Yeah, too bad the actress who played his mom died while filming and they couldn't go through with the story line of her testifying against him.

I also like how the godfather is constantly reference as how Americans view the mafia contrast with the boring day to day stuff and headaches that the show portrays.

It's also funny that the biggest caricature of a mafia guy, Paulie Walnuts was the only one who was actually an associate of the mafia.

 

[Gregolian]

Exactly. Drink beer brands no one has heard of, wear expensive jean brands that are obscure but with a flannel shirt, big bear but with trimmed eye brows, all that shit.

Sailor tats like the swallows that they don't understand the meaning behind them and have never even been on a fucking boat.

 

[kpt018]

Yeah, too bad the actress who played his mom died while filming and they couldn't go through with the story line of her testifying against him.

I also like how the godfather is constantly reference as how Americans view the mafia contrast with the boring day to day stuff and headaches that the show portrays.

It's also funny that the biggest caricature of a mafia guy, Paulie Walnuts was the only one who was actually an associate of the mafia.

I remember hearing that real life wire taps picked up a conversation between real mobsters talking about the showing and wondering if it was about them! I'm not saying it's realistic, but if it could fool actual mob guys it must have some merit. I wonder if Paulie brought any real life experience to the show.

But yeah, that actresses death was crushing for the main plot.

 

[Trotsky]

Fucking auto. Should be Edie. She plays Carmella, Tony's wife. She's amazing in the show.

Also, it's cool that you don't like mob films, but hold off judgement if you've only watched 3 episodes!

Yeesh, I definitely don't see that yet.

Yeah, I'm not prejudging the show and I'll finish the season, but I was just relating the problems I've had with it to those I've had with movies with similar subject matter.

To me a hipster is anti-pop culture. They're into a band that you've never even heard of, and foreign films you've never even heard of. And, of course, they can name 10 French films that are all better than The Godfather.

Your post reeked of hipster crap. "People who think a mediocre film is deeper than it really is because other people say so."

I mean, honestly man.

Is saying The Godfather II and The Departed are overrated being "anti-pop culture"? As far as I'm concerned, that The Departed is a shitty movie is more an objective fact than an artistic opinion. Hell, one of my top ten favorite films is a damn Batman film. Doesn't really get more pop cultural than that.

People get weirdly defensive of movies.

 

[Trotsky]

Yeah, too bad the actress who played his mom died while filming and they couldn't go through with the story line of her testifying against him.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Is saying The Godfather II and The Departed are overrated being "anti-pop culture"? As far as I'm concerned, that The Departed is a shitty movie is more an objective fact than an artistic opinion. Hell, one of my top ten favorite films is a damn Batman film. Doesn't really get more pop cultural than that.

People get weirdly defensive of movies.

Yeah, like I was saying, having some unconventional opinions doesn't make you a hipster. It's if the unconventionality of an opinion is a reason for holding it, that's what makes you a hipster. At least in a negative sense.

 

[HomerThompson]

Yeesh, I definitely don't see that yet.

Yeah, I'm not prejudging the show and I'll finish the season, but I was just relating the problems I've had with it to those I've had with movies with similar subject matter.



Is saying The Godfather II and The Departed are overrated being "anti-pop culture"? As far as I'm concerned, that The Departed is a shitty movie is more an objective fact than an artistic opinion. Hell, one of my top ten favorite films is a damn Batman film. Doesn't really get more pop cultural than that.

People get weirdly defensive of movies.

I was specifically referencing your language choice, which I quoted.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I remember hearing that real life wire taps picked up a conversation between real mobsters talking about the showing and wondering if it was about them! I'm not saying it's realistic, but if it could fool actual mob guys it must have some merit. I wonder if Paulie brought any real life experience to the show.

But yeah, that actresses death was crushing for the main plot.

I heard about that as well, from what I've read, actual mobsters praise the realism of it.

I also agree that TV has gotten better overall since, The Sopranos help start that trend of getting bigger names to do roles and view TV as a legitimate medium of good story telling. However, I will also say mob show since the sopranos have not been nearly as good (boardwalk empire, sneaky Pete, sons of anarchy, peaky blinders, etc)

 

[HereticBD]

Without getting into an argument about the Sopranos specifically, shows in general have gotten better since that time, so the impact would be smaller, even if one grants that the Sopranos is still top tier. When you look at TV dramas that comprise the top tier IYO, how many preceded the Sopranos and how many followed it?

It's kind of irrelevant, no? What does the quality of The Sopranos have to do with what proceeded or followed it? If you are arguing that The Sopranos would not be considered as good today, due to the abundance of great television shows, I firmly disagree. There is not one aspect of The Sopranos that wouldn't be appreciated today, as it was in the 2000's. It holds up in every conceivable way.

Now, a show that received similar praise from around the same time, which I think has not aged as well, and that I think fits the argument you're trying to make, is OZ.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's kind of irrelevant, no? What does the quality of The Sopranos have to do with what proceeded or followed it?

The impact of it is going to be bigger if you hadn't seen similar-quality shows before.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Shit, sorry man -- I thought you pulled the chute and gave up completely on it.

 

[Trotsky]

Yeah, like I was saying, having some unconventional opinions doesn't make you a hipster. It's if the unconventionality of an opinion is a reason for holding it, that's what makes you a hipster. At least in a negative sense.

So does your dislike of TDK make you a hipster or just a stupid asshole?

Shit, sorry man -- I thought you pulled the chute and gave up completely on it.

lol don't worry about it. Spoilers aren't a big deal to me.